Gretz: Fins caved when the King put his foot down - Page 2

shaneo69 · 06-10-2007, 08:18 AM

GRETZ: Finally
Jun 06, 2007, 2:49:52 PM by Bob Gretz

So finally it’s done.

The Chiefs and Dolphins agreed to terms on a deal for Trent Green on Tuesday morning, sending the team’s former starting quarterback to south Florida for a fifth-round draft choice.

That compensation will rise to a fourth-round pick if Green plays more than 70 percent of the offensive snaps for Miami. Only injury will keep that from happening, so the Chiefs will get a fourth-round pick in the 2008 NFL Draft.

Green passed a physical in Miami on Wednesday and he’ll be on the field for the team’s mini-camp this weekend.

In the end, the Dolphins blinked. They had been stuck for months on their position of offering only a sixth-round choice for Green. No matter what offer the Chiefs put on the table over the last six weeks, and there were many different packages suggested, the Dolphins said no, just a sixth rounder. The Chiefs made conditional offers, straight offers, they submitted a list of veteran players on the Dolphins roster. Always the ‘Fins said no deal.

Miami could have had Green for a sixth-round choice on the first day of the NFL Draft, but they wouldn’t swap positions in the third round. That 11-spot movement along with the sixth rounder would have given the Chiefs fourth-round value, while the Dolphins could have said they gave up only a sixth. It was a win-win and they said no.

In reality, the Chiefs did everything they could to get a deal done with Miami with one exception: they were not going to give Green away. A sixth-round pick for a starting NFL quarterback is giving the guy away. That’s trading the triggerman of your offense for Jimmy Wilkerson, or Will Svitek, or Khari Long, or Tre Stallings, or Jeff Webb … all recent sixth round picks.

The Dolphins thought the Chiefs were bluffing. They learned otherwise. Ultimately it came down to this: the Chiefs told the Dolphins the deal was going to happen on Tuesday, or there would be no deal. They were prepared, as Carl Peterson had said all along, to take Green into training camp and the 2007 season. Had the deal not been consummated, discussions would have ended and the matter closed.

Green was not at Arrowhead Stadium on Tuesday, despite an on-field OTA session; he’s made all of those practices before that one. It’s a good guess that he was at home, working the phone to his agent and telling him to get the Dolphins off the sixth-round pick, because this was make or break time. Green has made it very plain that he wanted no part of the quarterback competition that Herm Edwards has set up for this season. Why he was reluctant to compete for the job is something Green hasn’t fully explained, other than to say he thought the situation was weighted in favor of Brodie Croyle.

In meeting with Chiefs brass over the weekend, Green came to understand that Arrowhead’s patience with the Dolphins and him were dramatically fading. His public campaigning to get out of town had only solidified the Chiefs stance on this deal: they were not going to give him away. It was time for the Dolphins to put up and Green to shut up.

If Green holds up physically, the Chiefs will get a fourth-round pick, which in recent years has brought players like Jared Allen and Donnie Edwards. Not every fourth rounder works out, but the odds are greatly increased that they have enough ability to make a contribution.

In the end, here’s what the Dolphins and Green learned: despite the analysis of pundits and even Green’s own agent, the Chiefs had all the leverage in this situation. They had Green, had him under contract, and were willing to carry his price tag. They were not going to give him away.

They stuck to their guns, the Dolphins blinked and now everybody gets to move on.

http://www.kcchiefs.com/news/2007/06/06/gretz_finally/

htismaqe · 06-10-2007, 10:22 AM

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Originally Posted by mikey23545

Just burns your ass Carl pulled this off, doesn't it?....

Yep.

**the Talking Can** · 06-10-2007, 10:28 AM

Carl concludes his negotiations with Miami.

**the Talking Can** · 06-10-2007, 10:30 AM

what a bunch of red asses

Carl did a good job for once, just admit it and move on...

Delano · 06-10-2007, 10:31 AM

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Originally Posted by The Bad Guy

Exactly.

They are making it seem they won some huge standoff.

I'll bet a lot of money that if the Dolphins suck come November, Beck will get the snaps and that 70% tag won't happen - meaning the Dolphins then win.

It's nice that teams like the Patriots and Colts beat their chests over winning Super Bowls.

This organization thinks it won the SB by getting a 4th rounder.

I can't speak for the organization but I feel that this transaction was successful because it helps carry the team in the direction they want to go. Building a quality roster through the draft and smart free agency moves. A super bowl? No. Another step in the right direction? Yes.

Even if we get a fifth rounder in 2008 from Trent, who knows what may fall in the Chiefs' lap? If the Dolphins do indeed go with Beck, that pick could be very high in the fifth. I'd say that is worth more than a lame duck QB garnering negative attention.

mikey23545 · 06-10-2007, 10:44 AM

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Originally Posted by the Talking Can

Carl concludes his negotiations with Miami.

Ok, I blew some coffee out my nose on that one....Repworthy.

kcxiv · 06-10-2007, 10:48 AM

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Originally Posted by shaneo69

The tone of this article pretty much explains why I have no respect whatsoever for Peterson/Gretz.

Tone of the article was great, i Rather have a hard ass GM then a softy.

Direckshun · 06-10-2007, 11:26 AM

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Originally Posted by The Bad Guy

It's nice that teams like the Patriots and Colts beat their chests over winning Super Bowls.

This organization thinks it won the SB by getting a 4th rounder.

What the **** are you talking about?

Seriously. What the **** are you talking about?

Chiefaholic · 06-10-2007, 11:33 AM

The Chiefs could have traded Green for two 1st round picks and certain people on this board would still bitch. Carl got reasonable compensation for a well respected QB who had no more than two years left befor retirement. It's about damn time we got something in return, rather than being left empty handed when star players move on.

shaneo69 · 06-10-2007, 01:48 PM

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Originally Posted by mikey23545

Just burns your ass Carl pulled this off, doesn't it?....

Pulled what off?

Acquiring a 5th rounder?

Keep drinkin' the Kool-Aid...

shaneo69 · 06-10-2007, 01:56 PM

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Originally Posted by kcxiv

Tone of the article was great, i Rather have a hard ass GM then a softy.

I just find it funny that a trade for a 5th round pick merits three articles on the official site to praise the king for such a job well done.

Warrior5 · 06-10-2007, 02:16 PM

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Originally Posted by shaneo69

I just find it funny that a trade for a 5th round pick merits three articles on the official site to praise the king for such a job well done.

If you want to bag on Gretz for being CPs chogey boy, fire away by all means.

But like him or not, Carl did good on this one. The media painted Carl and Green as the bad guys during this issue, but in reality the Dolphins were being the ass-hats.

I'm glad Carl stood firm.

kcxiv · 06-10-2007, 02:22 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by shaneo69

I just find it funny that a trade for a 5th round pick merits three articles on the official site to praise the king for such a job well done.

not me, becuase its still the offseason.

The Rick · 06-10-2007, 03:20 PM

I wish I could find the thread that was active when the talk of trading Green first surface. MANY here said things like:

1. We'll never get more than a 7th rounder for someone we're likely going to cut.

2. Carl should be happy to get a 6th or 7th for him.

3. Getting anything more than a 6th for him would be a steal.

Now that Carl goes out and gets something that will more than likely be a 4th, he's still being ripped.

Oregon chief · 06-10-2007, 03:32 PM

Anybody have the article posted on espn about larry johnson catching more balls out of the backfield next season. Its for insiders

ChiefsCountry · 06-10-2007, 03:36 PM

I really dont get all the Gretz bashing. I guarantee everybody here would write an ass kissing article about your boss for the company's website.

06-10-2007, 08:18 AM
shaneo69 Smug Weasel Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: Bleachers at Busch Casino cash: $10004900	Gretz: Fins caved when the King put his foot down GRETZ: Finally Jun 06, 2007, 2:49:52 PM by Bob Gretz So finally it’s done. The Chiefs and Dolphins agreed to terms on a deal for Trent Green on Tuesday morning, sending the team’s former starting quarterback to south Florida for a fifth-round draft choice. That compensation will rise to a fourth-round pick if Green plays more than 70 percent of the offensive snaps for Miami. Only injury will keep that from happening, so the Chiefs will get a fourth-round pick in the 2008 NFL Draft. Green passed a physical in Miami on Wednesday and he’ll be on the field for the team’s mini-camp this weekend. In the end, the Dolphins blinked. They had been stuck for months on their position of offering only a sixth-round choice for Green. No matter what offer the Chiefs put on the table over the last six weeks, and there were many different packages suggested, the Dolphins said no, just a sixth rounder. The Chiefs made conditional offers, straight offers, they submitted a list of veteran players on the Dolphins roster. Always the ‘Fins said no deal. Miami could have had Green for a sixth-round choice on the first day of the NFL Draft, but they wouldn’t swap positions in the third round. That 11-spot movement along with the sixth rounder would have given the Chiefs fourth-round value, while the Dolphins could have said they gave up only a sixth. It was a win-win and they said no. In reality, the Chiefs did everything they could to get a deal done with Miami with one exception: they were not going to give Green away. A sixth-round pick for a starting NFL quarterback is giving the guy away. That’s trading the triggerman of your offense for Jimmy Wilkerson, or Will Svitek, or Khari Long, or Tre Stallings, or Jeff Webb … all recent sixth round picks. The Dolphins thought the Chiefs were bluffing. They learned otherwise. Ultimately it came down to this: the Chiefs told the Dolphins the deal was going to happen on Tuesday, or there would be no deal. They were prepared, as Carl Peterson had said all along, to take Green into training camp and the 2007 season. Had the deal not been consummated, discussions would have ended and the matter closed. Green was not at Arrowhead Stadium on Tuesday, despite an on-field OTA session; he’s made all of those practices before that one. It’s a good guess that he was at home, working the phone to his agent and telling him to get the Dolphins off the sixth-round pick, because this was make or break time. Green has made it very plain that he wanted no part of the quarterback competition that Herm Edwards has set up for this season. Why he was reluctant to compete for the job is something Green hasn’t fully explained, other than to say he thought the situation was weighted in favor of Brodie Croyle. In meeting with Chiefs brass over the weekend, Green came to understand that Arrowhead’s patience with the Dolphins and him were dramatically fading. His public campaigning to get out of town had only solidified the Chiefs stance on this deal: they were not going to give him away. It was time for the Dolphins to put up and Green to shut up. If Green holds up physically, the Chiefs will get a fourth-round pick, which in recent years has brought players like Jared Allen and Donnie Edwards. Not every fourth rounder works out, but the odds are greatly increased that they have enough ability to make a contribution. In the end, here’s what the Dolphins and Green learned: despite the analysis of pundits and even Green’s own agent, the Chiefs had all the leverage in this situation. They had Green, had him under contract, and were willing to carry his price tag. They were not going to give him away. They stuck to their guns, the Dolphins blinked and now everybody gets to move on. http://www.kcchiefs.com/news/2007/06/06/gretz_finally/
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06-10-2007, 10:28 AM	#17
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06-10-2007, 10:30 AM	#18
the Talking Can Supporter Join Date: Aug 2001 Location: street Casino cash: $10022208	what a bunch of red asses Carl did a good job for once, just admit it and move on... __________________ Clark Hunt: "Thank god for the Dominican pool boy"
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06-10-2007, 11:33 AM	#23
Chiefaholic Veteran Join Date: Aug 2000 Casino cash: $2122344	The Chiefs could have traded Green for two 1st round picks and certain people on this board would still bitch. Carl got reasonable compensation for a well respected QB who had no more than two years left befor retirement. It's about damn time we got something in return, rather than being left empty handed when star players move on.
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06-10-2007, 03:20 PM	#28
The Rick Veteran Join Date: Aug 2000 Location: Milwaukee, WI Casino cash: $7541320	I wish I could find the thread that was active when the talk of trading Green first surface. MANY here said things like: 1. We'll never get more than a 7th rounder for someone we're likely going to cut. 2. Carl should be happy to get a 6th or 7th for him. 3. Getting anything more than a 6th for him would be a steal. Now that Carl goes out and gets something that will more than likely be a 4th, he's still being ripped.
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06-10-2007, 03:36 PM	#30
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