WR Byron Pringle is playing really well

[BossChief]

Originally Posted by O.city

I've kinda thought about that Boss. They stuck by him thru all this and by all accounts love the dude, but if the Jags wanted to make that trade...….I'd prrrrrooooobbbballlyyy say no.

But i'd think about it.

The WRs are STACKED on this squad. I genuinely think the offense could absorb the loss of Tyreek without a massive drop in productivity.

But the addition of Ramsey to the defense IMMEDIATELY boosts the D into a top 10 defense, imo. It would also change the way we would gameplan for every offense we face.

It’s the kind of move BB would likely make. He signed/re-signed lots of elite corners (Law, Revis, Gilmore...among others) to extensions and FA deals...and never valued WRs enough to pay them. Banked on Tom making his WRs versus the other way around. I wouldn’t be shocked if Veach followed that mold.

I’m not sure this team can win a title without adding an elite CB. If they do, it will take some lucky bounces from time to time in big games.

Adding a guy like Ramsey would change everything.

[O.city]

Originally Posted by BossChief

The WRs are STACKED on this squad. I genuinely think the offense could absorb the loss of Tyreek without a massive drop in productivity.

But the addition of Ramsey to the defense IMMEDIATELY boosts the D into a top 10 defense, imo. It would also change the way we would gameplan for every offense we face.

It’s the kind of move BB would likely make. He signed/re-signed lots of elite corners (Law, Revis, Gilmore...among others) to extensions and FA deals...and never valued WRs enough to pay them. Banked on Tom making his WRs versus the other way around. I wouldn’t be shocked if Veach followed that mold.

I’m not sure this team can win a title without adding an elite CB. If they do, it will take some lucky bounces from time to time in big games.

Adding a guy like Ramsey would change everything.

There's some potential for the WR's for sure. I'm not at the "stacked" point yet.

Especially if you take away Tyreek. He's the clear cut just top end guy and the one guy on a legit HOF path. The off field stuff and contract is the issue, but i'm gonna go out on a limb and say if BB had that guy, he'd re sign him.

I would understand the trade, but damn it would be hard.

[staylor26]

Lol no way I’m doing that.

Tyreek and Pat are just too good of a QB/WR duo.

[O.city]

Just depends.

If Hill still wants 20 mil per and they feel uncomfortable doing that now, gotta do something different.

You'd have to pay Ramsey immediately and you don't know him whereas you've got Hill in house etc.

I seriously doubt they'd do it. But if Andy feels like he can get say 80% of Tyreek out of Hardman and they like some of these other young WR's, well....

[staylor26]

Originally Posted by O.city

Just depends.

If Hill still wants 20 mil per and they feel uncomfortable doing that now, gotta do something different.

You'd have to pay Ramsey immediately and you don't know him whereas you've got Hill in house etc.

I seriously doubt they'd do it. But if Andy feels like he can get say 80% of Tyreek out of Hardman and they like some of these other young WR's, well....

You’re much more likely to get Hill at a “discount” than you are Ramsey.

[O.city]

Originally Posted by staylor26

You’re much more likely to get Hill at a “discount” than you are Ramsey.

I thought that, but with the timing and such i'm not sure.

You probably can't do a deal now, with all the stuff that's happened and the PR hit etc. So you've gotta wait til mid season or after the season. Well, if he blows up and goes for another 1500 and 10 TD's, I doubt there's a discount to be had.

[staylor26]

Originally Posted by O.city

I thought that, but with the timing and such i'm not sure.

You probably can't do a deal now, with all the stuff that's happened and the PR hit etc. So you've gotta wait til mid season or after the season. Well, if he blows up and goes for another 1500 and 10 TD's, I doubt there's a discount to be had.

Even then I still don’t think Hill’s contract demands with be as unreasonable as Ramsey’s.

We’re talking about a guy that said “they’re going to have to pay me so much, they’ll have to put me on layaway”.

[O.city]

Originally Posted by staylor26

Even then I still don’t think Hill’s contract demands with be as unreasonable as Ramsey’s.

We’re talking about a guy that said “they’re going to have to pay me so much, they’ll have to put me on layaway”.

For sure.

But again, if Tyreek is going to want 20 mil per that was rumored earlier, eh, i'd imagine they're both gonna be pretty big.

[crispystl]

Originally Posted by staylor26

You’re much more likely to get Hill at a “discount” than you are Ramsey.

Yup

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[ChiefAshhole1056]

Originally Posted by O.city

Just depends.

If Hill still wants 20 mil per and they feel uncomfortable doing that now, gotta do something different.

You'd have to pay Ramsey immediately and you don't know him whereas you've got Hill in house etc.

I seriously doubt they'd do it. But if Andy feels like he can get say 80% of Tyreek out of Hardman and they like some of these other young WR's, well....

I’m fascinated by the notion of people assuming Hardman is Reeks replacement. He is a perfect fit for what KC thought they were getting from Reek initially in round 5, when he was just a gadget weapon that could utilize 4.2 speed with end arounds, screens, occasional handoffs, and returns. Reek ended up being a complete surprise in terms of developing into a complete WR where he shocked everyone in terms of being able to become a legitamite WR1.

Hardman is going to be what we saw from Reeks first half of his rookie year. Occasional gadget plays and a return threat. He is not going to develop into a top 3 WR like Reek did and his expectations need to be treated as such.

[Chiefshrink]

Originally Posted by ChiefAshhole1056

I’m fascinated by the notion of people assuming Hardman is Reeks replacement. He is a perfect fit for what KC thought they were getting from Reek initially in round 5, when he was just a gadget weapon that could utilize 4.2 speed with end arounds, screens, occasional handoffs, and returns. Reek ended up being a complete surprise in terms of developing into a complete WR where he shocked everyone in terms of being able to become a legitamite WR1.

Hardman is going to be what we saw from Reeks first half of his rookie year. Occasional gadget plays and a return threat. He is not going to develop into a top 3 WR like Reek did and his expectations need to be treated as such.

Mahomes will advance Hardman's game much quicker and I think you will be surprised by the end of 3/4s of the season. This is what I am hoping for anyway.

[ChiefAshhole1056]

Originally Posted by Chiefshrink

Mahomes will advance Hardman's game much quicker and I think you will be surprised by the end of 3/4s of the season. This is what I am hoping for anyway.

Advanced to what level though? What is your realistic expectation of what Hardman becomes?

[BlackOp]

Originally Posted by ChiefAshhole1056

I’m fascinated by the notion of people assuming Hardman is Reeks replacement. He is a perfect fit for what KC thought they were getting from Reek initially in round 5, when he was just a gadget weapon that could utilize 4.2 speed with end arounds, screens, occasional handoffs, and returns. Reek ended up being a complete surprise in terms of developing into a complete WR where he shocked everyone in terms of being able to become a legitamite WR1.

Hardman is going to be what we saw from Reeks first half of his rookie year. Occasional gadget plays and a return threat. He is not going to develop into a top 3 WR like Reek did and his expectations need to be treated as such.

I agree with a lot of that except there is a chance he does become a legit WR...it's a crap shoot just like with Hill. It would be pretty crazy if he exceeds expectations...but there are so many fast WRs that never amount to anything. The odds are against it...

I'm actually more excited about Pringle taking Conley's role...he looked like he definitely has potential. That's the money spot...with Kelce, Watkins and Hill. If KC gets a legit 4th option...there is not much you can do.

[VAGOMO 4 LIFE!]

Originally Posted by BlackOp

I agree with a lot of that except there is a chance he does become a legit WR...it's a crap shoot just like with Hill. It would be pretty crazy if he exceeds expectations...but there are so many fast WRs that never amount to anything. The odds are against it...

I'm actually more excited about Pringle taking Conley's role...he looked like he definitely has potential. That's the money spot...with Kelce, Watkins and Hill. If KC gets a legit 4th option...there is not much you can do.

Robinson will be much improved this year. Watch out. Dude gets open

[BlackOp]

Originally Posted by MAHOMO 4 LIFE!

Robinson will be much improved this year. Watch out. Dude gets open

Robinson ran a 4.6...the scheme is getting him open. That's what makes Hardman intriguing...4.3 speed as a 4th option. He's likely getting the weakest defender...or schematically unattended. I wonder if Pringle hadn't been injured...if he would have taken D-Robs reps.

Anyway...it's a good problem to have. I just remember watching Pringle and thinking...who is this dude? We'll see if it was just a preseason apparition....the ghost of Bobby Sipiro.