Chiefs Whose fault is Tamba Hali? - Page 2

unothadeal · 01-17-2009, 07:58 PM

Are the coaches to blame for Hali's drop off in numbers? His first two seasons he had 8 and 7.5 sacks. This season he only had 3. Is it not the same three coaches (Edwards, Gunther, Krumrie) coaching him throughout his career?

Why all of a sudden do his sack numbers drop so significantly?

Is it Hali himself who isn't motivated? What happened to Herm's motivational skills?

Is Hali a 1st round bust just like Ryan Sims who's lack of talent was hidden by Jared Allen's great play?

Are the coaches to blame for his 3 sacks this season or is Hali?

**Skip Towne** · 01-17-2009, 08:14 PM

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Originally Posted by L.A.Chieffan

hay guyz what do you think about Hali being moved to RE? you think that that might have been it. i bet it was because he got moved to RE. Hes's not a RE. they shouldnt have moved him to RE. hes ok but not at RE. RE is bad for Hali. if he stayed at LE he wouldve been okl but not at RE

Do you think moving to RE had anything to do with it?

booger · 01-17-2009, 08:18 PM

Chiefs had Glenn Dorsey Play too Heavy? --
Sat Jan 17, 2009 --from FFMastermind.com

The Houston Chronicle reports the Kansas City Chiefs were disappointed with the play of rookie DT Glenn Dorsey but they only have themselves to blame because they had him playing about 15 pounds too heavy. He needs to be closer to 300 pounds rather than 315-320.

booger · 01-17-2009, 08:21 PM

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Originally Posted by Skip Towne

Do you think moving to RE had anything to do with it?

I think it was even more than that. It wasn't just RE it was Allen's old spot. I got that from reading offseason articles that Tamba put way too much pressure on himself to become the new sack leader on the DL instead of just improving his play. Same thing with DJ. Early on in the offseason workouts DJ was talking to the media all the time and was pressed into a leadership role. Neither one really worked out too well.

**Buehler445** · 01-17-2009, 08:22 PM

With the amount of first day talent on the team, its either the coaches blow ass at talent evaluation or blow ass at coaching it up. Either way, its coaching.

FringeNC · 01-17-2009, 08:24 PM

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Originally Posted by booger

Chiefs had Glenn Dorsey Play too Heavy? --
Sat Jan 17, 2009 --from FFMastermind.com

The Houston Chronicle reports the Kansas City Chiefs were disappointed with the play of rookie DT Glenn Dorsey but they only have themselves to blame because they had him playing about 15 pounds too heavy. He needs to be closer to 300 pounds rather than 315-320.

Herm and Gun

Hammock Parties · 01-17-2009, 08:25 PM

That sounds like a lame excuse to me, to be quite honest. Lots of good players in this league have been effective playing overweight. Sure they weren't as good as they could have been, but they still made plays.

bowener · 01-17-2009, 08:31 PM

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Originally Posted by Mecca

I'm not sure what a coach can do for him..

He's a physically maxed out player that was pretty polished the day he was drafted, a guy like that isn't going to get a whole lot better. When the league starts figuring him out he has to find another way to make plays because he doesn't have the pure talent to just beat a guy.

When you have all the moves and techniques down but don't have great talent this is what happens...you can't just teach a guy to grow more talent.

**cough** HGH **cough**

booger · 01-17-2009, 08:33 PM

Gun just tries to recreate past D's that were sucessfull. I get a kick out of people that act like it's because Herm forces the cover two on him. With weak corners in the past that's about all we could do. We played much, much more man with Flowers and Carr, at least until Flowers was hurt. Gun fools around and plays DJ at WLB while that makes sense, if they were going to do that they shouldn't have signed Demo Williams to play SLB. DJ played pretty well at SLB and was at his best as a pass rusher from a 2 point stance rushing RT's.

He played Boone at DE because when he was with the Titans Kevin Carter played DE at 317 lbs and was effective. Too bad they aren't the same player. Like he tried to turn Bell into another Anthony Davis.

He had Williams rushing the passer the first couple of weaks of the season from a stand up spot of the left side while he had a cast covering his whole hand. Later the cast comes off and he doesn't see the field until injuries put him back in and then he never rushed the passer like he did earlier in the season and like he did at Nebraska.

You can't falt him for losing Allen but he really deserves criticism for not playing to the strengths of what he had to work with.

Pretty obvious things were blowing up in his face like coaching LB's as well when they bring in Bunting as a D consultant after only 6 weaks of the season.

booger · 01-17-2009, 08:37 PM

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Originally Posted by Claythan

That sounds like a lame excuse to me, to be quite honest. Lots of good players in this league have been effective playing overweight. Sure they weren't as good as they could have been, but they still made plays.

Makes sense as to were they played him, more as a 2technique. Herm kept saying early on he had trouble with his counter moves and needed to develop them. Gun seemed thrilled with Tank's offseason work and losing weight and put him at the DLT spot to reword him for it while not realizing how that would effect dorsey.

They didn't rotate DT's very well either. Both guys seemed gassed too much to me and Ron Edwards sat his ass on the bench while he could have played much more in a rotation.

With some of these younger guys they just treated it like it was preseason all season long.

Cosmos · 01-17-2009, 08:48 PM

Explain how Jimmy Wilkerson became a player in TB?

1 career sack in 5 seasons here, and suddenly 5 sack in TB this year.

BigRock · 01-17-2009, 08:50 PM

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Originally Posted by Mecca

When you have all the moves and techniques down

I've seen no evidence that Hali has all the moves and techniques down.

Mecca · 01-17-2009, 08:55 PM

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Originally Posted by BigRock

I've seen no evidence that Hali has all the moves and techniques down.

Well he isn't beating anyone by being a physical freak...

Vermiel had bad drafts but the Hali, Pollard etc draft wasn't an improvement.

**the Talking Can** · 01-17-2009, 08:58 PM

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Originally Posted by booger

Gun just tries to recreate past D's that were sucessfull. I get a kick out of people that act like it's because Herm forces the cover two on him. With weak corners in the past that's about all we could do. We played much, much more man with Flowers and Carr, at least until Flowers was hurt. Gun fools around and plays DJ at WLB while that makes sense, if they were going to do that they shouldn't have signed Demo Williams to play SLB. DJ played pretty well at SLB and was at his best as a pass rusher from a 2 point stance rushing RT's.

He played Boone at DE because when he was with the Titans Kevin Carter played DE at 317 lbs and was effective. Too bad they aren't the same player. Like he tried to turn Bell into another Anthony Davis.

He had Williams rushing the passer the first couple of weaks of the season from a stand up spot of the left side while he had a cast covering his whole hand. Later the cast comes off and he doesn't see the field until injuries put him back in and then he never rushed the passer like he did earlier in the season and like he did at Nebraska.

You can't falt him for losing Allen but he really deserves criticism for not playing to the strengths of what he had to work with.

Pretty obvious things were blowing up in his face like coaching LB's as well when they bring in Bunting as a D consultant after only 6 weaks of the season.

great post

and his last abortion of an idea: DJ as MLB

blueballs · 01-17-2009, 09:06 PM

his strength was in his dreads

booger · 01-17-2009, 09:07 PM

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Originally Posted by the Talking Can

great post

and his last abortion of an idea: DJ as MLB

DJ has been moved around so damned much, had 3 LB coaches. He needs to step it up himself but all the other crap doesn't help him out either.

I'd like to see us play a ravens style hybrid D. DJ might fit a type of Suggs type role, rushing and coverage. Might be better for dorsey as well if Pioli gets the right HC and or DC and players.

I admire how they could take a guy like Adalius Thomas 6'2 270 and make him such a big part of it. The pats took notice and signed him.

Not from an athletic standpoint but a size and agility comparrason, McBride sizes up about the same way. 6'2 278 and lanky.

They find the tweener guys in the draft that may not fit and plug them in just like the true 34 teams like the steelers do. That's why i'd love Rex Ryan.

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unothadeal HOF 20?? Join Date: Dec 2006 Casino cash: $3206120	Whose fault is Tamba Hali? Are the coaches to blame for Hali's drop off in numbers? His first two seasons he had 8 and 7.5 sacks. This season he only had 3. Is it not the same three coaches (Edwards, Gunther, Krumrie) coaching him throughout his career? Why all of a sudden do his sack numbers drop so significantly? Is it Hali himself who isn't motivated? What happened to Herm's motivational skills? Is Hali a 1st round bust just like Ryan Sims who's lack of talent was hidden by Jared Allen's great play? Are the coaches to blame for his 3 sacks this season or is Hali?
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01-17-2009, 08:18 PM	#17
booger Don't Tug on Superman's Cape Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: clear out in the sticks Casino cash: $-2451450	Chiefs had Glenn Dorsey Play too Heavy? -- Sat Jan 17, 2009 --from FFMastermind.com The Houston Chronicle reports the Kansas City Chiefs were disappointed with the play of rookie DT Glenn Dorsey but they only have themselves to blame because they had him playing about 15 pounds too heavy. He needs to be closer to 300 pounds rather than 315-320. __________________ 1 Thessalonians 5:3 “For when they shall say, Peace and safety; then sudden destruction cometh upon them, as travail upon a woman with child; and they shall not escape.” KJV
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01-17-2009, 08:25 PM	#21
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01-17-2009, 08:33 PM	#23
booger Don't Tug on Superman's Cape Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: clear out in the sticks Casino cash: $-2451450	Gun just tries to recreate past D's that were sucessfull. I get a kick out of people that act like it's because Herm forces the cover two on him. With weak corners in the past that's about all we could do. We played much, much more man with Flowers and Carr, at least until Flowers was hurt. Gun fools around and plays DJ at WLB while that makes sense, if they were going to do that they shouldn't have signed Demo Williams to play SLB. DJ played pretty well at SLB and was at his best as a pass rusher from a 2 point stance rushing RT's. He played Boone at DE because when he was with the Titans Kevin Carter played DE at 317 lbs and was effective. Too bad they aren't the same player. Like he tried to turn Bell into another Anthony Davis. He had Williams rushing the passer the first couple of weaks of the season from a stand up spot of the left side while he had a cast covering his whole hand. Later the cast comes off and he doesn't see the field until injuries put him back in and then he never rushed the passer like he did earlier in the season and like he did at Nebraska. You can't falt him for losing Allen but he really deserves criticism for not playing to the strengths of what he had to work with. Pretty obvious things were blowing up in his face like coaching LB's as well when they bring in Bunting as a D consultant after only 6 weaks of the season. __________________ 1 Thessalonians 5:3 “For when they shall say, Peace and safety; then sudden destruction cometh upon them, as travail upon a woman with child; and they shall not escape.” KJV
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