Chiefs This is why we didn't focus on the front 7...

Hootie · 04-26-2010, 03:57 PM

I said this during last year...and was always hit by a Hamas stat about how bad our rush defense was...

I always thought our biggest problem was our pass defense and our inability to get off the field on 3rd and long. I always cheered for the opposition to waste a 2nd down on a run play...because we were better in 3rd and 3 than we were in 3rd and 10 defensively...

Teams knew this too...our rush defense got a bad wrap because we were consistently losing by 2+ scores in the 4th quarter and teams like the Giants...who gashed us with the pass all game long...used their final possessions to bad their rushing stats...and the Ravens...and even the Cowboys game 1/4th of their rushing yards came on one long run (kind of like the Skins game when we shut down Portis minus one long run as well)...

The formula for beating us last year? A good passing game...and we made even marginal passing games look AMAZING. Just check this out:

Flacco 300+ yards (96 rating)

Oakland beat us averaging 2.7 YPC in week 2

Kolb 300 + yards (120 rating)

E. Manning 292 yards (104 rating)

Romo 350 yards (113 rating)

Rivers 270 yards (123 rating)

Garrard 270 yards (111 rating)

Rivers 300+ yards (136 rating)

Orton 180 yards (92 rating) 245 rush yards allowed

Edwards (66 rating) 200 rush yards allowed

Quinn (28 rating) 350 rush yards allowed

Palmer (92 rating) Benson 4.6 YPC

...

Anyone see the trend here? It's nice that guys like OTWP like to conveniently ignore what we were REALLY bad at last year.

DJ's left nut · 04-26-2010, 04:02 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by The Meat Dragon

I said this during last year...and was always hit by a Hamas stat about how bad our rush defense was...

I always thought our biggest problem was our pass defense and our inability to get off the field on 3rd and long. I always cheered for the opposition to waste a 2nd down on a run play...because we were better in 3rd and 3 than we were in 3rd and 10 defensively...

Teams knew this too...our rush defense got a bad wrap because we were consistently losing by 2+ scores in the 4th quarter and teams like the Giants...who gashed us with the pass all game long...used their final possessions to bad their rushing stats...and the Ravens...and even the Cowboys game 1/4th of their rushing yards came on one long run (kind of like the Skins game when we shut down Portis minus one long run as well)...

The formula for beating us last year? A good passing game...and we made even marginal passing games look AMAZING. Just check this out:

Flacco 300+ yards (96 rating)

Oakland beat us averaging 2.7 YPC in week 2

Kolb 300 + yards (120 rating)

E. Manning 292 yards (104 rating)

Romo 350 yards (113 rating)

Rivers 270 yards (123 rating)

Garrard 270 yards (111 rating)

Rivers 300+ yards (136 rating)

Orton 180 yards (92 rating) 245 rush yards allowed

Edwards (66 rating) 200 rush yards allowed

Quinn (28 rating) 350 rush yards allowed

Palmer (92 rating) Benson 4.6 YPC

...

Anyone see the trend here? It's nice that guys like OTWP like to conveniently ignore what we were REALLY bad at last year.

You know that we were REALLY bad at pretty much every single facet of playing defense last year, right?

Pass defense, rush defense, putting our cleats on the right foot. Mostly, our defense couldn't do a single thing well.

And we used the 36th overall on a scat-back and the 50th on a kick returner/corner blitzer.

We still have no LBs. We still have no SS. We still have a garbage set of down-linemen.

We will continue to suck at stopping the pass because we can't get any heat on the QB and even when we do, our LBs are all so slow and so awful that the middle of the field will be open to anyone that wants it. We will also continue to suck at stopping the run because of aforementioned old/slow/weak LBs and garbage down-linemen.

No, nobody's overlooking what we "really struggled" at. We "really struggled" at damn near everything. So we went out and put shiny new rims and a chrome rearview mirror on our '76 Fiat.

****ing. Awesome.

**OnTheWarpath15** · 04-26-2010, 04:03 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DJ's left nut

You know that we were REALLY bad at pretty much every single facet of playing defense last year, right?

Pass defense, rush defense, putting our cleats on the right foot. Mostly, our defense couldn't do a single thing well.

And we used the 36th overall on a scat-back and the 50th on a kick returner/corner blitzer.

We still have no LBs. We still have no SS. We still have a garbage set of down-linemen.

We will continue to suck at stopping the pass because we can't get any heat on the QB and even when we do, our LBs are all so slow and so awful that the middle of the field will be open to anyone that wants it. We will also continue to suck at stopping the run because of aforementioned old/slow/weak LBs and garbage down-linemen.

No, nobody's overlooking what we "really struggled" at. We "really struggled" at damn near everything. So we went out and put shiny new rims and a chrome rearview mirror on our '76 Fiat.

****ing. Awesome.

/thread.

That was quick.

jspchief · 04-26-2010, 04:05 PM

And a front 7 doesn't affect the passing game?

Hootie · 04-26-2010, 04:05 PM

our run defense wasn't our true weakness last year...

it was our pass defense and yes, our ability to get to the QB...

Berry and Arenas are going to be difference makers from day 1...

If our offense can sustain some drives and give us some leads late in games...we'll see that rush defense improve...just because of our offense alone.

But people like OTWP want to hide behind stats because they don't like to rely on what they see with their own two eyes.

jspchief · 04-26-2010, 04:06 PM

Inability to collapse the pocket has been a weakness for years. It makes our pass rushers have to be that much better to do their job.

orange · 04-26-2010, 04:07 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DJ's left nut

Pass defense, rush defense, putting our cleats on the right foot. Mostly, our defense couldn't do a single thing well.

You almost tripled your number of sacks from 2008. That's something.

Hootie · 04-26-2010, 04:08 PM

I think it's funny you idiots were SO CONCERNED about teams running for 400 yards against us every game...but you fail to see that our defense has not taken any sort of a step backwards this offseason...that didn't happen last year...and even when we had NO IDENTITY and a shit ass DC...teams still elected to beat us through the air...not on the ground.

DO YOU NOT GET THAT?

OTHER THAN JEMARCUS RUSSELL, BRADY QUINN AND TRENT EDWARDS...TEAMS WITH REAL QB'S OFFENSIVE GAME PLAN WAS TO BEAT US WITH THE PASS RELENTLESSLY...UNTIL WE WERE DONE...AND THEN JUST PILE ON WITH SOME RUSHING ATTEMPTS.

That was the game plan.

As evidenced by every single QB ass raping our defense for our first 9 losses.

DJ's left nut · 04-26-2010, 04:09 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by The Meat Dragon

our run defense wasn't our true weakness last year...

it was our pass defense and yes, our ability to get to the QB...

Berry and Arenas are going to be difference makers from day 1...

If our offense can sustain some drives and give us some leads late in games...we'll see that rush defense improve...just because of our offense alone.

But people like OTWP want to hide behind stats because they don't like to rely on what they see with their own two eyes.

I saw a bunch of old linebackers a step behind every intermediate route that the opposition ran. I saw several QBs with interminable amounts of time in the pocket because the down-lineman couldn't generate even the beginnings of a push in the pocket.

I saw a defense that sucked at stopping the pass for the same reasons it sucked at stopping the run. It's old, it's slow, it's overmatched physically.

Guess what? -- The front 7 will remain old and/or slow and/or overmatched.

And I'll see all of this with my own two eyes.

**petegz28** · 04-26-2010, 04:14 PM

Hey, we addressed one of the key sore spots last year by signing Weigman. At least he can snap the ball to the QB in the shotgun!

Hog's Gone Fishin · 04-26-2010, 04:16 PM

If Arenas can run just 50 % of the Kick offs back for TD's we will have a chance.

ToxSocks · 04-26-2010, 04:17 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by OnTheWarpath58

/thread.

That was quick.

.

Hootie · 04-26-2010, 04:17 PM

17/25 139 5.6 2 1 (Palmer)
10/17 66 3.9 0 2 (Quinn)
12/20 86 4.3 1 1 (Fitzpatrick)
15/25 180 7.2 2 1 (Orton)
21/28 317 11.3 2 0 (Rivers)
18/27 264 9.8 1 0 (Garrard)
18/30 268 8.9 3 0 (Rivers)
20/34 351 10.3 2 0 (Romo)
20/34 292 8.6 3 1 (E. Manning)
24/34 327 9.6 2 0 (Kolb)
7/24 109 4.5 0 0 (J. Russell)
26/43 307 7.1 3 1 (Flacco)

**the Talking Can** · 04-26-2010, 04:24 PM

teams passed on us because our front 7 sucked ass

our dl put no pressure on the qb

and even worse, our lbs can't cover anyone in space....teams murdered us in the middle of the field where our slow and or clueless lbs lost their man or just couldn't maintain coverage...

and of course our backfield had to cover all day while opposing qbs made sandwhiches in the pocket before throwing the ball...

if our front seven, which remains basically unchanged - please sign henderson! - doesn't improve dramatically we'll see the exact same thing Berry or no (though i would expect him to not whiff on breakout runs the way Brown routinely did)...

pretending that our bad d and our bad pass d are somehow not connected...is um wierd...it's all on the front 7...in a 3-4 it is especially on the LBs...and our LBs, with the exception of Hali, suck ass...I mean they are some of if not the very worst in the league

Hootie · 04-26-2010, 04:26 PM

who was good in our secondary?

Flowers?

I know no one else was...I am skeptical about how good Flowers really was last year in all honesty.

04-26-2010, 03:57 PM
Hootie Banned Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Dallas, Texas Casino cash: $10004900	This is why we didn't focus on the front 7... I said this during last year...and was always hit by a Hamas stat about how bad our rush defense was... I always thought our biggest problem was our pass defense and our inability to get off the field on 3rd and long. I always cheered for the opposition to waste a 2nd down on a run play...because we were better in 3rd and 3 than we were in 3rd and 10 defensively... Teams knew this too...our rush defense got a bad wrap because we were consistently losing by 2+ scores in the 4th quarter and teams like the Giants...who gashed us with the pass all game long...used their final possessions to bad their rushing stats...and the Ravens...and even the Cowboys game 1/4th of their rushing yards came on one long run (kind of like the Skins game when we shut down Portis minus one long run as well)... The formula for beating us last year? A good passing game...and we made even marginal passing games look AMAZING. Just check this out: Flacco 300+ yards (96 rating) Oakland beat us averaging 2.7 YPC in week 2 Kolb 300 + yards (120 rating) E. Manning 292 yards (104 rating) Romo 350 yards (113 rating) Rivers 270 yards (123 rating) Garrard 270 yards (111 rating) Rivers 300+ yards (136 rating) Orton 180 yards (92 rating) 245 rush yards allowed Edwards (66 rating) 200 rush yards allowed Quinn (28 rating) 350 rush yards allowed Palmer (92 rating) Benson 4.6 YPC ... Anyone see the trend here? It's nice that guys like OTWP like to conveniently ignore what we were REALLY bad at last year.
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04-26-2010, 04:05 PM	#4
jspchief BAMF Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: Your Face Casino cash: $9998710	And a front 7 doesn't affect the passing game? __________________ Courage is not the absence of fear but rather the judgment that something is more important than fear. The brave may not live forever but the cautious do not live at all.
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04-26-2010, 04:05 PM	#5
Hootie Banned Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Dallas, Texas Casino cash: $10004900	our run defense wasn't our true weakness last year... it was our pass defense and yes, our ability to get to the QB... Berry and Arenas are going to be difference makers from day 1... If our offense can sustain some drives and give us some leads late in games...we'll see that rush defense improve...just because of our offense alone. But people like OTWP want to hide behind stats because they don't like to rely on what they see with their own two eyes.
Posts: 56,356

04-26-2010, 04:06 PM	#6
jspchief BAMF Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: Your Face Casino cash: $9998710	Inability to collapse the pocket has been a weakness for years. It makes our pass rushers have to be that much better to do their job. __________________ Courage is not the absence of fear but rather the judgment that something is more important than fear. The brave may not live forever but the cautious do not live at all.
Posts: 27,207

04-26-2010, 04:08 PM	#8
Hootie Banned Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Dallas, Texas Casino cash: $10004900	I think it's funny you idiots were SO CONCERNED about teams running for 400 yards against us every game...but you fail to see that our defense has not taken any sort of a step backwards this offseason...that didn't happen last year...and even when we had NO IDENTITY and a shit ass DC...teams still elected to beat us through the air...not on the ground. DO YOU NOT GET THAT? OTHER THAN JEMARCUS RUSSELL, BRADY QUINN AND TRENT EDWARDS...TEAMS WITH REAL QB'S OFFENSIVE GAME PLAN WAS TO BEAT US WITH THE PASS RELENTLESSLY...UNTIL WE WERE DONE...AND THEN JUST PILE ON WITH SOME RUSHING ATTEMPTS. That was the game plan. As evidenced by every single QB ass raping our defense for our first 9 losses.
Posts: 56,356

04-26-2010, 04:14 PM	#10
petegz28 Supporter Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: Olathe, Ks Casino cash: $2534127	Hey, we addressed one of the key sore spots last year by signing Weigman. At least he can snap the ball to the QB in the shotgun!
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04-26-2010, 04:16 PM	#11
Hog's Gone Fishin Fish are scared of me Join Date: Nov 2001 Casino cash: $1460477	If Arenas can run just 50 % of the Kick offs back for TD's we will have a chance.
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04-26-2010, 04:17 PM	#13
Hootie Banned Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Dallas, Texas Casino cash: $10004900	17/25 139 5.6 2 1 (Palmer) 10/17 66 3.9 0 2 (Quinn) 12/20 86 4.3 1 1 (Fitzpatrick) 15/25 180 7.2 2 1 (Orton) 21/28 317 11.3 2 0 (Rivers) 18/27 264 9.8 1 0 (Garrard) 18/30 268 8.9 3 0 (Rivers) 20/34 351 10.3 2 0 (Romo) 20/34 292 8.6 3 1 (E. Manning) 24/34 327 9.6 2 0 (Kolb) 7/24 109 4.5 0 0 (J. Russell) 26/43 307 7.1 3 1 (Flacco)
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04-26-2010, 04:24 PM	#14
the Talking Can Supporter Join Date: Aug 2001 Location: street Casino cash: $10022208	teams passed on us because our front 7 sucked ass our dl put no pressure on the qb and even worse, our lbs can't cover anyone in space....teams murdered us in the middle of the field where our slow and or clueless lbs lost their man or just couldn't maintain coverage... and of course our backfield had to cover all day while opposing qbs made sandwhiches in the pocket before throwing the ball... if our front seven, which remains basically unchanged - please sign henderson! - doesn't improve dramatically we'll see the exact same thing Berry or no (though i would expect him to not whiff on breakout runs the way Brown routinely did)... pretending that our bad d and our bad pass d are somehow not connected...is um wierd...it's all on the front 7...in a 3-4 it is especially on the LBs...and our LBs, with the exception of Hali, suck ass...I mean they are some of if not the very worst in the league __________________ Clark Hunt: "Thank god for the Dominican pool boy"
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04-26-2010, 04:26 PM	#15
Hootie Banned Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Dallas, Texas Casino cash: $10004900	who was good in our secondary? Flowers? I know no one else was...I am skeptical about how good Flowers really was last year in all honesty.
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