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Old 04-27-2006, 03:17 PM  
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What would Kiper be?
If Mel Kiper wasn't the self appointed genious of draft day what career would he have?


I can see him in a light green polyester suit trying to sell me a junk car at a third rate car lot.
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Old 04-27-2006, 05:51 PM   #16
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Obviously it's a big guessing game. All it takes a few unexpected moves to derail an entire mock draft. I don't Kiper claims to be any more than he is. He's generally on target on round projections, which is about the best anyone can do.

Here's a ranking of draft prognosticators for percentage of their top 100 that actually got picked in the top 100.

http://www.thehuddlereport.com/top100/index.shtml

Kiper doesn't exactly suck at it.

ESPN needs this RICK GOSSELIN guy.
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Old 04-27-2006, 05:51 PM   #17
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Exactly. So who is a better analyst than him when it comes to the draft? It's not just about who gets who. It's about the players, what they have to offer, what the teams need, etc. He knows his stuff. Doesn't just get paid for his predictions and mocks.
Did he ever play the game at any level?
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Old 04-27-2006, 05:54 PM   #18
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ESPN needs this RICK GOSSELIN guy.
Rick Gosselin writes for the Dallas Morning News and IMO he's the most football-savvy sports reporter in the business. You should consider checking out his articles online. He writes good stuff.

And if he wanted to work for ESPN, he'd be there. My guess is he doesn't want to work for that joke of a station.
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Old 04-27-2006, 05:54 PM   #19
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Did he ever play the game at any level?
What difference does that make?
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Rick Gosselin writes for the Dallas Morning News and IMO he's the most football-savvy sports reporter in the business. You should consider checking out his articles online. He writes good stuff.

And if he wanted to work for ESPN, he'd be there. My guess is he doesn't want to work for that joke of a station.
Here's his mock this year.


1. Houston Reggie Bush
2. New Orleans Matt Leinart
3. Tennessee Jay Cutler
4. N.Y. Jets Mario Williams
5. Green Bay A.J. Hawk
6. San Francisco Vernon Davis
7. Oakland Vince Young
8. Buffalo D'Brickashaw Ferguson
9. Detroit Michael Huff
10. Arizona Haloti Ngata
11. St. Louis Jimmy Williams
12. Cleveland Brodrick Bunkley
13. Baltimore Jonathan Joseph
14. Philadelphia Ernie Sims
15. Denver Manny Lawson
16. Miami Winston Justice
17. Minnesota Chad Greenway
18. Dallas Santonio Holmes
19. San Diego Antonio Cromartie
20. Kansas City Tamba Hali
21. New England Bobby Carpenter
22. Denver Laurence Maroney
23. Tampa Bay John McCargo
24. Cincinnati Donte Whitner
25. N.Y. Giants DeAngelo Williams
26. Chicago Tye Hill
27. Carolina LenDale White
28. Jacksonville Ashton Youboty
29. N.Y. Jets Kamerion Wimbley
30. Indianapolis Joseph Addai
31. Seattle Chris Chester
32. Pittsburgh Jason Allen
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Old 04-27-2006, 06:13 PM   #21
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Did he ever play the game at any level?
Nope. But Tim Grunhard has. Let's just leave it at that.

Kiper has worked in an NFL front office. He's got great contacts. He knows what's going on with the draft more so than anyone else not directly involved. I think that's a safe bet.
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Old 04-27-2006, 06:18 PM   #22
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What difference does that make?
Who said it makes a difference? I just want to know if he did.
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I just don't get "hairdue" Kiper, because the man has never played, coached, or even scouted in the NFL
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I just don't get "hairdue" Kiper, because the man has never played, coached, or even scouted in the NFL
Yeah, I don't know. We're talking about a league where there's a guy like Bill Belichick who never played a down of NFL football who's a "genius", and then on the other end you have Matt Millen, who was a good player... and as a GM, well it speaks for itself. I'm not a huge Kiper fan but he doesn't seem any less knowledgable than some of these guys who are actually making the picks.
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I just don't get "hairdue" Kiper, because the man has never played, coached, or even scouted in the NFL
What does it matter? If you know your shit, you know your shit.

Case and Point: This is long, but I promise you, it's well worth the read.

http://apse.dallasnews.com/contest/2...es.second.html
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What does it matter? If you know your shit, you know your shit.
Shit!!!!!!!

Kiper knowing his stuff is like saying Osama Bid Laden has a Christmas tree in December
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Shit!!!!!!!

Kiper knowing his stuff is like saying Osama Bid Laden has a Christmas tree in December
Who's better at the draft-time gig than Kiper?
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Kiper is okay by me. He scores a solid 70 on the unintentionaly comedy scale. I'd rather watch someone that is passionate about what they do and has some personality quirks than another ex-jock who's opinion isn't any better informed than the average fans.
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Kiper is okay by me. He scores a solid 70 on the unintentionaly comedy scale. I'd rather watch someone that is passionate about what they do and has some personality quirks than another ex-jock who's opinion isn't any better informed than the average fans.
Nice take, Bill Simmons.
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Nice take, Bill Simmons.
Hey, I'm not above stealing an idea that I find useful. Next time I'll give a citation in a footnote.
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