Chiefs I think all the 3-4 talk is hooey. - Page 2

Chris Meck · 03-06-2009, 12:04 PM

I really don't think we're going to a 3-4.

I think Vrabel's position here is a passing down rush end. At this point in his career, it's a smart way to use him.

We don't have a NT. We just don't. We didn't make a play for any of the guys in FA that fit that spot.

We don't really have 3-4 ends. If we were really going to do this, I think we'd have at least looked at Olshansky.

We would basically be wasting last year's #5 overall pick. Also a waste of Hali. So we waste 50% of our last 4 first round picks to switch to a defense we have basically NO personnel for.

We're short at least 1 starting OLB for a 3-4, and really would need another player that could take a lot of snaps as Vrabel is going to need a breather at this stage of his career. Didn't even look at Dansby.

I don't buy it. What's the upside? I don't see any.

I think people are grasping at straws.

htismaqe · 03-06-2009, 12:24 PM

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Originally Posted by suds79

I think Pioli & Haley see that this was a 2-14 team last year. They're going to be afraid to run the system they believe in because of picks in the past.

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Originally Posted by Chiefnj2

They haven't shown a lot of interest in free agents to improve the 4-3.

These.

KCrockaholic · 03-06-2009, 12:26 PM

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Originally Posted by Molitoth

3 average years. The guy was a First Round draft pick and projected to be great. He has produced an average of 6 sacks and 43 tackles per season.

Yes, the defense sucks... But Tamba hasn't lived up to his hype.

I wouldnt discount him until hes on a team that actually has an above average defense. I will give him one more year to prove himself until i decide he was really a waste of a pick.

KCrockaholic · 03-06-2009, 12:27 PM

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Originally Posted by DeepSouth

I don't think anyone knows how good or how bad any of the current defensive players on the Chiefs roster is. I think the coaching staff was at least 50% responsible for their ineptness. Look at the defensive players that shipped out and played well for other teams. Particularly, linebackers (Mitchel & Fuijita). And, if Sims was so freaking bad, why did Tampa resign him.

I'm willing to give the new coaching staff a shot at getting the best out of the young players (Hali, Tyler, McBride, Dorsey, Johnson, Page, Pollard, Flowers, Carr, & Leggett)

good point, i feel the same way.

**Smed1065** · 03-06-2009, 12:27 PM

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Originally Posted by Skip Towne

As Amnorix pointed out, you don't have to make the switch in one day. It took the Pats nearly 2 years to switch and they still run some 4-3.

This or that.

**DeezNutz** · 03-06-2009, 12:27 PM

Something is going to have to give, though.

Mr. Slap Dick was retained, suggesting that Pioli didn't think the coaching was a problem with the line. However, we're still looking at the same front 4 (or 3, depending upon if the switch coming to fruition).

It's either coaching or talent. We can't return the same cast o' shit.

The Buddha · 03-06-2009, 12:34 PM

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Originally Posted by DeezNutz

Something is going to have to give, though.

Mr. Slap Dick was retained, suggesting that Pioli didn't think the coaching was a problem with the line. However, we're still looking at the same front 4 (or 3, depending upon if the switch coming to fruition).

It's either coaching or talent. We can't return the same cast o' shit.

He might be waiting to fire Krumrie. Until he can find the certain person he's looking for.

I doubt it, but its a thought.

soundmind · 03-06-2009, 12:34 PM

Herman Edwards RUINED this defense.

I was not in favor of keeping Krumrie, but he may not have been the problem at all. Don't think for a second (especially given his public comments) that Gunther was pumped up about zone coverage and NOT blitzing...

The DLine produced no sacks, because we never blitzed, so 5-6 guys blocking 4 down linemen is typically not a problem for opposing teams, especially when you never, ever, change anything.

Glad your gone Herm.

chiefzilla1501 · 03-06-2009, 12:35 PM

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Originally Posted by kcrockaholic4life

Why do you throw him under the bus after one bad year with a horrible defense around him? sounds awful ignorant to me

I don't think Hali is a bad DE. But I think his role as a rotational DE--that's not a bad thing, but he's not a guy you build a defense around and he is certainly expendable. I say that not because of the numbers he put up last year, but about how completely incapable he was of getting around left tackles. It seems like his success came mostly from Jared Allen pushing quarterbacks in Hali's direction.

So yeah, I think hali could do fine as a rotational DE, but he's not a guy that should stop the chiefs from completely revamping the defense.

Hammock Parties · 03-06-2009, 12:37 PM

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Originally Posted by soundmind

The DLine produced no sacks, because we never blitzed

Sometimes I wonder if some of you even watch the games.

The Chiefs blitzed plenty last year.

DeepSouth · 03-06-2009, 12:37 PM

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Originally Posted by DeezNutz

Something is going to have to give, though.

Mr. Slap Dick was retained, suggesting that Pioli didn't think the coaching was a problem with the line. However, we're still looking at the same front 4 (or 3, depending upon if the switch coming to fruition).

It's either coaching or talent. We can't return the same cast o' shit.

As much as I dislike Whitlock, he pointed out during last season how they were playing Dorsey wrong. He didn't play that way in college and Whitlock says he didn't have the right build to play the way they wanted him to. If a new coordinator can make use of the existing players talents versus trying to make them play in a system they're not built for, you'd think there has to be improvement.

I used to be a Gunther fan but I'm glad he's gone. I think he was a good coordinator when he was the coordinator for a great head coach; Schottenhiemer, Fisher, etc... I think Gunther and Herm together was a disaster.

chiefzilla1501 · 03-06-2009, 12:38 PM

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Originally Posted by soundmind

Herman Edwards RUINED this defense.

I was not in favor of keeping Krumrie, but he may not have been the problem at all. Don't think for a second (especially given his public comments) that Gunther was pumped up about zone coverage and NOT blitzing...

The DLine produced no sacks, because we never blitzed, so 5-6 guys blocking 4 down linemen is typically not a problem for opposing teams, especially when you never, ever, change anything.

Don't think for a second that Gun wasn't a big part of the problem.

soundmind · 03-06-2009, 12:42 PM

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Originally Posted by Claythan

Sometimes I wonder if some of you even watch the games.

The Chiefs blitzed plenty last year.

I watched and/or attended every single game.

I'm not saying that's the sole reason, I'm saying that's a BIG PART of why our defense was so ineffective - they played it safe all year, and it would be extremely difficult to sell me anything different.

I'd suggest you re-screen your extensive vault of Herm Edwards' defensive prowess tapes. All that guy thinks about is coverage.

Hammock Parties · 03-06-2009, 12:44 PM

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Originally Posted by soundmind

I'm not saying that's the sole reason, I'm saying that's a BIG PART of why our defense was so ineffective - they played it safe all year, and it would be extremely difficult to sell me anything different.

They sucked blitzing, and they sucked rushing four.

They sucked in general.

And they went into the season with the plan to blitz.

soundmind · 03-06-2009, 12:45 PM

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Originally Posted by chiefzilla1501

Don't think for a second that Gun wasn't a big part of the problem.

I wouldn't deny that Gun was a HUGE part of the problem, but forcing his system to a severe fault was all on Herm in my book.

Gun I give credit to for the awful play of our linebackers, and the laundry list of things we expected from Derrick Johnson that have yet to surface. LBs were his detail alone and he failed in consecutive years.

**DeezNutz** · 03-06-2009, 12:46 PM

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Originally Posted by soundmind

I watched and/or attended every single game.

I'm not saying that's the sole reason, I'm saying that's a BIG PART of why our defense was so ineffective - they played it safe all year, and it would be extremely difficult to sell me anything different.

I'd suggest you re-screen your extensive vault of Herm Edwards' defensive prowess tapes. All that guy thinks about is coverage.

Of course Herm was a part of the problem, and a big part at that. However, when a team fields an historically bad unit, all of the parts are working to contribute to building the massive shit burger.

I think what we're going to see is that the biggest part of the problem was an overall lack of talent.

This unit is still going to be carpet bombed, IMO.

03-06-2009, 12:04 PM
Chris Meck MVP Join Date: May 2001 Location: midtown KC Casino cash: $-1425090	I think all the 3-4 talk is hooey. I really don't think we're going to a 3-4. I think Vrabel's position here is a passing down rush end. At this point in his career, it's a smart way to use him. We don't have a NT. We just don't. We didn't make a play for any of the guys in FA that fit that spot. We don't really have 3-4 ends. If we were really going to do this, I think we'd have at least looked at Olshansky. We would basically be wasting last year's #5 overall pick. Also a waste of Hali. So we waste 50% of our last 4 first round picks to switch to a defense we have basically NO personnel for. We're short at least 1 starting OLB for a 3-4, and really would need another player that could take a lot of snaps as Vrabel is going to need a breather at this stage of his career. Didn't even look at Dansby. I don't buy it. What's the upside? I don't see any. I think people are grasping at straws.
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03-06-2009, 12:34 PM	#22
soundmind EB:29 Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: Kansas City, MO Casino cash: $10004900	Herman Edwards RUINED this defense. I was not in favor of keeping Krumrie, but he may not have been the problem at all. Don't think for a second (especially given his public comments) that Gunther was pumped up about zone coverage and NOT blitzing... The DLine produced no sacks, because we never blitzed, so 5-6 guys blocking 4 down linemen is typically not a problem for opposing teams, especially when you never, ever, change anything. Glad your gone Herm.
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