Chiefs Tradeback ? - Page 2

bigdreams1 · 01-19-2009, 05:00 PM

If we were to trade back with say the bengals or 49ers so that they could get crabtree before Seattle, what kind of compensation would we be receiving? Im just curious because I have seen this discussed frequently on the planet. I know that trades in the top 5 are pretty infrequent, but just been wondering lately.

Thanks

KChiefs1 · 01-19-2009, 05:20 PM

I'm probably calculating this wrong but if say the Eagles decide they want Crabtree before Seattle or Oakland choose him they'd have to give the Chiefs the following:

21st pick - first round
28th pick - first round
next year's #1 pick
53rd pick - second round

That's a lot to give up but if they really wanted him....

**DaKCMan AP** · 01-19-2009, 05:20 PM

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Originally Posted by penguinz

Think about it. When that chart was made the salaries were no where near what they are today. Why do you think you do not see as many top pick trades as there were in the past?

From last year's (2008) draft using the draft value chart:

New England trades #7, #164 = 1526.8
New Orleans trades #10, #78 = 1500

Detroit trades #15, #76 = 1260
Kansas City trades #17, #66, $136 = 1248

Houston trades #18 = 900
Baltimore trades #26, #89, #173 = 868.2

**pr_capone** · 01-19-2009, 05:21 PM

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Originally Posted by KChiefs1

I'm probably calculating this wrong but if say the Eagles decide they want Crabtree before Seattle or Oakland choose him they'd have to give the Chiefs the following:

21st pick - first round
28th pick - first round
next year's #1 pick
53rd pick - second round

That's a lot to give up but if they really wanted him....

I could live with that

Mecca · 01-19-2009, 05:22 PM

LOL, the Eagles are not moving up for a WR, they've drafted exactly 1 first round WR in Reids entire stay there..

They devalue the WR and LB positions....expect them to stand pat and take some OT's as their guys are getting very old and they badly wanted Albert last year.

**DaKCMan AP** · 01-19-2009, 05:22 PM

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Originally Posted by KChiefs1

I'm probably calculating this wrong but if say the Eagles decide they want Crabtree before Seattle or Oakland choose him they'd have to give the Chiefs the following:

21st pick - first round
28th pick - first round
next year's #1 pick
53rd pick - second round

That's a lot to give up but if they really wanted him....

Unrealistic.

**DaFace** · 01-19-2009, 05:22 PM

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Originally Posted by penguinz

I doubt that chart is still valid these days.

I think it's still useful to an extent, but I don't think any team takes it as a literal value equivalency without considering a lot of other factors.

KChiefs1 · 01-19-2009, 05:25 PM

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Originally Posted by Mecca

LOL, the Eagles are not moving up for a WR, they've drafted exactly 1 first round WR in Reids entire stay there..

They devalue the WR and LB positions....expect them to stand pat and take some OT's as their guys are getting very old and they badly wanted Albert last year.

It was all hypothetical example based upon the Eagles having 2 first round picks in this draft. I wasn't saying they would draft Crabtree.

Mecca · 01-19-2009, 05:27 PM

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Originally Posted by KChiefs1

It was all hypothetical example based upon the Eagles having 2 first round picks in this draft. I wasn't saying they would draft Crabtree.

I was just pointing out their draft strategy, there are some teams that you can easily look at to know what they'd be looking for in the draft.

ChiefsCountry · 01-19-2009, 05:31 PM

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Originally Posted by Mecca

LOL, the Eagles are not moving up for a WR, they've drafted exactly 1 first round WR in Reids entire stay there..

Freddie Mitchell!!!

eazyb81 · 01-19-2009, 05:32 PM

I talked about this possibility a few days ago. One scenario that made sense, at least at this point, would be to trade with SF and move down to #10. There we could take someone like Everette Brown to be our beast OLB in the 3-4.

Teams have to pay out the ass for top rookie contracts these days, so I don't think we'd get full value in return according to the value chart.

At this point, I still think one of the QBs makes sense for us at #3. But I can easily see a scenario where Pioli's main priority is trading back to acquire more picks so we can revamp the defense to move to the 3-4.

**DaKCMan AP** · 01-19-2009, 05:34 PM

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Originally Posted by ChiefsCountry

Freddie Mitchell!!!

http://www.chiefsplanet.com/BB/showt...eddie+mitchell

Micjones · 01-19-2009, 05:35 PM

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Originally Posted by DaKCMan AP

To trade up from #10 to #3 a team would need to compensate with a) next year's 1st plus this year's 2nd b) two 2nd's this year c) a 2nd a 3rd and next year's 2nd.

Something in that range.

I would think their 10th and 42nd pick in this year's draft + a #2 next year.

Mecca · 01-19-2009, 05:36 PM

Here's a better question...if you drop to 10, you probably just killed your shot at the top 2 QB's..

So then Tyler Thigpen is the QB again...unless the Chiefs continue their gimmick offense him in a regular offense was one of the ugliest things ever.

eazyb81 · 01-19-2009, 05:40 PM

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Originally Posted by Mecca

Here's a better question...if you drop to 10, you probably just killed your shot at the top 2 QB's..

So then Tyler Thigpen is the QB again...unless the Chiefs continue their gimmick offense him in a regular offense was one of the ugliest things ever.

Yes, or you pick up a FA QB. You have to at least consider the possibility that Pioli will not value Stafford or Sanchez as high as draftniks and/or other teams do. The Pats have shown a tendency to draft to the beat of their own drummer.

ChiefsCountry · 01-19-2009, 05:41 PM

But the Big Chief wants a franchise QB and he sort of keeps bringing it up each time he is interviewed.

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bigdreams1 Starter Join Date: Apr 2007 Casino cash: $10004900	Tradeback ? If we were to trade back with say the bengals or 49ers so that they could get crabtree before Seattle, what kind of compensation would we be receiving? Im just curious because I have seen this discussed frequently on the planet. I know that trades in the top 5 are pretty infrequent, but just been wondering lately. Thanks
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KChiefs1 I’m a Mahomo! Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: Mid-Missouri Casino cash: $6771021	I'm probably calculating this wrong but if say the Eagles decide they want Crabtree before Seattle or Oakland choose him they'd have to give the Chiefs the following: 21st pick - first round 28th pick - first round next year's #1 pick 53rd pick - second round That's a lot to give up but if they really wanted him.... __________________
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Mecca Hockey Town Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Kansas City, Missouri Casino cash: $-782950	LOL, the Eagles are not moving up for a WR, they've drafted exactly 1 first round WR in Reids entire stay there.. They devalue the WR and LB positions....expect them to stand pat and take some OT's as their guys are getting very old and they badly wanted Albert last year.
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eazyb81 The Illuminati Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: the road less traveled Casino cash: $9984900	I talked about this possibility a few days ago. One scenario that made sense, at least at this point, would be to trade with SF and move down to #10. There we could take someone like Everette Brown to be our beast OLB in the 3-4. Teams have to pay out the ass for top rookie contracts these days, so I don't think we'd get full value in return according to the value chart. At this point, I still think one of the QBs makes sense for us at #3. But I can easily see a scenario where Pioli's main priority is trading back to acquire more picks so we can revamp the defense to move to the 3-4.
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01-19-2009, 05:36 PM	#28
Mecca Hockey Town Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Kansas City, Missouri Casino cash: $-782950	Here's a better question...if you drop to 10, you probably just killed your shot at the top 2 QB's.. So then Tyler Thigpen is the QB again...unless the Chiefs continue their gimmick offense him in a regular offense was one of the ugliest things ever.
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01-19-2009, 05:41 PM	#30
ChiefsCountry The Insider Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: Lake of the Ozarks Casino cash: $-1681248	But the Big Chief wants a franchise QB and he sort of keeps bringing it up each time he is interviewed.
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