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Deberg_1990 · 02-22-2013, 08:37 AM

Former Colts GM Polian says Chiefs can find a QB in the draft

— In Bill Polian’s long career as an NFL general manager, his team had the number-one pick in the draft just once. That was in 1998, when he was with Indianapolis, and the Colts that year selected a quarterback, Peyton Manning.

That worked out well for Polian and the Colts. But Polian said he doesn’t think the Chiefs should draft a quarterback with this year’s first pick, even though they would like an upgrade over Matt Cassel. Like many assessing this year’s draft, Polian said there’s not a quarterback worthy of being the number-one selection.

“Just because there’s not a quarterback that everybody now doesn’t think is worth the number-one pick doesn’t mean you can’t get a quarterback,” Polian said. “Nobody thought Russell Wilson was worth a third-round pick except a couple of us. He turned out to be a pretty good quarterback.

“You always go for the best player. It’s foolish to go for need and (Chiefs coach Andy Reid) won’t do that.”

While Reid coached in Philadelphia, the Eagles at least a couple of times found quarterbacks after the first round who eventually became starters, including Kevin Kolb and Nick Foles.

“Nobody develops quarterbacks better than Andy Reid,” Polian said. “So rest assured, you’ve got the right guy. Whatever decision he makes will be the right one. He’ll find a quarterback. It doesn’t need to be the first guy in the draft.”
Other than to stay away from quarterbacks, Polian had no advice for the Chiefs with the first pick.

“Ask Andy,” he said. “They know their personnel far better than I do and they know what they need.”

http://www.kansascity.com/2013/02/21...-colts-gm.html

Chiefnj2 · 02-22-2013, 03:48 PM

Former GB and KC scout provides an interesting tidbit on scouting and coaches/GMs:

Marc Lillibridge: When I look at it as a scout, it started with a medical and that's what you're really hoping to find out. When you're writing your report and you say you love a player, if you're a good scout, you know what range he's in. If you know he's a 4.5 guy and he does better than that, it should solidify it. If a guy is a 4.6, you can tell it on film. As a scout, you're there to reconfirm, but also it helps when you're in meetings with coaches. The coaches haven't seen those players because they're worried about keeping their job or getting a new job. Then the GM's, up until December, haven't watched a lot of film – unless you're Ted Thompson.

It's more to confirm the grade you have. Then there are teams like the Atlanta Falcons, for example, that have their board set before the Combine. They may make some tweaks here or there, but they believe in their scouts. The teams that draft well trust their scouts and believe in their judgment. The Combine is just there to solidify or kill a guy if you don't think he's good. For us, when I was scouting, it didn't change much. It confirmed things and gave us hard numbers. If it makes or breaks your draft as a scout, you're probably not going to be in the business for very long or with that team.

htismaqe · 02-22-2013, 03:50 PM

Right now, isn't Dorsey working with a lot of the scouts that were here under Pioli?

Chiefnj2 · 02-22-2013, 03:51 PM

Landry Jones will make a great coach/combine prep guy. As long as there is no pass rush he looks great. Add a rush and Jones makes Matt Cassel look like Tarkenton/Rothlesberger.

O.city · 02-22-2013, 03:51 PM

Yeah, they kept the scouts from the Pioli regime.

htismaqe · 02-22-2013, 03:55 PM

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Originally Posted by O.city

Yeah, they kept the scouts from the ***** regime.

So the "rules", so to speak, only loosely apply to the Chiefs. At least for this first draft...

O.city · 02-22-2013, 03:55 PM

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Originally Posted by htismaqe

So the "rules", so to speak, only loosely apply to the Chiefs. At least for this first draft...

Yeah, but it shouldn't be an excuse.

Setsuna · 02-22-2013, 04:02 PM

Why is everyone so concerned about what the Chiefs are going to do? Seriously. Like worry about your own damn team.

Hammock Parties · 02-22-2013, 04:04 PM

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Originally Posted by BWillie

And he's totally right. Tons and tons of QB's around the same talent level. Only a fool would draft a QB with a #1 pick when you can get one just as good, maybe better in the second round. You play the hand you are given, and in this case, this draft sucks donkey balls for QBs. It's just the Chiefs luck, deal with it or whine about it & convince yourself that Geno Smith is the next Peyton Manning. I'd prefer to just deal with it logically and make the best choices on value that you can.

There is not one single other QB in this draft that has Geno's combo of arm strength, accuracy and mobility. Not to mention intangibles.

Barkley? Arm sucks, stone feet.
Glennon? Accuracy highly questionable, even less mobile than Barkley.
Wilson? Seems to have the best combo other than Geno. Still not at his level.

Manuel? Bray? Nassib? Dysert? Jones? Not even in the picture. One of these guys probably falls to the 4th.

htismaqe · 02-22-2013, 04:06 PM

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Originally Posted by O.city

Yeah, but it shouldn't be an excuse.

That's not what I'm saying.

Look at all that stuff Lillibridge said. It basically doesn't apply to the Chiefs, because Dorsey and Reid have never worked with these scouts before.

Setsuna · 02-22-2013, 04:09 PM

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Originally Posted by GoWalrus

There is not one single other QB in this draft that has Geno's combo of arm strength, accuracy and mobility. Not to mention intangibles.

Barkley? Arm sucks, stone feet.
Glennon? Accuracy highly questionable, even less mobile than Barkley.
Wilson? Seems to have the best combo other than Geno. Still not at his level.

Manuel? Bray? Nassib? Dysert? Jones? Not even in the picture. One of these guys probably falls to the 4th.

Bray has the best arm strength but lacks in accuracy and mobility. At least give him some due credit.

Hog's Gone Fishin · 02-23-2013, 09:36 AM

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Originally Posted by Sandusksuna

Bray has the best arm strength but lacks in accuracy and mobility. At least give him some due credit.

So why the **** do you want a QB that has accuracy problems ? So you can continue suck ???

tecumseh · 02-23-2013, 09:41 AM

Is it probable that A.R. trades down and drafts two QB's in rds1 & 2?

htismaqe · 02-23-2013, 10:09 AM

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Originally Posted by tecumseh

Is it probable that A.R. trades down and drafts two QB's in rds1 & 2?

It isn't probable that they trade down at all. Nobody wants our pick.

Micjones · 02-23-2013, 10:11 AM

Far too many people are against the Chiefs taking a QB #1.
It's so worrisome.

htismaqe · 02-23-2013, 10:16 AM

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Originally Posted by Micjones

Far too many people are against the Chiefs taking a QB #1.
It's so worrisome.

Hopefully the Chiefs adopt an "us against the world" mentality then.

Not only do they get the QB but they come out of it with a chip on their shoulder and something to prove.

02-22-2013, 08:37 AM
Deberg_1990 In Search of a Life Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: San Antonio Tx. Casino cash: $124454	Poilian says no QB worthy of #1. Chiefs can find one later Former Colts GM Polian says Chiefs can find a QB in the draft — In Bill Polian’s long career as an NFL general manager, his team had the number-one pick in the draft just once. That was in 1998, when he was with Indianapolis, and the Colts that year selected a quarterback, Peyton Manning. That worked out well for Polian and the Colts. But Polian said he doesn’t think the Chiefs should draft a quarterback with this year’s first pick, even though they would like an upgrade over Matt Cassel. Like many assessing this year’s draft, Polian said there’s not a quarterback worthy of being the number-one selection. “Just because there’s not a quarterback that everybody now doesn’t think is worth the number-one pick doesn’t mean you can’t get a quarterback,” Polian said. “Nobody thought Russell Wilson was worth a third-round pick except a couple of us. He turned out to be a pretty good quarterback. “You always go for the best player. It’s foolish to go for need and (Chiefs coach Andy Reid) won’t do that.” While Reid coached in Philadelphia, the Eagles at least a couple of times found quarterbacks after the first round who eventually became starters, including Kevin Kolb and Nick Foles. “Nobody develops quarterbacks better than Andy Reid,” Polian said. “So rest assured, you’ve got the right guy. Whatever decision he makes will be the right one. He’ll find a quarterback. It doesn’t need to be the first guy in the draft.” Other than to stay away from quarterbacks, Polian had no advice for the Chiefs with the first pick. “Ask Andy,” he said. “They know their personnel far better than I do and they know what they need.” http://www.kansascity.com/2013/02/21...-colts-gm.html
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Chiefnj2 In Search of a Life Join Date: Mar 2007 Casino cash: $6654388	Former GB and KC scout provides an interesting tidbit on scouting and coaches/GMs: Marc Lillibridge: When I look at it as a scout, it started with a medical and that's what you're really hoping to find out. When you're writing your report and you say you love a player, if you're a good scout, you know what range he's in. If you know he's a 4.5 guy and he does better than that, it should solidify it. If a guy is a 4.6, you can tell it on film. As a scout, you're there to reconfirm, but also it helps when you're in meetings with coaches. The coaches haven't seen those players because they're worried about keeping their job or getting a new job. Then the GM's, up until December, haven't watched a lot of film – unless you're Ted Thompson. It's more to confirm the grade you have. Then there are teams like the Atlanta Falcons, for example, that have their board set before the Combine. They may make some tweaks here or there, but they believe in their scouts. The teams that draft well trust their scouts and believe in their judgment. The Combine is just there to solidify or kill a guy if you don't think he's good. For us, when I was scouting, it didn't change much. It confirmed things and gave us hard numbers. If it makes or breaks your draft as a scout, you're probably not going to be in the business for very long or with that team. __________________ Mismanaging the clock.
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Chiefnj2 In Search of a Life Join Date: Mar 2007 Casino cash: $6654388	Landry Jones will make a great coach/combine prep guy. As long as there is no pass rush he looks great. Add a rush and Jones makes Matt Cassel look like Tarkenton/Rothlesberger. __________________ Mismanaging the clock.
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Micjones Whose house? Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: KCMO Casino cash: $10005180	Far too many people are against the Chiefs taking a QB #1. It's so worrisome. __________________ It's like when I'm right I'm right, when I'm wrong I could been right, so I'm still right cause I coulda been wrong.
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