Chiefs Haley thinks Cassel's problem was the players around him - Page 2

Quesadilla Joe · 06-19-2010, 06:28 AM

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com...rs-around-him/

After signing a $40 million contract and leaving the Patriots for the Chiefs last year, quarterback Matt Cassel saw his passer rating drop from 89.4 in 2008 to 69.9 in 2009.

Chiefs coach Todd Haley thinks that had less to do with Cassel and more to do with the players around him.

"We had 50-plus drops last season. If those don't happen, people would look at Cassel differently," Haley told ESPN.com. "If we get the improved offensive play around him that we hope to, I think people will feel better about Matt Cassel."

Haley thinks the Chiefs have improved the talent on offense, and he says Cassel is doing the necessary work this offseason to make people feel better about him.

"This guy is making progress in a bunch of ways," Haley said. "He had a very difficult year last year, but he didn't crack. That's a good sign. He has been one of our best workers this offseason, if not the best. He's working."

milkman · 06-19-2010, 09:12 AM

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Originally Posted by SNR

I agree with you about Croyle, but it still makes me wonder how Damon Huard was able to win 5 games in those two years that Croyle was a "starter"

Confidence and experience.

Watching Croyle, he has the physical tools to succeed, but he plays tentatively, which I believe Herman ****ing Edwards and Dick Curl are in large part, responsible for.

Huard had nothing to lose.

He was a career backup with little talent, so he put it all out there when he was on the field and had the time in the pocket to make reads and throws.

Croyle showed what he is capable of in the preseason, but as soon as the regular season rolled around, he showed a total lack of confidence in his ability.

But again, it's all moot.

The first time a defender blows some air his way, he'll get something broken.

CoMoChief · 06-19-2010, 09:13 AM

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Originally Posted by JASONSAUTO

arent they the same players?

Given the fact we upgraded the Oline this year, Croyle IMO shouldn't be running for his life like in past seasons. If he were to have any time whatsoever to throw the ball, my guess is that this team would be better overall w/ him behind center. W/ Weis as OC, Croyle IMO would have the right tools and people around him to be successful.

The only reason why Croyle ISN'T the starter is because he's made of glass and had some serious bad luck w/ injuries. Because of that, and Pioli, we are stuck w/ CASSHole at QB.

Quesadilla Joe · 06-19-2010, 09:14 AM

Herm on Cassel

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Second year in the system will help him a lot. I see him having a good season

https://twitter.com/HermEdwardsESPN/status/16546141229

CoMoChief · 06-19-2010, 09:15 AM

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Originally Posted by KnowMo2724

Herm on Cassel

https://twitter.com/HermEdwardsESPN/status/16546141229

BigChiefFan · 06-19-2010, 09:42 AM

Good Lord, people. He's working his ass off to improve his game and the overall offense. WTF is not to like about that? Lighten up, folks, you'll live longer. I'm actually encouraged by the article, but I am a fan of the team.

**Bane** · 06-19-2010, 09:46 AM

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Originally Posted by KC Fish

So once we surround Cassel with all Pros, people will feel better about him?

Brilliant....

Hasn't that been the general consensus anyway? Surround him with 8 pro bowlers and he'll be a good QB....

**Bane** · 06-19-2010, 09:47 AM

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Originally Posted by KnowMo2724

Herm on Cassel

https://twitter.com/HermEdwardsESPN/status/16546141229

Me on you.

you goddamn Donktard!

chiefsngop · 06-19-2010, 09:50 AM

Speaking of the Donks.

I bet if King Carl was still around it probably would've been us taking Teebow in the 1st round.

The King would've finally broke down and went after his real QBOTF and WE would've been the dumb fucks taking Teebow in round 1.

Chief Roundup · 06-19-2010, 10:00 AM

Haley is as much to blame as anyone else changing the playbook 10 days before the season started.

**Bane** · 06-19-2010, 10:04 AM

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Originally Posted by Chief Roundup

Haley is as much to blame as anyone else changing the playbook 10 days before the season started.

I can agree with that somewhat.I thought a lot of his play calling was horrid but I figured most of it came from his lack of confidence in Cassel.One thing is for sure,as bad as it all went down last year we only have one way to go.......Hopefully

Coogs · 06-19-2010, 10:08 AM

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Originally Posted by SNR

I agree with you about Croyle, but it still makes me wonder how Damon Huard was able to win 5 games in those two years that Croyle was a "starter"

The Chiefs "could" have legitimately won 5 of the 9 games Croyle started. Four of them in 2007, and the Ravens game last year. Here are the 2007 games he started that could have been won...

2007 season. Croyle starts 6 of last 7 games.

Game 1 is at Indianapolis. Bad news right? Late 3rd, Croyle leads us on 11 play 77 yd drive that ends with 19 yd TD pass to Bowe to tie the score at 10. Then, with about eleven minutes left in the game we get the ball back at own 25, still tied at 10. Croyle hits Gonzo for 7 and Bowe for 14 and we are first and 10 at 45 with nine minutes left. OC (Solari?) goes conservative again, and we punt the ball to Manning with seven minutes left. Manning runs out clock and Colts kick late FG to win 13-10.

Game 2 is Oakland at home. Late 3rd Croyle leads us on 9 play 63 yard drive that ends in TD and a 17-13 lead. Defense forces 3-and-Out. Next drive Croyle takes us 47 yards on 9 more plays to Oakland 15. Rayner misses short FG. Rested defense gives up 3 play 77 yard TD drive. Croyle follows up with 12 play 52 yard drive to Oakland 23. Went for it on 4th and 1 as opposed to FG to tie with 4:22 to go in game. Didn't make it on Smith run. Oakland runs out clock.

Game 3 did not play vs Sandy Eggo

Game 4 got hammered 41-7 at Dennver

Game 5 vs Tennessee lead 14-13 in 3rd. Croyle leads us on 14 play drive that lasts 7:20 seconds and ends in FG for 17-13 lead. Well rested defense gives up 3 play 60 yard TD drive... Ballgame.

Game 6 at Detroit. Down 19-0 early. Played bad. Huard replaces Croyle.

Game 7 at Jets. Ugly game. Down 10-3 middle of 4th quarter. Croyle leads us on 9 play 83 yard drive that ends with 26 yard TD pass to tie game at 10 with 3:07 to go. Get ball back with little over a minute to go, but it was inside our own 20. Game goes to OT. Jets win toss. 11 plays later Jets kick FG to win 13-10.

Now whoever is QB doesn't really matter to me. But I hope one of these two is good, because if not we are still several years more away from being a contender. And God knows, I am definately ready for the Cheifs to be at the top of the food chain instead of at the bottom.

Mr. Arrowhead · 06-19-2010, 10:15 AM

i will say this, Castle really does try his hardest

milkman · 06-19-2010, 10:21 AM

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Originally Posted by BigChiefFan

Good Lord, people. He's working his ass off to improve his game and the overall offense. WTF is not to like about that? Lighten up, folks, you'll live longer. I'm actually encouraged by the article, but I am a fan of the team.

No one dislikes the fact that he works hard.

That's great.
That's what you want form a player.

But none of it matters if you don't have the necessary talent and physical tools to go along with that hard work.

Cassel is a marginally talented hard worker, and no matter how hard he works, he's never going to be any more than marginally talented.

**Bane** · 06-19-2010, 10:25 AM

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Originally Posted by milkman

No one dislikes the fact that he works hard.

That's great.
That's what you want form a player.

But none of it matters if you don't have the necessary talent and physical tools to go along with that hard work.

Cassel is a marginally talented hard worker, and no matter how hard he works, he's never going to be any more than marginally talented.

'Hamas' Jenkins · 06-19-2010, 10:27 AM

He's marginally talented and exceptionally compensated.

06-19-2010, 06:28 AM
Quesadilla Joe Abolish The Salary Cap! Join Date: Mar 2008 Casino cash: $3408675	Haley thinks Cassel's problem was the players around him http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com...rs-around-him/ After signing a $40 million contract and leaving the Patriots for the Chiefs last year, quarterback Matt Cassel saw his passer rating drop from 89.4 in 2008 to 69.9 in 2009. Chiefs coach Todd Haley thinks that had less to do with Cassel and more to do with the players around him. "We had 50-plus drops last season. If those don't happen, people would look at Cassel differently," Haley told ESPN.com. "If we get the improved offensive play around him that we hope to, I think people will feel better about Matt Cassel." Haley thinks the Chiefs have improved the talent on offense, and he says Cassel is doing the necessary work this offseason to make people feel better about him. "This guy is making progress in a bunch of ways," Haley said. "He had a very difficult year last year, but he didn't crack. That's a good sign. He has been one of our best workers this offseason, if not the best. He's working."
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