Chiefs The roster as it stands - Page 17

Phoneix · 02:29 PM

My 2022 Game 1 roster guesses:

QB - Mahomes/Henne/Buechele
RB - CEH/McKinnon/Pacheco
FB - Burton
WR1 - MVS/ Hardman/Watson
WR2 - Juju/Moore/Fountain OR Coleman
TE - Kelce/Bell/Gray/Fortson
RT - Wylie/Christian
RG - Smith/Caliendo
C - Humphrey/Reiter
LG - Thuney/Allegretii
LT - OBJ

O = 26

LDE - Karlaftis/Danna
LDT - Nandi/Wharton
RDT - Jones/Saunders
RDE - Clark/Dunlap
WLB - Bolton/Harris
MLB - Gay/Carter
SLB - Lee/Chenal
LCB - McDuffie/Fenton/Lammons
RCB - Sneed/Williams/Watson
SS - Reid/Cook
FS - Thornhill/Bush

D = 24

ST
Butker
Townsend
Winchester

PTW- PS
Crum - PS
Franks - Release
Ealy - Release
Fleet-Davis - PS
Jones - Release
Gore - PS
Powell - PS
Gordon - Release
Kinnard - PS
Niang - IR
Bootle - PS
Key - Release
Barcoo - Released
Johnson - Released
Anderson - PS
Kaindoh - PS

Just trying to keep up....makes it a little more clear to be able to see needs/wants

QB - Mahomes/Henne/Buchele
RB - CEH/Jones/Gore/Pacheco
FB - Burton
WR1 - Hardman/MVS/Coleman/Dieter
WR2 - Juju/Moore/Gordon/Powell/Fountain
TE - Kelce/Bell/Gray/Fortson
RT - Niang/Wylie/Christian/Kinnard
RG - Smith
C - Humphrey/Reiter
LG - Thuney/Allegretti
LT - OBJ/PTW
LDE - Karlaftis/Danna
LDT - Nandi/Wharton
RDT - Jones/Saunders
RDE - Clark/Kaindoh
WLB - Harris/Chenal
MLB - Bolton/Carter
SLB - Gay/Lee
LCB - Fenton/McDuffie/Bootle/Watson
RCB - Sneed/Baker/Williams/Barcoo/Johnson
SS - Reid/Key/Cook
FS - Thornhill/Bush/Anderson

Salaries in the spoilers

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Originally Posted by Wilson8

I really like this roster and think with the draft, it is really going to be looking good.

Below I am showing the Chiefs roster along with their contracts. Also added within each position group, a draft slot that we have and what the Chiefs MIGHT be able to draft with that position.

I'm not married to the results. I know we can trade and move around. Just want to show a possibility.

Offense -

Quarterbacks (3/2)
• 15 Patrick Mahomes, Age 26, 6-3, 227, (2022 $35.8M, 2023 46.8M…2031 $52.5)
• 4 Chad Henne, Age 37, 6-3, 215, ($3,265,000)
• 6 Shane Buechele, Age 23. 6-0, 208, (2022 $825K, 2023 ERFA)

Running backs (5/5) Draft (135) Ty Chandler, North Carolina, Rachaad White, Arizona State, Tyler Badie, Missouri, Pierre Strong, South Dakota State, or Dameon Pierce, Florida

• 45 Michael Burton FB, Age 29, 6-0, 243, (2022, $1,047,500)
• 25 Clyde Edwards-Helaire, Age 22, 5-8, 205, (2022 $2.9M, 2023 3.4M)
• Ronald Jones II, Age 25, 5-11, 208, (2022 Max $5M)
• 40 Derrick Gore, Age 27, 5-10, 207, (2022 ERFA $825)
• Brendon Knox, Age 23, 5-11, 220, Signed to Futures contract $705

o 1 Jerick McKinnon Age 29, 5-9. 201, (2022 Free Agent) unsigned
o 31 Darrel Williams, Age 26, 5-11, 219, (2022 Free Agent) unsigned

Wide receivers (13/6) Draft (29) Drake London, USC, Chris Olave, Ohio State, Treylon Burks, Arkansas, Skyy Moore, Western Michigan, or Jahan Dotson, Penn State

• 17 Mecole Hardman, Age 23, 5-10, 180, (2022 $4.399M)
• 11 Marquez Valdes-Scantling, Age 27, 6-4, 206 (3yr $30M)
• 9 JuJu Smith-Schuster Age 25, 6-1, 215 (2022 $2.89M)
• Corey Coleman, Age 27, 5-10, 185, (2022 $965K)
• 19 Josh Gordon, Age 30, 6-3, 238, Re-signed to Futures contract, $895K
• 12 Gehrig Dieter, Age 28, 6-3, 208 Re-signed to Futures contract, $895K
• 82 Daurice Fountain, Age 26, 6-1, 212 Re-signed to Futures contract $965K
• 14 Cornell Powell, Age 24, 6-0, 210 Re-signed to Futures contract $705K
• Chris Finke, Age 25, 5-10, 184, Signed to Futures contract. $705K
• Justin Watson, Age 25, 6-3, 215, Signed to Futures contract. $895K
• Omar Bayless, Age 25, 6-1, 210, Signed to Futures contract. $705K
• Mathew Sexton, Age 24, 5-11, 175, Signed to Futures contract. $705K
• Gary Jennings, Age 24, 6-1, 216, Signed to Futures contract. $825K

o 10 Tyreek Hill, Age 27, 5-10, 185, Miami Dolphins 4yr $120M
o 13 Byron Pringle, Age 28, 6-1, 201, Chicago Bears 1yr $4.125M
o 11 Demarcus Robinson, Age 27, 6-1, 202, Las Vegas Raiders 1yr $1,187M
o 85 Marcus Kemp Age 26, 6-4, 208, (2022 Free Agent) unsigned

Tight ends (9/3) Draft (121) Jelani Woods, Virginia, Jeremy Ruckert, Ohio State, Charlie Kolar, Iowa State, or Jelen Wydermyer, Texas A&M

• 83 Noah Gray, Age 22, 6-4, 243, (2022 $903K, 2023 $1.018M, 2024 $1.133M)
• 87 Travis Kelce, Age 32, 6-5, 256, (2022 $8.9M, 2023 $14.65M, 2024 $16.4M, 2025 $18.65M)
• 88 Jody Fortson, Age 26, 6-6, 240 (2022 ERFA $825K) PUP/IR
• 81 Blake Bell, Age 30, 6-6, 260, (2022 ?)
• 48 Nakia Griffin-Stewart, Age 25, 6-5, 260 Re-signed to Futures contract. $705 K
• 80 Mark Vital TE, Age 25, 6-5, 250, Re-signed to Futures contract. $705 K
• Jordan Franks, 6-4, 250, Signed to Futures contract. $825 K
• Josh Pederson, Age 24, 6-5. 235, Signed to Futures contract. $705 K
• 84 Matt Bushman, Age 26, 6-5, 245, Re-signed to Futures contract. $705 K

Offensive Linemen (12/10) Draft (94) Kellen Diesch, Arizona State. Cordell Volson, North Dakota State, Rasheed Walker, Penn State, Max Mitchell, Louisiana, or Braxton Jones Southern Utah Late round (251) Austin Deculus, LSU

• 73 Nick Allegretti G, Age 25, 6-4, 315, (2022 $1.003M)
• 57 Orlando Brown Jr. T, Age 25, 6-8, 363, (2022 Tag, $16,6M) Contract Projection: ($21M per year).
• 52 Creed Humphrey C, Age 22, 6-5, 309, (2022 $1.264M. 2023 $1.517M, 2024 $1.770M)
• 67 Lucas Niang T, Age 23, 6-6, 339, (2022 $1.071M. 2023 $1.207M, 2024 $1.321M) PUP/IR
• 65 Trey Smith G, Age 22, 6-6, 329, (2022 $857K. 2023 $972K, 2024 $1.087M)
• 70 Prince Tega Wanogho T, Age 24, 6-5, 303, (2022 $825K, 2023 ERFA)
• 62 Joe Thuney G, Age 29, 6-5, 304, (2022 $8.1M. 2023 $22.1M, 2024 $22.6M, 2025 $22.6M)
• 77 Andrew Wylie T/G, Age 28, 6-6, 310, (2022 $1,187,500)
• Geron Christian OT, Age 26, 6-5, 303, (2022 $1,047,500)
• 64 Darryl Williams C, Age 24, 6-2, 304, Re-signed to Futures contract. $705 K
• Roderick Johnson OT, Age 26, 6-6, 300, Re-signed to Futures contract. $965 K
• Austin Reiter, Age 30, 6-3, 300 (2022 ?)

o 66 Austin Blythe C, Age 29, 6-2, 280, Seattle Seahawks 1yr $4M
o 69 Kyle Long G, Age 33, 6-6, 332, (2022 Free Agent) unsigned
o 75 Mike Remmers T (IR), Age 32, 6-5, 301, (2022 Free Agent) unsigned

Quote:

Originally Posted by Wilson8

I really like this roster and think with the draft, it is really going to be looking good.

Below I am showing the Chiefs roster along with their contracts. Also added within each position group, a draft slot that we have and what the Chiefs MIGHT be able to draft with that position.

I'm not married to the results. I know we can trade and move around. Just want to show a possibility.

Offense -

Quarterbacks (3/2)
• 15 Patrick Mahomes, Age 26, 6-3, 227, (2022 $35.8M, 2023 46.8M…2031 $52.5)
• 4 Chad Henne, Age 37, 6-3, 215, ($3,265,000)
• 6 Shane Buechele, Age 23. 6-0, 208, (2022 $825K, 2023 ERFA)

Running backs (5/5) Draft (135) Ty Chandler, North Carolina, Rachaad White, Arizona State, Tyler Badie, Missouri, Pierre Strong, South Dakota State, or Dameon Pierce, Florida

• 45 Michael Burton FB, Age 29, 6-0, 243, (2022, $1,047,500)
• 25 Clyde Edwards-Helaire, Age 22, 5-8, 205, (2022 $2.9M, 2023 3.4M)
• Ronald Jones II, Age 25, 5-11, 208, (2022 Max $5M)
• 40 Derrick Gore, Age 27, 5-10, 207, (2022 ERFA $825)
• Brendon Knox, Age 23, 5-11, 220, Signed to Futures contract $705

o 1 Jerick McKinnon Age 29, 5-9. 201, (2022 Free Agent) unsigned
o 31 Darrel Williams, Age 26, 5-11, 219, (2022 Free Agent) unsigned

Wide receivers (13/6) Draft (29) Drake London, USC, Chris Olave, Ohio State, Treylon Burks, Arkansas, Skyy Moore, Western Michigan, or Jahan Dotson, Penn State

• 17 Mecole Hardman, Age 23, 5-10, 180, (2022 $4.399M)
• 11 Marquez Valdes-Scantling, Age 27, 6-4, 206 (3yr $30M)
• 9 JuJu Smith-Schuster Age 25, 6-1, 215 (2022 $2.89M)
• Corey Coleman, Age 27, 5-10, 185, (2022 $965K)
• 19 Josh Gordon, Age 30, 6-3, 238, Re-signed to Futures contract, $895K
• 12 Gehrig Dieter, Age 28, 6-3, 208 Re-signed to Futures contract, $895K
• 82 Daurice Fountain, Age 26, 6-1, 212 Re-signed to Futures contract $965K
• 14 Cornell Powell, Age 24, 6-0, 210 Re-signed to Futures contract $705K
• Chris Finke, Age 25, 5-10, 184, Signed to Futures contract. $705K
• Justin Watson, Age 25, 6-3, 215, Signed to Futures contract. $895K
• Omar Bayless, Age 25, 6-1, 210, Signed to Futures contract. $705K
• Mathew Sexton, Age 24, 5-11, 175, Signed to Futures contract. $705K
• Gary Jennings, Age 24, 6-1, 216, Signed to Futures contract. $825K

o 10 Tyreek Hill, Age 27, 5-10, 185, Miami Dolphins 4yr $120M
o 13 Byron Pringle, Age 28, 6-1, 201, Chicago Bears 1yr $4.125M
o 11 Demarcus Robinson, Age 27, 6-1, 202, Las Vegas Raiders 1yr $1,187M
o 85 Marcus Kemp Age 26, 6-4, 208, (2022 Free Agent) unsigned

Tight ends (9/3) Draft (121) Jelani Woods, Virginia, Jeremy Ruckert, Ohio State, Charlie Kolar, Iowa State, or Jelen Wydermyer, Texas A&M

• 83 Noah Gray, Age 22, 6-4, 243, (2022 $903K, 2023 $1.018M, 2024 $1.133M)
• 87 Travis Kelce, Age 32, 6-5, 256, (2022 $8.9M, 2023 $14.65M, 2024 $16.4M, 2025 $18.65M)
• 88 Jody Fortson, Age 26, 6-6, 240 (2022 ERFA $825K) PUP/IR
• 81 Blake Bell, Age 30, 6-6, 260, (2022 ?)
• 48 Nakia Griffin-Stewart, Age 25, 6-5, 260 Re-signed to Futures contract. $705 K
• 80 Mark Vital TE, Age 25, 6-5, 250, Re-signed to Futures contract. $705 K
• Jordan Franks, 6-4, 250, Signed to Futures contract. $825 K
• Josh Pederson, Age 24, 6-5. 235, Signed to Futures contract. $705 K
• 84 Matt Bushman, Age 26, 6-5, 245, Re-signed to Futures contract. $705 K

Offensive Linemen (12/10) Draft (94) Kellen Diesch, Arizona State. Cordell Volson, North Dakota State, Rasheed Walker, Penn State, Max Mitchell, Louisiana, or Braxton Jones Southern Utah Late round (251) Austin Deculus, LSU

• 73 Nick Allegretti G, Age 25, 6-4, 315, (2022 $1.003M)
• 57 Orlando Brown Jr. T, Age 25, 6-8, 363, (2022 Tag, $16,6M) Contract Projection: ($21M per year).
• 52 Creed Humphrey C, Age 22, 6-5, 309, (2022 $1.264M. 2023 $1.517M, 2024 $1.770M)
• 67 Lucas Niang T, Age 23, 6-6, 339, (2022 $1.071M. 2023 $1.207M, 2024 $1.321M) PUP/IR
• 65 Trey Smith G, Age 22, 6-6, 329, (2022 $857K. 2023 $972K, 2024 $1.087M)
• 70 Prince Tega Wanogho T, Age 24, 6-5, 303, (2022 $825K, 2023 ERFA)
• 62 Joe Thuney G, Age 29, 6-5, 304, (2022 $8.1M. 2023 $22.1M, 2024 $22.6M, 2025 $22.6M)
• 77 Andrew Wylie T/G, Age 28, 6-6, 310, (2022 $1,187,500)
• Geron Christian OT, Age 26, 6-5, 303, (2022 $1,047,500)
• 64 Darryl Williams C, Age 24, 6-2, 304, Re-signed to Futures contract. $705 K
• Roderick Johnson OT, Age 26, 6-6, 300, Re-signed to Futures contract. $965 K
• Austin Reiter, Age 30, 6-3, 300 (2022 ?)

o 66 Austin Blythe C, Age 29, 6-2, 280, Seattle Seahawks 1yr $4M
o 69 Kyle Long G, Age 33, 6-6, 332, (2022 Free Agent) unsigned
o 75 Mike Remmers T (IR), Age 32, 6-5, 301, (2022 Free Agent) unsigned

O.city · 03-30-2022, 09:50 AM

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Originally Posted by staylor26

Joe Cullen…

Maybe. But we had a good DL coach last year too.

Maybe some new voices will help.

Chris Meck · 03-30-2022, 09:51 AM

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Originally Posted by O.city

It would be really helpful if Kaindoh turned into just something. Not great, just a decent player.

It really would.

Phoneix · 03-30-2022, 06:04 PM

When another fan base is talking trash about Mahomes. pic.twitter.com/9Z8zkGNpOC
— Hudi Productions (@hudsononeill15) March 28, 2022

IDK where exactly this goes but

-King- · 03-30-2022, 10:24 PM

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Originally Posted by RunKC

They’re about to get James Bradberry per reports. But you need to see the other side of this: rookie contracts.

Take a look at our corner, safety and DL. The whole damn defense. Ward is gone, Clark is only here bc of dead money, Chris Jones is getting older and has 1 year after this one left. Who is our starting DE opposite Clark? Who is our 3rd safety? Who is replacing Ward?

So my question for you is this: how we fixing the defense with limited money and only 1 draft pick in the top 60?

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Originally Posted by RunKC

I’m going to be honest here. I think Veach should go ALL IN for the next 2 seasons. I’m not saying going all in like the Rams but he should be doing something.

Think about it. Kelce turns 33 this year. Tyreek and Jones turn 28. Those are 3 of your best players. They are in their prime now. Patrick is just now entering his too. You also have no idea about Andy. He’s 63 and vastly overweight. Anything could happen with him.

We’ve got an extra 3rd rd pick the next 2 years, so we have ammo. Wanna trade a 2nd for a damn good player that is young? I’m down for that. Backload the contract. Wanna use one of those 3rd rd picks to move up in the first? Alrighty.

Melvin Ingram want to come back? No prob. 2 years. Let’s go hard after Von Miller, DJ Chark, Emmanuel Ogbah. Get those guys. Maneuver the cap and backload it.

The Chiefs era we’ve seen will start looking different in 2 years. After that you clear money and pay your young studs like Sneed, Gay, Bolton, Creed, Smith.

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Originally Posted by RunKC

Get ready for a complete renovation of the defense guys. Veach is gonna have lots of money.

Currently have $14 million per overthecap
Clark+Hitchens cut=$27.9 million
Tyreek extension=lowered first year cap, lot of savings

Oh and this too. Goddamn Veach and Tillis killed this Mahomes deal

It will not. https://t.co/UGd25loDe5 pic.twitter.com/hSeblPNuuC
— Joshua Brisco (@jbbrisco) January 31, 2022

You guys are so full of shit

Chris Meck · 03-31-2022, 05:23 AM

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Originally Posted by -King-

You guys are so full of shit

Man, you could have done these things, and have a year or two with Hill and these FA's- and you'd have a couple of cap hell years and have to gut it all. And what would that window look like? It hasn't been good enough for two seasons-and every other team in contention went all in too.

No, the smart thing was to sell high, reload, revamp, and make the changes now. The offense we'd been running had been countered. Everyone loaded up on edges to prevent the deep routes, 2 deep safeties to keep Hill from getting over the top, making him a different player anyway. Look at the drop in ypc. So we zig while everyone else zags.

You need to get over it. It was a logical move. You don't have to like it, but it's done, and the endless bitching is really tiresome.

Chris Meck · 03-31-2022, 06:55 AM

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Originally Posted by -King-

You guys are so full of shit

This is my final word on this-and then I'll let it go, and you can whine all you want.

I never thought the haul in picks would be anywhere near what we got for Hill, to be honest.

I thought we'd maybe get a first and some change because of his contract demands. 4 picks in the first four rounds and a 6 make a HUGE impact in a team's influx of young, cost controlled talent.

I mean, having 8 picks in the first four rounds of an unusually deep draft is a real boon.

Coupled with other teams loading up to stop an offense that doesn't exist anymore and I like our chances of sustaining a contender for a long, long time moving forward.

Anyway. Bitch on.

InChiefsHeaven · 03-31-2022, 07:34 AM

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Originally Posted by Chris Meck

This is my final word on this-and then I'll let it go, and you can whine all you want.

I never thought the haul in picks would be anywhere near what we got for Hill, to be honest.

I thought we'd maybe get a first and some change because of his contract demands. 4 picks in the first four rounds and a 6 make a HUGE impact in a team's influx of young, cost controlled talent.

I mean, having 8 picks in the first four rounds of an unusually deep draft is a real boon.
Coupled with other teams loading up to stop an offense that doesn't exist anymore and I like our chances of sustaining a contender for a long, long time moving forward.

Anyway. Bitch on.

The bolded is the best part. It's like the Chiefs pulled the 'ol switcheroo on them, made them spend a ton of money on a threat that no longer exists...meanwhile the Chiefs get to retool while remaining competitive if not dominant because of our QB and coach...this shit gets sweeter by the minute the more I think about it.

Yes, we'll miss Tyreek, but the Chiefs are not just gonna throw in the towel because he's gone. They will use this opportunity to stay a step ahead in the division, as much as they can anyway. It's a risk, sure, but I think ultimately this was the right thing to do for all involved.

Chris Meck · 03-31-2022, 07:47 AM

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Originally Posted by InChiefsHeaven

The bolded is the best part. It's like the Chiefs pulled the 'ol switcheroo on them, made them spend a ton of money on a threat that no longer exists...meanwhile the Chiefs get to retool while remaining competitive if not dominant because of our QB and coach...this shit gets sweeter by the minute the more I think about it.

Yes, we'll miss Tyreek, but the Chiefs are not just gonna throw in the towel because he's gone. They will use this opportunity to stay a step ahead in the division, as much as they can anyway. It's a risk, sure, but I think ultimately this was the right thing to do for all involved.

Yeah, all of the rest of the division and the AFC contenders built themselves to beat WASP.

Now we'll throw an entirely different set of skillsets at them.

It's pretty cool. Ballsy move to bet on their scouting and coaching to be able to stay ahead of the curve.

RunKC · 03-31-2022, 08:04 AM

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Originally Posted by -King-

You guys are so full of shit

1 draft pick in the top 60<3 in the top 50

You realize that the Chiefs would only have like 30 players on the roster right? As it stands now it’s 22 not counting the draft. The money and draft picks available will easily accommodate filling the other 23 spots.

You also realize Tyreek alone is like 40% of the cost of that freed up money yes? You also need probably around $8 million for a larger draft class as well. So that’s about $40 million alone with those two, basically half.

Then there’s Orlando Brown Jr who they want to get done this year. His cap hit will probably be at least $17 million in 2023

So that leaves you with only $24 million. Then you have your own FA’s. Juju, Thornhill, Hardman, Wylie, Bush, Fenton.

So your plan leaves us with only $24 million for our own players as well as any external.

Just one player like Christian Kirk is over $7 million cap hit year one. Any good players will cost money.

I’m sorry basic math is not your strong suit

**The Franchise** · 03-31-2022, 08:06 AM

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Originally Posted by RunKC

1 draft pick in the top 60<3 in the top 50

You realize that the Chiefs would only have like 30 players on the roster right? As it stands now it’s 22 not counting the draft. The money and draft picks available will easily accommodate filling the other 23 spots.

You also realize Tyreek alone is like 40% of the cost of that freed up money yes? You also need probably around $8 million for a larger draft class as well. So that’s about $40 million alone with those two, basically half.

Then there’s Orlando Brown Jr who they want to get done this year. His cap hit will probably be at least $15 million in 2023

So that leaves you with only $25 million. Then you have your own FA’s. Juju, Thornhill, Hardman, Wylie, Bush, Fenton.

So your plan leaves us with only $25 million for our own players as well as any external.

Just one player like Christian Kirk is over $7 million cap hit year one. Any good players will cost money.

I’m sorry basic math is not your strong suit

It’s not basic math that isn’t his strong suit. It’s basic understanding.

Chris Meck · 03-31-2022, 08:14 AM

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Originally Posted by RunKC

1 draft pick in the top 60<3 in the top 50

You realize that the Chiefs would only have like 30 players on the roster right? As it stands now it’s 22 not counting the draft. The money and draft picks available will easily accommodate filling the other 23 spots.

You also realize Tyreek alone is like 40% of the cost of that freed up money yes? You also need probably around $8 million for a larger draft class as well. So that’s about $40 million alone with those two, basically half.

Then there’s Orlando Brown Jr who they want to get done this year. His cap hit will probably be at least $17 million in 2023

So that leaves you with only $24 million. Then you have your own FA’s. Juju, Thornhill, Hardman, Wylie, Bush, Fenton.

So your plan leaves us with only $24 million for our own players as well as any external.

Just one player like Christian Kirk is over $7 million cap hit year one. Any good players will cost money.

I’m sorry basic math is not your strong suit

You're talking to a guy who wanted to cut Clark and line up UDFA's at edge.

-King- · 03-31-2022, 08:45 AM

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Originally Posted by RunKC

1 draft pick in the top 60<3 in the top 50

You realize that the Chiefs would only have like 30 players on the roster right? As it stands now it’s 22 not counting the draft. The money and draft picks available will easily accommodate filling the other 23 spots.

You also realize Tyreek alone is like 40% of the cost of that freed up money yes? You also need probably around $8 million for a larger draft class as well. So that’s about $40 million alone with those two, basically half.

Then there’s Orlando Brown Jr who they want to get done this year. His cap hit will probably be at least $17 million in 2023

So that leaves you with only $24 million. Then you have your own FA’s. Juju, Thornhill, Hardman, Wylie, Bush, Fenton.

So your plan leaves us with only $24 million for our own players as well as any external.

Just one player like Christian Kirk is over $7 million cap hit year one. Any good players will cost money.

I’m sorry basic math is not your strong suit

You made that post before the trade. Before the trade you thought that we had a bunch of ammo. Now suddenly it wasn't enough? Which is it?

And no, this was your plan and math. In your scenario, you not only resigned Hill, but you were able to fill out the defense and have a pretty decent depth chart. Guess you and everyone else had no idea what you were talking about in regards to the cap huh? Your own math showed 27mil in cap space even before the Tyreek deal and/or Mahomes restructure. Were you just pulling shit out of your ass?

-King- · 03-31-2022, 08:47 AM

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Originally Posted by Chris Meck

You're talking to a guy who wanted to cut Clark and line up UDFA's at edge.

Why do you keep forgetting about me saying I would draft a first round DE? How convenient?

And what were your plans to replace Clark? You were for it until we brought him back.

RunKC · 03-31-2022, 08:54 AM

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Originally Posted by -King-

You made that post before the trade. Before the trade you thought that we had a bunch of ammo. Now suddenly it wasn't enough? Which is it?

And no, this was your plan and math. In your scenario, you not only resigned Hill, but you were able to fill out the defense and have a pretty decent depth chart. Guess you and everyone else had no idea what you were talking about in regards to the cap huh? Your own math showed 27mil in cap space even before the Tyreek deal and/or Mahomes restructure. Were you just pulling shit out of your ass?

Yes I did think that. And then reality happened. We didn’t spend in FA, Mahomes didn’t restructure his contract again and we are still stuck with Frank but freed up a little money compared to what many of us thought was going to be a ton for a June 1st cap hit. I also didn’t realize we were really low on players in general, especially in 2023.

Then the entire division becomes significantly better. And then Christian Kirk broke the WR market for JAG’s which lead to Davante Adams breaking it open for highest paid and suddenly us thinking Tyreek was going to cost $25 million became $30 million.

So yeah. A lot of things have happened since that post to change the landscape of everything.

Chris Meck · 03-31-2022, 09:45 AM

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Originally Posted by -King-

Why do you keep forgetting about me saying I would draft a first round DE? How convenient?

And what were your plans to replace Clark? You were for it until we brought him back.

Because FACTS happened. I don't know why you don't understand that.

The difference between keeping Clark and cutting his is like $1.2m. You can't replace even his very pedestrian production for anywhere near that. And it makes cutting him next year if you want more palatable too.

You wanted to line up a rookie first rounder and a bunch of UDFA scrubs. That's a recipe for disaster. I don't know about you, but I'm really tired of watching the likes of Sorensen and Niemann taking meaningful snaps.

You wanted to restructure everyone and push all the money forward; and the bill comes due, ya know. Then you're screwed, and your stars walk and you've got nothing. Welcome to Seattle.

It's a matter of short term view vs. long term view.

And the short term view is: Look, it's been two years of not good enough. Why are we tripling down on this? Everyone else went all in and loaded up to beat WASP. Now THEY will all be forced to make difficult decisions a couple of years down the road, when we'll be cruising on a bunch of young talent.

The long view is that trading Hill gives us a real chance to BE that dynasty. Keeping Hill...probably not. We're already in diminishing returns. Not because Hill isn't great-but because we can't field enough quality players all around him. What's the point? There isn't one.

I was against it until I realized 1)just what a haul we'd get and 2)Just what keeping him was going to mean in the future.

this is the smart play.

Rip the band-aid off.

03-30-2022, 06:04 PM	#243
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