Chiefs This is why we didn't focus on the front 7... - Page 16

Hootie · 04-26-2010, 03:57 PM

I said this during last year...and was always hit by a Hamas stat about how bad our rush defense was...

I always thought our biggest problem was our pass defense and our inability to get off the field on 3rd and long. I always cheered for the opposition to waste a 2nd down on a run play...because we were better in 3rd and 3 than we were in 3rd and 10 defensively...

Teams knew this too...our rush defense got a bad wrap because we were consistently losing by 2+ scores in the 4th quarter and teams like the Giants...who gashed us with the pass all game long...used their final possessions to bad their rushing stats...and the Ravens...and even the Cowboys game 1/4th of their rushing yards came on one long run (kind of like the Skins game when we shut down Portis minus one long run as well)...

The formula for beating us last year? A good passing game...and we made even marginal passing games look AMAZING. Just check this out:

Flacco 300+ yards (96 rating)

Oakland beat us averaging 2.7 YPC in week 2

Kolb 300 + yards (120 rating)

E. Manning 292 yards (104 rating)

Romo 350 yards (113 rating)

Rivers 270 yards (123 rating)

Garrard 270 yards (111 rating)

Rivers 300+ yards (136 rating)

Orton 180 yards (92 rating) 245 rush yards allowed

Edwards (66 rating) 200 rush yards allowed

Quinn (28 rating) 350 rush yards allowed

Palmer (92 rating) Benson 4.6 YPC

...

Anyone see the trend here? It's nice that guys like OTWP like to conveniently ignore what we were REALLY bad at last year.

**OnTheWarpath15** · 04-26-2010, 07:44 PM

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Originally Posted by DeezNutz

Run defense is where you're trying to tackle the guy rushing the football. Pass defense is where you're trying to defend the pass.

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Originally Posted by OnTheWarpath58

See, the goal in RUN defense is that you attempt to stop the player who was handed or snapped the ball and is running.

The goal is PASS defense is to keep the opposition from completing forward passes, or at the least, limiting the yardage on said passes.

But please, blame Mike Brown for our shitty run defense.

Jesus ****.

I swear, Hootie is like David Koresh. There are some dumb mother****ers that would follow him anywhere, and agree with anything he says.

Ah, **** you Deez. I had to take a phone call.

warpaint* · 04-26-2010, 07:46 PM

Watching the games my eyeballs told me the front 7 was the biggest culprit. It was slow, unathletic, failed to pressure the qb, and was consistently gashed in the running game. But in case my eye balls were lying to me I looked a few things up,

At 4.7 yards per carry we were tied for 2nd to last in the NFL in terms of rush defense. We were also second to last in terms of sacks. We were 22nd in the league in terms of total pass defense and 26th in passing yards per. All of these results are obviously bad, the rush defense being worse than the pass defense, which to be fair you'd expect to some extent on a last place team with opponents running the ball late to finish games ahead. The sacks are most damning to the front 7 if you really want to compare it with the back 4 and assign blame one way or the other. So, the front 7 is negatively affecting the rush defense and the pass defense. The best secondary in football is going to break down if you can't get any pressure on the QB. And that's not even speaking with regard to pass defense responsibilities in terms of the front 7.

http://www.nfl.com/stats/categorysta...P&d-447263-p=1

http://www.nfl.com/stats/categorysta...P&d-447263-p=1

http://www.nfl.com/stats/categorysta...true&Submit=Go

http://www.nfl.com/stats/categorysta...P&d-447263-p=1

**OnTheWarpath15** · 04-26-2010, 07:47 PM

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Originally Posted by warpaint*

Watching the games my eyeballs told me the front 7 was the biggest culprit. It was slow, unathletic, failed to pressure the qb, and was consistently gashed in the running game. But in case my eye balls were lying to me I looked a few things up,

At 4.7 yards per carry we were tied for 2nd to last in the NFL in terms of rush defense. We were also second to last in terms of sacks. We were 22nd in the league in terms of total pass defense and 26th in passing yards per. All of these results are obviously bad, the rush defense being worse than the pass defense, which to be fair you'd expect to some extent on a last place team with opponents running the ball late to finish games ahead. The sacks are most damning to the front 7 if you really want to compare it with the back 4 and assign blame one way or the other. So, the front 7 is negatively affecting the rush defense and the pass defense. The best secondary in football is going to break down if you can't get any pressure on the QB. And that's not even speaking with regard to pass defense responsibilities in terms of the front 7.

http://www.nfl.com/stats/categorysta...P&d-447263-p=1

http://www.nfl.com/stats/categorysta...P&d-447263-p=1

http://www.nfl.com/stats/categorysta...true&Submit=Go

http://www.nfl.com/stats/categorysta...P&d-447263-p=1

That myth in bold was debunked 30 some-odd posts into the thread.

Hootie · 04-26-2010, 07:49 PM

yeah...he debunked it with referencing the Giants game...where our pass defense made Eli look like Peyton.

**Mr. Flopnuts** · 04-26-2010, 07:50 PM

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Originally Posted by The Meat Dragon

yeah...he debunked it with referencing the Giants game...where our pass defense made Eli look like Peyton.

Eli > Peyton

**petegz28** · 04-26-2010, 07:53 PM

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Originally Posted by Mr. Flopnuts

Eli > Peyton

That was a joke, right?

**OnTheWarpath15** · 04-26-2010, 07:54 PM

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Originally Posted by The Meat Dragon

yeah...he debunked it with referencing the Giants game...where our pass defense made Eli look like Peyton.

Actually, I used every game. And the numbers don't lie.

I specifically mentioned the Giants due to your claim that:

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Originally Posted by you

teams like the Giants...who gashed us with the pass all game long...used their final possessions to pad their rushing stats

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Originally Posted by me

And the Giants, which he claims "gashed us with the pass all game long...used their final possessions to pad their rushing stats" happened to rack up 108 of their 156 rushing yards in the first half of the game.

Reading is fundamental.

boogblaster · 04-26-2010, 08:00 PM

If fact our D isn't worth a shit at anything ...

Hog's Gone Fishin · 04-26-2010, 08:05 PM

I think we should do away with our defense because it will never survive and just have two offenses.

**Mr. Flopnuts** · 04-26-2010, 08:11 PM

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Originally Posted by Mr. Flopnuts

Eli > Peyton

Oh well. I tried to get this pic queued up. No real bites.

warpaint* · 04-26-2010, 08:26 PM

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Originally Posted by OnTheWarpath58

That myth in bold was debunked 30 some-odd posts into the thread.

I didn't read the entire thread, nor am I going to - the premise is flawed imo and I already outlined why.

In general though the statement you bolded holds true. Bad teams are usually trailing in the 3rd and 4th quarters of games and are usually getting run on more in those situations. I wasn't trying to use it to defend the original premise of the thread and I thought my post was pretty clear in that I am in agreeance w/ you so I'm not sure why we would need to debate that particular point one way or the other.

**OnTheWarpath15** · 04-26-2010, 08:41 PM

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Originally Posted by warpaint*

I didn't read the entire thread, nor am I going to - the premise is flawed imo and I already outlined why.

In general though the statement you bolded holds true. Bad teams are usually trailing in the 3rd and 4th quarters of games and are usually getting run on more in those situations. I wasn't trying to use it to defend the original premise of the thread and I thought my post was pretty clear in that I am in agreeance w/ you so I'm not sure why we would need to debate that particular point one way or the other.

Because your post wasn't clear.

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All of these results are obviously bad, the rush defense being worse than the pass defense, which to be fair you'd expect to some extent on a last place team with opponents running the ball late to finish games ahead.

Reads like you are specifically talking about KC to me, not making a generalization.

No harm, no foul.

'Hamas' Jenkins · 04-26-2010, 10:12 PM

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Originally Posted by The Meat Dragon

dude...you have little man's syndrome if I've ever seen it...

everything is about owning this, or owning that...or starting a poll to see if people need me on this site...or if they don't need me...

dude...

get a grip

get some real life friends or something...

See...unlike you and Mecca and Hamas Jenkins...I don't ****ing care if you think you "owned" me on this website...

I will continue to form my own opinions about the one pro franchise I truly care about...and I could give two shits whether or not you and Hamas Jenkins agree with me.

I loved our draft...I could careless we didn't take Kindle or Cody...I feel good about being a Chiefs fan right now...

so you three have fun jerking each other off and crying about how it's not fair Clark just Scott over you three...a school teacher/a man suffering from little guy syndrome/and a 30 year old fatass who has never had a job and lives with his parents...

excuse me for not envying any of you

Who cares about whom?

You literally cannot go five posts without mentioning me. It doesn't seem as though any of us are the problem, but rather the person that feels the need to constantly bait others, or mention them, because he's obsessed with talking about them.

I'm starting to wonder if I'm going to log in some day and find the electronic equivalent of a rabbit boiling on my stove.

You are one sick ****.

Hammock Parties · 04-26-2010, 10:15 PM

So, will this ever end?

When Pioli fails, will the drafturbators be crowned king and Hootie cast down into the gorge of eternal peril?

Or, when Pioli wins the Lombardi, will Hootie be raised on high as the prophet who spoke the doom o the horsemen years in advance?

Or do we just go through this again with the next GM?

04-26-2010, 03:57 PM
Hootie Banned Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Dallas, Texas Casino cash: $10004900	This is why we didn't focus on the front 7... I said this during last year...and was always hit by a Hamas stat about how bad our rush defense was... I always thought our biggest problem was our pass defense and our inability to get off the field on 3rd and long. I always cheered for the opposition to waste a 2nd down on a run play...because we were better in 3rd and 3 than we were in 3rd and 10 defensively... Teams knew this too...our rush defense got a bad wrap because we were consistently losing by 2+ scores in the 4th quarter and teams like the Giants...who gashed us with the pass all game long...used their final possessions to bad their rushing stats...and the Ravens...and even the Cowboys game 1/4th of their rushing yards came on one long run (kind of like the Skins game when we shut down Portis minus one long run as well)... The formula for beating us last year? A good passing game...and we made even marginal passing games look AMAZING. Just check this out: Flacco 300+ yards (96 rating) Oakland beat us averaging 2.7 YPC in week 2 Kolb 300 + yards (120 rating) E. Manning 292 yards (104 rating) Romo 350 yards (113 rating) Rivers 270 yards (123 rating) Garrard 270 yards (111 rating) Rivers 300+ yards (136 rating) Orton 180 yards (92 rating) 245 rush yards allowed Edwards (66 rating) 200 rush yards allowed Quinn (28 rating) 350 rush yards allowed Palmer (92 rating) Benson 4.6 YPC ... Anyone see the trend here? It's nice that guys like OTWP like to conveniently ignore what we were REALLY bad at last year.
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04-26-2010, 07:46 PM	#227
warpaint* Facts are stubborn things. Join Date: Dec 2008 Casino cash: $6924900	Watching the games my eyeballs told me the front 7 was the biggest culprit. It was slow, unathletic, failed to pressure the qb, and was consistently gashed in the running game. But in case my eye balls were lying to me I looked a few things up, At 4.7 yards per carry we were tied for 2nd to last in the NFL in terms of rush defense. We were also second to last in terms of sacks. We were 22nd in the league in terms of total pass defense and 26th in passing yards per. All of these results are obviously bad, the rush defense being worse than the pass defense, which to be fair you'd expect to some extent on a last place team with opponents running the ball late to finish games ahead. The sacks are most damning to the front 7 if you really want to compare it with the back 4 and assign blame one way or the other. So, the front 7 is negatively affecting the rush defense and the pass defense. The best secondary in football is going to break down if you can't get any pressure on the QB. And that's not even speaking with regard to pass defense responsibilities in terms of the front 7. http://www.nfl.com/stats/categorysta...P&d-447263-p=1 http://www.nfl.com/stats/categorysta...P&d-447263-p=1 http://www.nfl.com/stats/categorysta...true&Submit=Go http://www.nfl.com/stats/categorysta...P&d-447263-p=1
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04-26-2010, 07:49 PM	#229
Hootie Banned Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Dallas, Texas Casino cash: $10004900	yeah...he debunked it with referencing the Giants game...where our pass defense made Eli look like Peyton.
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04-26-2010, 08:00 PM	#233
boogblaster MVP Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: Verdigris Valley Campsite Casino cash: $10004900	If fact our D isn't worth a shit at anything ... __________________ WR or S please
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04-26-2010, 08:05 PM	#234
Hog's Gone Fishin Fish are scared of me Join Date: Nov 2001 Casino cash: $1230477	I think we should do away with our defense because it will never survive and just have two offenses.
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04-26-2010, 10:15 PM	#239
Hammock Parties I'll be back. Join Date: Nov 2002 Casino cash: $4220478	So, will this ever end? When Pioli fails, will the drafturbators be crowned king and Hootie cast down into the gorge of eternal peril? Or, when Pioli wins the Lombardi, will Hootie be raised on high as the prophet who spoke the doom o the horsemen years in advance? Or do we just go through this again with the next GM? __________________ Chiefs game films
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