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Old 02-08-2021, 10:03 AM  
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Veach's '21 Offseason Plan to Keep Us Thriving: Let's speculate
In order to prevent us wasting precious years of Patrick Mahomes' career, Veach needs to work some magic this offseason. What's your advice for him?
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Old 03-08-2021, 04:44 PM   #2461
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Are you advocating for a WR?

Time will tell. If they prioritize a top tier TE in free agency, the level of WR they may sign won’t be impactful.
Who isn’t advocating for a WR? We’re likely losing two of our top 4. You think a team that has consistently invested in the position while simultaneously not putting much value into TE2 had a sudden dramatic change in philosophy after a SB where nobody outside of Tyreek Hill could win 1 on 1?

They aren’t going to “prioritize a top tier TE in free agency”. What reason do we have to believe they will? Again, because Veach mentioned backup TE? He mentioned WR as well. You aren’t making any sense with this argument.
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Old 03-08-2021, 04:51 PM   #2462
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He had 6 sacks in 2019. He’s shown he’s capable of being productive.

He was absolutely disruptive on tape and consistently got pressure in 2020. It’s all on tape, and just about every scouting report mentions this. DJ, Zierlein, Brugler etc. have all said the same thing. This is reflected by his pass rush win rate and PFF grades (I know I know PFF) as well. The lack of production is 100% misleading, which is why I think it’s silly to stop there.

Despite the difference in production, nobody will tell you he didn’t clearly get better from 2019 to 2020.

The issue is it was a weird year and he’s still new to football. He’s not an athlete playing football though. He’s definitely a football player and has improved while demonstrating he has the intangibles to make a huge jump in the NFL.
I'm always leery of no production, but at the end of the first, you're not getting a clean prospect. It is what it is.

Figure out what he does well and ask him to do that.
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Old 03-08-2021, 04:53 PM   #2463
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Who isn’t advocating for a WR? We’re losing two of our top 4.

They aren’t going to “prioritize a top tier TE in free agency”. What reason do we have to believe they will? Again, because Veach mentioned backup TE? He mentioned WR as well. You aren’t making any sense with this argument.
I’m not advocating for the prioritization of a WR (many more holes to prioritize)...Watkins barely plays (especially in 2020) and Robinson hasn’t been relevant since 9/15/2019.

The discussion (not argument LOL) is simply based around an opinion that KC may rather replace Watkins/Robinson’s production with a second threat at TE. The reason (other than Veach calling it out) is a lack of quality behind Kelce for seasons...since Harris (does he qualify as a threat??)
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Old 03-08-2021, 05:02 PM   #2464
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I’m not advocating for the prioritization of a WR (many more holes to prioritize)...Watkins barely plays (especially in 2020) and Robinson hasn’t been relevant since 9/15/2019.

The discussion (not argument LOL) is simply based around an opinion that KC may rather replace Watkins/Robinson’s production with a second threat at TE. The reason (other than Veach calling it out) is a lack of quality behind Kelce for seasons...since Harris (does he qualify as a threat??)
Why do you keep ignoring that all Veach did was add backup TE, along with WR, to a list of needs?

You’re quite literally making something out of nothing, while also ignoring things that contradict your assessment.

Watkins barely playing and Robinson not being relevant doesn’t change the fact that they clearly want a WR2, hence why they went after Watkins in the first place AND re-signed him last year.
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Old 03-08-2021, 05:15 PM   #2465
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Why do you keep ignoring that all Veach did was add backup TE, along with WR, to a list of needs?

You’re quite literally making something out of nothing, while also ignoring things that contradict your assessment.

Watkins barely playing and Robinson not being relevant doesn’t change the fact that they clearly want a WR2, hence why they went after Watkins in the first place AND re-signed him last year.
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Old 03-08-2021, 05:31 PM   #2466
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I'm trying to remember what glaring deficiency Veach has ignored since he became GM.

2018's defense was shitty.

Enter Matthieu, Clark, Okafor, Ogbah, Breeland. Spags and that entire staff.

2019 LB play sketchy-draft Gay in round 2. Covid, no camp, slowed his development, but investment made.

2019 CB depth sketchy. Draft Sneed, sign Baker.

Now in 2021, we clearly have OL issues, need WR help, could use talent upgrades in a few other spots like TE2.

But somehow, people here want to act like they're just going to ignore the problems.

They're problems to be solved. Veach has directly addressed a weakness every year. Dude can walk and chew gum.
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Old 03-08-2021, 06:53 PM   #2471
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Probably drop a little weight anyway.
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No, what Veach said was that we aren’t going to go out and sign a WR immediately in free agency (like we did with Watkins) because we don’t have the money to do that.

This was unsolicited, so if anything, I found it interesting that he specifically mentioned a WR. They aren’t going to go out and get a big fish there, but that kind of makes me think they want to get a guy in that tier 2/3 area which goes with what guys like Nate Taylor have said.

And if the PC is what you’re basing all of this on, he even said something about adding a WR in the draft.

They are adding a WR one way or the other, and they will probably do both.

The point is backup TE has no impact on them adding a WR.
Veach mentioned WR, CB and OT being the deepest position groups in the draft and I’m POSITIVE he has a couple “Sneeds” at WR he’s targeting that had great 2019s but lackluster 2020s due to specific circumstances.

I can’t wait to see who those guys are.
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