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Old 04-26-2010, 03:57 PM  
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This is why we didn't focus on the front 7...
I said this during last year...and was always hit by a Hamas stat about how bad our rush defense was...

I always thought our biggest problem was our pass defense and our inability to get off the field on 3rd and long. I always cheered for the opposition to waste a 2nd down on a run play...because we were better in 3rd and 3 than we were in 3rd and 10 defensively...

Teams knew this too...our rush defense got a bad wrap because we were consistently losing by 2+ scores in the 4th quarter and teams like the Giants...who gashed us with the pass all game long...used their final possessions to bad their rushing stats...and the Ravens...and even the Cowboys game 1/4th of their rushing yards came on one long run (kind of like the Skins game when we shut down Portis minus one long run as well)...

The formula for beating us last year? A good passing game...and we made even marginal passing games look AMAZING. Just check this out:

Flacco 300+ yards (96 rating)

Oakland beat us averaging 2.7 YPC in week 2

Kolb 300 + yards (120 rating)

E. Manning 292 yards (104 rating)

Romo 350 yards (113 rating)

Rivers 270 yards (123 rating)

Garrard 270 yards (111 rating)

Rivers 300+ yards (136 rating)

Orton 180 yards (92 rating) 245 rush yards allowed

Edwards (66 rating) 200 rush yards allowed

Quinn (28 rating) 350 rush yards allowed

Palmer (92 rating) Benson 4.6 YPC

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Anyone see the trend here? It's nice that guys like OTWP like to conveniently ignore what we were REALLY bad at last year.
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Old 04-26-2010, 04:27 PM   #16
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We allowed 4.7 YPC rushing, good for 31st in the league.

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Old 04-26-2010, 04:28 PM   #17
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who was good in our secondary?

Flowers?

I know no one else was...I am skeptical about how good Flowers really was last year in all honesty.
I have no doubts about Flowers, but I do have doubts about Carr.
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Old 04-26-2010, 04:28 PM   #18
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I said this during last year...and was always hit by a Hamas stat about how bad our rush defense was...

I always thought our biggest problem was our pass defense and our inability to get off the field on 3rd and long. I always cheered for the opposition to waste a 2nd down on a run play...because we were better in 3rd and 3 than we were in 3rd and 10 defensively...

Teams knew this too...our rush defense got a bad wrap because we were consistently losing by 2+ scores in the 4th quarter and teams like the Giants...who gashed us with the pass all game long...used their final possessions to bad their rushing stats...and the Ravens...and even the Cowboys game 1/4th of their rushing yards came on one long run (kind of like the Skins game when we shut down Portis minus one long run as well)...

The formula for beating us last year? A good passing game...and we made even marginal passing games look AMAZING. Just check this out:

Flacco 300+ yards (96 rating)

Oakland beat us averaging 2.7 YPC in week 2

Kolb 300 + yards (120 rating)

E. Manning 292 yards (104 rating)

Romo 350 yards (113 rating)

Rivers 270 yards (123 rating)

Garrard 270 yards (111 rating)

Rivers 300+ yards (136 rating)

Orton 180 yards (92 rating) 245 rush yards allowed

Edwards (66 rating) 200 rush yards allowed

Quinn (28 rating) 350 rush yards allowed

Palmer (92 rating) Benson 4.6 YPC

...

Anyone see the trend here? It's nice that guys like OTWP like to conveniently ignore what we were REALLY bad at last year.

Stop it. Your post actually makes sense. That is not allowed on CP.
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Old 04-26-2010, 04:29 PM   #19
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I have no doubts about Flowers, but I do have doubts about Carr.
I don't either...I think Flowers is going to be really good...just didn't necessarily see anything special last year.
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Old 04-26-2010, 04:29 PM   #20
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who was good in our secondary?

Flowers?

I know no one else was...I am skeptical about how good Flowers really was last year in all honesty.
because you're dumb
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Old 04-26-2010, 04:29 PM   #21
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And a front 7 doesn't affect the passing game?
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our run defense wasn't our true weakness last year...

it was our pass defense and yes, our ability to get to the QB...

Berry and Arenas are going to be difference makers from day 1...

If our offense can sustain some drives and give us some leads late in games...we'll see that rush defense improve...just because of our offense alone.

But people like OTWP want to hide behind stats because they don't like to rely on what they see with their own two eyes.
Look man you need to chill out with constantly going after certain posters on here. The QB ratings you posted wouldn't be as high if we had a pass rush.

The guy I thought would improve our team more than anyone was Brandon Graham because he can get to the QB very well and play the run. He was, IMO, the best all around OLB prospect in the draft. I'm not saying he was worth the #5 pick, but I said quite some time ago that as long as our run defense was horrible, adding Berry wouldn't provide as big an impact to improving the team.

If a runner is getting into your secondary over and over again, then your front 7 suck. THAT is the bottom line.

They basically chose to ignore the front seven and THAT is the problem most of us have with this draft.
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Flowers?

I know no one else was...I am skeptical about how good Flowers really was last year in all honesty.
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Old 04-26-2010, 04:31 PM   #23
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Flowers would be in a probowl if we ever had a good front 7
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Old 04-26-2010, 04:31 PM   #24
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who was good in our secondary?

Flowers?

I know no one else was...I am skeptical about how good Flowers really was last year in all honesty.
Okay, and nobody's complaining about the Berry pick to add some talent to the secondary.

You think Javier Arenas is the cure to what ails our pass coverage?

This argument you're making....uh...it really sucks badly.
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Old 04-26-2010, 04:32 PM   #25
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trying to run a 3-4 with our LBs is basically insane...that's how bad they are
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Flowers would be in a probowl if we ever had a good front 7
No way. EVERYONE knows that 2nd round picks don't make pro-bowls. They're drafted strictly to be role players.
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No way. EVERYONE knows that 2nd round picks don't make pro-bowls. They're drafted strictly to be role players.
i know, i remember before the draft when everyone was saying that smart teams use 2nd round picks on kick returners...
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Football 101, front to back, front 7, namely your pass rush will mask your secondary. If you have no pass rush you can have Deion Sanders and Rod Woodson back there, you're gonna get passed on.
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