Whitlock Part 2.... - Page 2

Deberg_1990 · 04-18-2007, 06:18 PM

Yes, its mostly about the (old hat) Imus stuff, but some of it could actually be applied to the Cho events of the past few days...

Jason is making too much sense...good read...

http://www.kansascity.com/182/story/74573.html

Pop culture is huge threat
Dangerous influences in entertainment are impeding parents as they attempt to raise their children.
By JASON WHITLOCK - Columnist

This column will return to the hardcore sports world soon. We’ll get back to the Royals, Trent Green, Will Shields, the draft and Brandon Rush’s stay-or-go decision (he should stay) in just a few days.

But I still have a couple of things I need to say about Don Imus and the very necessary discussions his ignorant attempt at humor has spawned.

Today I want to talk about pop culture in general and hip-hop/prison culture in particular and why we need to rethink old ideas about their ability to influence us.

Pop culture is on steroids now. It’s bigger and badder than it’s ever been. It’s pervasive, inescapable and powerful enough to override good parenting.

Read that again: It’s pervasive, inescapable and powerful enough to override good parenting.

The naïve argue that hip hop and other youth cultures are harmless. Good parents know better. They realize that it is no longer 1968. They know there’s a television in every room, wireless Internet all over the house, an iPod for every child, a cable channel for every perversion, call-waiting, text messaging, DVR and “Flavor of Love.”

Pop culture is like ants in the spring. You can’t keep ants out of your house, and you can’t keep pop culture out of your kid’s head.

This isn’t the good old days when only a select few people had access to your child’s brain. Remember when there was one TV, three channels, a single record player and one phone line for an entire house? It was easy to parent then because there were far fewer voices to compete against.

The Beatles might have sung a song that made old folks uncomfortable, but a child didn’t hear that tune very often. There was no television network for young rock stars to play their music nonstop and espouse their immature life philosophies on a daily basis. Just think of the destruction had Jim Morrison or Jimi Hendrix had access to your child’s mind 24 hours a day.

Snoop Dogg can speak to your child daily, and he does. He and many other entertainers of every color are abusing that privilege. They’re corrupting minds and redefining cultural norms that were once set by people of intelligence.

This is most problematic in America’s black community because the family structure for black children is too often unstable. One mother working hard to raise a child or two has less access to her children’s brains than BET — Black Exploitation Television.

I was lucky enough to have two good parents who, although divorced, remained heavily involved in my life and my brother’s. I vividly remember being a latch-key kid as a grade-schooler and watching “Leave it to Beaver” while I waited for my brother to get home from junior high.

Do you think there are kids at home alone now who watch “Leave it to Beaver” rather than Black Exploitation Television, MTV or playing a violent video game?

Kids are the same. The world is drastically different. We have to adjust.

When do kids have quiet time and the time to read? They throw on iPods and tune out the world their parents have created.

When I taped the “The Oprah Winfrey Show” on Monday, you could feel the passion the mostly female audience had about the negative influences of hip-hop/prison culture. Pop culture, not just hip hop, is interfering with their ability to properly raise their children. They haven’t figured out why and how pop culture is short-circuiting their efforts. They just know that it has, and they want it to stop.

It takes a village.

And right now our idiots are allowed to run wild in the minds of our children. It wasn’t like that 30 years ago. The idiots used to make rebellious songs that we might hear once a day on the radio, and we might see the idiots three times a year on “Soul Train” or “American Bandstand.” The idiots were contained. And they were pretty much nonviolent.

The idiots are running the world now, and they’re telling our kids to sell crack and shoot each other over the slightest disrespect. We’ve even dressed the idiots up and passed them off as respectable, influential members of society. Snoop Dogg is as mainstream as apple pie.

Any intelligent person who thinks today’s pop culture is as harmless as yesterday’s hasn’t raised a child, or he has a financial stake in the continuation of the cultural genocide.

Hammock Parties · 04-18-2007, 07:16 PM

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Originally Posted by Silock

Why not?

I always look forward to his column.

**KcMizzou** · 04-18-2007, 07:17 PM

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Originally Posted by Deberg_1990

Hell no, has he ever once mentioned censorship?? He just wants the entertainment and rap industy in particular to police themselves....

There will always be a place to find vulgarity. People demand it, and other people will supply it.

I guess what I'm saying is.... there's no way to fix this problem without censorship... and that's against everything we stand for.

(A bit melodramatic, but you get the point)

Deberg_1990 · 04-18-2007, 07:20 PM

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Originally Posted by KcMizzou

That's pissing in the wind.

There are no easy answers. Stop the glamorization of the gangster, thug, prison culture and the misogynistic treatment of women.

**KcMizzou** · 04-18-2007, 07:20 PM

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Originally Posted by Deberg_1990

There are no easy answers. Stop the glamorization of the gangster, thug, prison culture and the misogynistic treatment of women.

Ok, how?

**KcMizzou** · 04-18-2007, 07:23 PM

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Originally Posted by Deberg_1990

There are no easy answers.

Exactly.

I have no idea what should be done about it. I agree that it's a problem. You can't expect it to just stop... and you'd better not censor it.

We have ratings boards for this sort of thing, but supposedly it's not working. I'm not sure what's next.

Dr. Johnny Fever · 04-18-2007, 07:25 PM

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Originally Posted by KcMizzou

Ok... say he's right. Where does it all lead? Censorship?

I'm sure as hell not for that.

In the end, it's personal and parental responsibility.

Yes, your children will be exposed to these things. It's your job to teach then the difference between reality and entertainment.

I agree. It's really just the natural progression of things that we as a society get more and more "questionable" content shoved in our faces. More technology, the quest for ratings and sales dollars... there's really no way to stop our "thirst" for more. Unfortunately when we get more, some of it is bound to be innappropriate, and with technology and the ease of delivery now, it gonna get to kids and people who shouldn't be exposed.

I don't know what the answer is. I guess I would support making it harder for people to get ahold of porn, music with nasty lyrics, etc. Theatres and parents could actually enforce not letting kids see movies that are rated for people older than they are. Same for video games. I still don't think doing those things would solve the problem though.

Deberg_1990 · 04-18-2007, 07:28 PM

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Originally Posted by KcMizzou

Ok, how?

Im not sure how....the rap and black community will have to come up with a culture shift of epic proportions.

Somewhere along the line about 20 years ago, it became "hip and cool" to glamorize the ghetto lifestyle and its just sort of snowballed out of control.

There has always been music about the ghetto lifestyle, but it wasnt glamorized like it is today.....

We need to educate our kids that this lifestyle to nothing to aspire to.

Its going to take time....

**KcMizzou** · 04-18-2007, 07:29 PM

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Originally Posted by beer me

I agree. It's really just the natural progression of things that we as a society get more and more "questionable" content shoved in our faces. More technology, the quest for ratings and sales dollars... there's really no way to stop our "thirst" for more. Unfortunately when we get more, some of it is bound to be innappropriate, and with technology and the ease of delivery now, it gonna get to kids and people who shouldn't be exposed.

I don't know what the answer is. I guess I would support making it harder for people to get ahold of porn, music with nasty lyrics, etc. Theatres and parents could actually enforce not letting kids see movies that are rated for people older than they are. Same for video games. I still don't think doing those things would solve the problem though.

Totally agree.

Extra Point · 04-18-2007, 07:30 PM

I don't care if he gets 15 minutes out of this. He's right.

Silock · 04-18-2007, 07:31 PM

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Originally Posted by beer me

I guess I would support making it harder for people to get ahold of porn,

WHAT?!?!?! NEG REP!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

**KcMizzou** · 04-18-2007, 07:32 PM

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Originally Posted by Deberg_1990

Im not sure how....the rap and black community will have to come up with a culture shift of epic proportions.

1. Nobody is...

2. That's asking a lot.

**KcMizzou** · 04-18-2007, 07:32 PM

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Originally Posted by Silock

WHAT?!?!?! NEG REP!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Change "people" to "minors".

el borracho · 04-18-2007, 07:54 PM

"This is most problematic in America’s black community because the family structure for black children is too often unstable. One mother working hard to raise a child or two has less access to her children’s brains than BET — Black Exploitation Television."

Parenting is the key- fix that and numerous other problems will diminish. African American parents need to do a better job of raising their kids. Sorry, but it is true. Education, values, self-esteem, and expectations need to become high priorities for parents. Even Michael Jackson knew that.

"If you can't feed your baby
Then don't have a baby
And don't think maybe
If you can't feed your baby
You'll be always tryin'
To stop that child from cryin'
Hustlin', stealin', lyin'
Now baby's slowly dyin'"

Dr. Johnny Fever · 04-18-2007, 07:56 PM

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Originally Posted by KcMizzou

Change "people" to "minors".

What he said...

**wazu** · 04-18-2007, 10:34 PM

Whitlock's recent crusade is an inspiration. He is daring to challenge the true "establishment", which I respect.

The day Jason Whitlock stops writing for the Star will be a day that KC loses a piece of it's soul.

04-18-2007, 06:18 PM
Deberg_1990 In Search of a Life Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: San Antonio Tx. Casino cash: $3734454	Whitlock Part 2.... Yes, its mostly about the (old hat) Imus stuff, but some of it could actually be applied to the Cho events of the past few days... Jason is making too much sense...good read... http://www.kansascity.com/182/story/74573.html Pop culture is huge threat Dangerous influences in entertainment are impeding parents as they attempt to raise their children. By JASON WHITLOCK - Columnist This column will return to the hardcore sports world soon. We’ll get back to the Royals, Trent Green, Will Shields, the draft and Brandon Rush’s stay-or-go decision (he should stay) in just a few days. But I still have a couple of things I need to say about Don Imus and the very necessary discussions his ignorant attempt at humor has spawned. Today I want to talk about pop culture in general and hip-hop/prison culture in particular and why we need to rethink old ideas about their ability to influence us. Pop culture is on steroids now. It’s bigger and badder than it’s ever been. It’s pervasive, inescapable and powerful enough to override good parenting. Read that again: It’s pervasive, inescapable and powerful enough to override good parenting. The naïve argue that hip hop and other youth cultures are harmless. Good parents know better. They realize that it is no longer 1968. They know there’s a television in every room, wireless Internet all over the house, an iPod for every child, a cable channel for every perversion, call-waiting, text messaging, DVR and “Flavor of Love.” Pop culture is like ants in the spring. You can’t keep ants out of your house, and you can’t keep pop culture out of your kid’s head. This isn’t the good old days when only a select few people had access to your child’s brain. Remember when there was one TV, three channels, a single record player and one phone line for an entire house? It was easy to parent then because there were far fewer voices to compete against. The Beatles might have sung a song that made old folks uncomfortable, but a child didn’t hear that tune very often. There was no television network for young rock stars to play their music nonstop and espouse their immature life philosophies on a daily basis. Just think of the destruction had Jim Morrison or Jimi Hendrix had access to your child’s mind 24 hours a day. Snoop Dogg can speak to your child daily, and he does. He and many other entertainers of every color are abusing that privilege. They’re corrupting minds and redefining cultural norms that were once set by people of intelligence. This is most problematic in America’s black community because the family structure for black children is too often unstable. One mother working hard to raise a child or two has less access to her children’s brains than BET — Black Exploitation Television. I was lucky enough to have two good parents who, although divorced, remained heavily involved in my life and my brother’s. I vividly remember being a latch-key kid as a grade-schooler and watching “Leave it to Beaver” while I waited for my brother to get home from junior high. Do you think there are kids at home alone now who watch “Leave it to Beaver” rather than Black Exploitation Television, MTV or playing a violent video game? Kids are the same. The world is drastically different. We have to adjust. When do kids have quiet time and the time to read? They throw on iPods and tune out the world their parents have created. When I taped the “The Oprah Winfrey Show” on Monday, you could feel the passion the mostly female audience had about the negative influences of hip-hop/prison culture. Pop culture, not just hip hop, is interfering with their ability to properly raise their children. They haven’t figured out why and how pop culture is short-circuiting their efforts. They just know that it has, and they want it to stop. It takes a village. And right now our idiots are allowed to run wild in the minds of our children. It wasn’t like that 30 years ago. The idiots used to make rebellious songs that we might hear once a day on the radio, and we might see the idiots three times a year on “Soul Train” or “American Bandstand.” The idiots were contained. And they were pretty much nonviolent. The idiots are running the world now, and they’re telling our kids to sell crack and shoot each other over the slightest disrespect. We’ve even dressed the idiots up and passed them off as respectable, influential members of society. Snoop Dogg is as mainstream as apple pie. Any intelligent person who thinks today’s pop culture is as harmless as yesterday’s hasn’t raised a child, or he has a financial stake in the continuation of the cultural genocide.
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