Chiefs Falcons after Gonzalez - Page 15

The Poz · 04-12-2009, 10:29 AM

Sorry if re-post, didn't see it anywhere.
http://www.rotoworld.com/content/pla...rt=NFL&id=1331

The Falcons are reportedly interested in trading for Chiefs TE Tony Gonzalez.
The National Football Post's Michael Lombardi says the Falcons are "seriously considering" the option, with their second-round pick as bait. Chiefs chairman Clark Hunt is attached to his franchise icon, but he might be convinced to part ways as the team rebuilds.

Atlanta has the 55th pick in the second. Maybe Jarron Gilbert or Paul Kruger although I'd rather see Tony stick it out here.

Mecca · 04-12-2009, 07:09 PM

We're talking about a coach and GM that are from teams that don't use the TE as a receiver at all...Ben Watson is talented but he doesn't catch alot of passes by any means.

Hell Cassel just spent a season rarely even looking at a TE.

**DeezNutz** · 04-12-2009, 07:10 PM

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Originally Posted by OnTheWarpath58

That's the thing, you really don't NEED to replace him, as Haley doesn't utilize the TE as a weapon in his offense.

Most teams don't - people here just think that the offense should run through the TE, because it has for the last 10 years.

Absolutely. Agree completely.

tk13 · 04-12-2009, 07:10 PM

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Originally Posted by OnTheWarpath58

That's the thing, you really don't NEED to replace him, as Haley doesn't utilize the TE as a weapon in his offense.

Most teams don't - people here just think that the offense should run through the TE, because it has for the last 10 years.

I don't buy that either. People said the exact same thing when Al Saunders stepped in here. If the Patriots or Cardinals had a weapon like Tony Gonzalez, they absolutely would've used him. Just like the Cowboys use Witten as a main offensive weapon.

Mecca · 04-12-2009, 07:12 PM

Well the Chiefs with Saunders basically never got remotely talented WR's, that's their fault. They ran the passing game through Gonzalez without much of a choice..

And the Cowboys passing game running through Witten was a bit dumb when you realize what else is on that team.

**DeezNutz** · 04-12-2009, 07:12 PM

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Originally Posted by tk13

I don't buy that either. People said the exact same thing when Al Saunders stepped in here. If the Patriots or Cardinals had a weapon like Tony Gonzalez, they absolutely would've used him. Just like the Cowboys use Witten as a main offensive weapon.

Well who wouldn't if you had someone that talented on your roster? But it's definitely not a necessity.

Mecca · 04-12-2009, 07:13 PM

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Originally Posted by DeezNutz

Well who wouldn't if you had someone that talented on your roster? But it's definitely not a necessity.

You'll never be able to win without a top TE, FB and guard man.

Hootie · 04-12-2009, 07:13 PM

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Originally Posted by DeezNutz

Well who wouldn't if you had someone that talented on your roster? But it's definitely not a necessity.

Neither is having Adrian Peterson...but it sure as hell helps.

**DeezNutz** · 04-12-2009, 07:13 PM

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Originally Posted by Mecca

You'll never be able to win without a top TE, FB and guard man.

There are no amount of Pro-Bowls a QB could make to equal the value of a Tony G.

**pr_capone** · 04-12-2009, 07:13 PM

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Originally Posted by wild1

I don't get this... Cassel probably has more than one year left in the tank.

No other team in the league has a Tony Gonzalez. They all groom young QBs anyway. We've got Bowe, we brought in Engram, we spent a first day pick on a (supposed)pass-catching tight end last year. And there are plenty of WRs and TEs in the draft.

If we can get a 2nd for Tony... bye bye. A 2nd rd pick for a guy who is going to play another year or two TOPS... for me its a no brainer.

I have a hard on for Cottam and think we has the tools to be the kind of player that can change a game like Tony did for us.

6'8 271... AND can catch AND a 4.6 40?!?!?! Yeesh. He learns how to use that big body to block as well and we are set for the next decade.

**DeezNutz** · 04-12-2009, 07:14 PM

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Originally Posted by Hootie

Neither is having Adrian Peterson...but it sure as hell helps.

**** yes. Great players are always nice to have.

Hootie · 04-12-2009, 07:14 PM

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Originally Posted by Mecca

You'll never be able to win without a top TE, FB and guard man.

You'll never be able to win without Mark Sanchez man.

Mecca · 04-12-2009, 07:14 PM

When a guy is 34 years old if you get offered a 2 you should probably move him...the only way you shouldn't is if you are at that exact moment a superbowl team and he is a key player.

Mecca · 04-12-2009, 07:14 PM

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Originally Posted by Hootie

You'll never be able to win without Mark Sanchez man.

Atleast he plays a core position.

Cormac · 04-12-2009, 07:15 PM

I can't believe all this "Tony is a whiny ass bitch" stuff.

Who cares if he demands excellence?!?! If that makes him a whiny ass bitch, then we're all whiny ass bitches on this board. Do you people long for the "we're OK with losing" attitudes of Eric Hicks???

The difference between TG and most other players is that he has earned the right to complain, and even to ask for a trade if he sees fit. The important thing is that when he doesn't get traded, what does he do? He laces up the next week and PLAYS HIS ASS OFF every play. That's the kind of guy I want on my team. A 2nd round pick might be good value to the drafturbators, but I'd rather keep him.

What will a 2nd round pick do? We have a new QB and a new scheme coming in. TG could be invaluable in getting this thing up and running the right way. We have a lot of picks, and we have lots of youth already. Herm's biggest mistake (after choosing football coach as a career) was to jettison virtually all vets and leave the team rudderless. Pioli seems to be addressing that.

Hootie · 04-12-2009, 07:15 PM

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Originally Posted by pr_capone

I have a hard on for Cottam and think we has the tools to be the kind of player that can change a game like Tony did for us.

6'8 271... AND can catch AND a 4.6 40?!?!?! Yeesh. He learns how to use that big body to block as well and we are set for the next decade.

Agreed BUT he's made of glass.

a 2nd and a player (of some value) and fine...but like I said, while a 2nd is a strong offer...it doesn't exactly blow me away...and Tony Gonzalez has value in the fact that we're trying to develop a young QB...whether it be Cassel, Thigpen or even Sanchez...

04-12-2009, 10:29 AM
The Poz Enjoyer of things Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: Toronto Casino cash: $10012210	Falcons after Gonzalez Sorry if re-post, didn't see it anywhere. http://www.rotoworld.com/content/pla...rt=NFL&id=1331 The Falcons are reportedly interested in trading for Chiefs TE Tony Gonzalez. The National Football Post's Michael Lombardi says the Falcons are "seriously considering" the option, with their second-round pick as bait. Chiefs chairman Clark Hunt is attached to his franchise icon, but he might be convinced to part ways as the team rebuilds. Atlanta has the 55th pick in the second. Maybe Jarron Gilbert or Paul Kruger although I'd rather see Tony stick it out here.
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Mecca Hockey Town Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Kansas City, Missouri Casino cash: $-572950	We're talking about a coach and GM that are from teams that don't use the TE as a receiver at all...Ben Watson is talented but he doesn't catch alot of passes by any means. Hell Cassel just spent a season rarely even looking at a TE.
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04-12-2009, 07:12 PM	#214
Mecca Hockey Town Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Kansas City, Missouri Casino cash: $-572950	Well the Chiefs with Saunders basically never got remotely talented WR's, that's their fault. They ran the passing game through Gonzalez without much of a choice.. And the Cowboys passing game running through Witten was a bit dumb when you realize what else is on that team.
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04-12-2009, 07:14 PM	#222
Mecca Hockey Town Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Kansas City, Missouri Casino cash: $-572950	When a guy is 34 years old if you get offered a 2 you should probably move him...the only way you shouldn't is if you are at that exact moment a superbowl team and he is a key player.
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04-12-2009, 07:15 PM	#224
Cormac Haley sceptic.... Join Date: Aug 2000 Location: waiting it out....... Casino cash: $10004900	I can't believe all this "Tony is a whiny ass bitch" stuff. Who cares if he demands excellence?!?! If that makes him a whiny ass bitch, then we're all whiny ass bitches on this board. Do you people long for the "we're OK with losing" attitudes of Eric Hicks??? The difference between TG and most other players is that he has earned the right to complain, and even to ask for a trade if he sees fit. The important thing is that when he doesn't get traded, what does he do? He laces up the next week and PLAYS HIS ASS OFF every play. That's the kind of guy I want on my team. A 2nd round pick might be good value to the drafturbators, but I'd rather keep him. What will a 2nd round pick do? We have a new QB and a new scheme coming in. TG could be invaluable in getting this thing up and running the right way. We have a lot of picks, and we have lots of youth already. Herm's biggest mistake (after choosing football coach as a career) was to jettison virtually all vets and leave the team rudderless. Pioli seems to be addressing that.
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