***NON-POLITICAL COVID-19 Discussion Thread***

[JakeF]

A couple of reminders...

Originally Posted by Bwana

Once again, don't come in this thread with some kind of political agenda, or you will be shown the door. If you want to go that route, there is a thread about this in DC.

Originally Posted by Dartgod

People, there is a lot of good information in this thread, let's try to keep the petty bickering to a minimum.

We all have varying opinions about the impact of this, the numbers, etc. We will all never agree with each other. But we can all keep it civil.

Thanks!

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Spoiler!

Apparently the CoronaVirus can survive on a inanimate objects, such as door knobs, for 9 days.

California coronavirus case could be first spread within U.S. community, CDC says
By SOUMYA KARLAMANGLA, JACLYN COSGROVE
FEB. 26, 2020 8:04 PM

The Centers for Disease Control and Prevention is investigating what could be the first case of novel coronavirus in the United States involving a patient in California who neither recently traveled out of the country nor was in contact with someone who did.

“At this time, the patient’s exposure is unknown. It’s possible this could be an instance of community spread of COVID-19, which would be the first time this has happened in the United States,” the CDC said in a statement. “Community spread means spread of an illness for which the source of infection is unknown. It’s also possible, however, that the patient may have been exposed to a returned traveler who was infected.”

The individual is a resident of Solano County and is receiving medical care in Sacramento County, according to the state Department of Public Health.

The CDC said the “case was detected through the U.S. public health system — picked up by astute clinicians.”

Officials at UC Davis Medical Center expanded on what the federal agency might have meant by that in an email sent Wednesday, as reported by the Davis Enterprise newspaper.

The patient arrived at UC Davis Medical Center from another hospital Feb. 19 and “had already been intubated, was on a ventilator, and given droplet protection orders because of an undiagnosed and suspected viral condition,” according to an email sent by UC Davis officials that was obtained by the Davis Enterprise.

The staff at UC Davis requested COVID-19 testing by the CDC, but because the patient didn’t fit the CDC’s existing criteria for the virus, a test wasn’t immediately administered, according to the email. The CDC then ordered the test Sunday, and results were announced Wednesday. Hospital administrators reportedly said in the email that despite these issues, there has been minimal exposure at the hospital because of safety protocols they have in place.

A UC Davis Health spokesperson declined Wednesday evening to share the email with The Times.

Since Feb. 2, more than 8,400 returning travelers from China have entered California, according to the state health department. They have been advised to self-quarantine for 14 days and limit interactions with others as much as possible, officials said.

“This is a new virus, and while we are still learning about it, there is a lot we already know,” Dr. Sonia Angell, director of the California Department of Public Health, said in a statement. “We have been anticipating the potential for such a case in the U.S., and given our close familial, social and business relationships with China, it is not unexpected that the first case in the U.S. would be in California.”

It is not clear how the person became infected, but public health workers could not identify any contacts with people who had traveled to China or other areas where the virus is widespread. That raises concern that the virus is spreading in the United States, creating a challenge for public health officials, experts say.

“It’s the first signal that we could be having silent transmission in the community,” said Lawrence Gostin, director of the World Health Organization Collaborating Center on National and Global Health Law. “It probably means there are many more cases out there, and it probably means this individual has infected others, and now it’s a race to try to find out who that person has infected.”

On Tuesday, the CDC offered its most serious warning to date that the United States should expect and prepare for the coronavirus to become a more widespread health issue.

“Ultimately, we expect we will see coronavirus spread in this country,” said Nancy Messonnier, director of the CDC’s National Center for Immunization and Respiratory Diseases. “It’s not so much a question of if, but a question of when.”

According to the CDC’s latest count Wednesday morning, 59 U.S. residents have tested positive for the new strain of coronavirus — 42 of whom are repatriated citizens from a Diamond Princess cruise. That number has grown by two since Messonnier’s last count Tuesday, although the CDC was not immediately available to offer details on the additional cases.

More than 82,000 cases of coronavirus have been reported globally, and more than 2,700 people have died, with the majority in mainland China, the epicenter of the outbreak.

But public health leaders have repeatedly reminded residents that the health risk from the novel coronavirus to the general public remains low.

“While COVID-19 has a high transmission rate, it has a low mortality rate,” the state Department of Public Health said in a statement Wednesday. “From the international data we have, of those who have tested positive for COVID-19, approximately 80% do not exhibit symptoms that would require hospitalization. There have been no confirmed deaths related to COVID-19 in the United States to date.”

CDC officials have also warned that although the virus is likely to spread in U.S. communities, the flu still poses a greater risk.

Gostin said the news of potential silent transmission does not eliminate the possibility of containing the virus in the U.S. and preventing an outbreak.

“There are few enough cases that we should at least try,” he said. “Most of us are not optimistic that that will be successful, but we’re still in the position to try.”

[Mecca]

Ok I shall remember, calling people stupid because they think the virus cares about their politics is political.

[Marcellus]

Originally Posted by Baby Lee

That, and he's one of the vocal ones about the 'dick-sucking political posting assholes,' and all the impotent hate and disdain he holds for them.

But yeah, everyone else are the emotional ones.

Mecca has a long history of climbing way up on his horse to look down his nose at everyone else for being "the way they are" compared to him. Nobody and I mean nobody who talks politics can measure up to his WWE knowledge or gaming prowess.

[Donger]

So....

A slight reduction in new cases yesterday (29,567 from 30,342) and deaths (2,174 from 2,618)

[Marcellus]

Originally Posted by Mecca

Ok I shall remember, calling people stupid because they think the virus cares about their politics is political.

What part of ***Non-Political*** confuses you?

[Mecca]

Originally Posted by Marcellus

Mecca has a long history of climbing way up on his horse to look down his nose at everyone else for being "the way they are" compared to him. Nobody and I mean nobody who talks politics can measure up to his WWE knowledge or gaming prowess.

A for effort.

[PAChiefsGuy]

Originally Posted by Baby Lee

You're doing a little more than that. Every post you've made on this carries a subtext that extending the concept of 'essential' to fit the actual current situation is some kind of failing.

Maybe you don't intend to. Maybe you honestly don't see it, but you come across a lot more 'serious' and critical than your protestations here merit.

Mean, you complained about the evolution of the term, . . . then broke out the 'it's a ***king joke' followed by a dictionary reference to make your point.

Whatever you say man.

Have a good day. Have fun doing your essential errands today.

[DaFace]

Originally Posted by Marcellus

What part of ***Non-Political*** confuses you?

I personally don't think that saying "People who spend their lives obsessed with politics" is political.

I'm still tempted to try my thread idea. It'd be a pain to enforce, but it could be done manually...

[Mecca]

Originally Posted by PAChiefsGuy

Whatever you say man.

Have a good day. Have fun doing your essential errands today.

Do you mean jerking off?

[FloridaMan88]

Originally Posted by BigRedChief

I've been walking around my neighborhood since March. I live by the beaches. Never went to the beaches to exercise. Exercise at the beach is not essential. This isnt about us locals. You, me and everyone else knows what this is about, tourism $'s. There are legitimate financial reasons to open the beaches. Lets not pretend its for locals to exercise.

Even if they are not "essential", they fall into a category of places where relatively easy best practices can be implemented to maintain social distancing and should therefore be re-opened.

[Merde Furieux]

Originally Posted by Donger

Do you think the mitigation efforts that have been put into place, and the vast majority are following, should not have been put into place?

Do you have any evidence that they worked?

California Gov. Gavin Newsom, for example, has been credited for issuing his stay-at-home order relatively early, on March 19, when his state had 1,000 cases and 19 deaths. Cuomo followed suit the next day, but by that time New York had 4,000 cases and 30 deaths.

1 month later, April 19...

California reports 973 dead

https://www.latimes.com/projects/cal...king-outbreak/

NY, according to Cuomo, reports 10,000 dead.


Those numbers don't make any sense. Did "mitigation" work in California but not in NY?

Does it really make sense to continue "mitigation" when it can't be determined that it is actually doing anything beneficial when it can be determined that it is doing severe economic damage? Why all the hatred towards the people in Michigan who want to go back to work? Keeping them home isn't going to keep any one alive in NY. This whole thing just doesn't make any sense.

[Baby Lee]

Originally Posted by Mecca

Ok I shall remember, calling people stupid because they think the virus cares about their politics is political.

See, just like others on the matter of 'essential' you're trying to simultaneously be a stickler for the letter while flaunting the spirit.

People want politics out of the lounge, particularly this thread, ostensibly because it foments argument, derision and confrontation at the expense of the sharing of information.

And you are one of the most vocal in criticizing the course of political conversations, again ostensibly for those reasons. But you also seek to foment argument, derision and confrontation, with the slender reed of justifiability that your specific content you are being argumentative, derisive and confrontational about MMMMMMMMAYYYYYBEE doesn't quite qualify as purely political content.

[Donger]

Originally Posted by Merde Furieux

Do you have any evidence that they worked?

California Gov. Gavin Newsom, for example, has been credited for issuing his stay-at-home order relatively early, on March 19, when his state had 1,000 cases and 19 deaths. Cuomo followed suit the next day, but by that time New York had 4,000 cases and 30 deaths.

1 month later, April 19...

California reports 973 dead

https://www.latimes.com/projects/cal...king-outbreak/

NY, according to Cuomo, reports 10,000 dead.


Those numbers don't make any sense. Did "mitigation" work in California but not in NY?

Does it really make sense to continue "mitigation" when it can't be determined that it is actually doing anything beneficial when it can be determined that it is doing severe economic damage? Why all the hatred towards the people in Michigan who want to go back to work? Keeping them home isn't going to keep any one alive in NY. This whole thing just doesn't make any sense.

Yes, you just provided the evidence that it works. It's just common sense. This bug is passed by human contact. By having humans not being in contact and reducing proximity, you will mitigate the propagation.

[Mecca]

Originally Posted by Baby Lee

See, just like others on the matter of 'essential' you're trying to simultaneously be a stickler for the letter while flaunting the spirit.

People want politics out of the lounge, particularly this thread, ostensibly because it foments argument, derision and confrontation at the expense of the sharing of information.

And you are one of the most vocal in criticizing the course of political conversations, again ostensibly for those reasons. But you also seek to foment argument, derision and confrontation, with the slender reed of justifiability that your specific content you are being argumentative, derisive and confrontational about MMMMMMMMAYYYYYBEE doesn't quite qualify as purely political content.

Personally I thought I was one of the most vocal is taking some jabs and posting some funny shit.

[Graystoke]

Shit getting real in Iowa. Meat packing plants are getting outbreaks.
I knew from the onset these would be our hotspots.

[Loneiguana]

Originally Posted by Graystoke

Shit getting real in Iowa. Meat packing plants are getting outbreaks.
I knew from the onset these would be our hotspots.

If you havent yet, well, probably too late to start stockpiling a deep freeze worth of meat.