Chiefs Very telling quote from Pioli on Charles' future with the Chiefs - Page 2

Quesadilla Joe · 10-30-2010, 03:14 AM

http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/vau...95/3/index.htm

Each season from 2003 to '06, a different back led the Broncos in rushing, and each gained at least 1,000 yards. That established the economic blueprint for managing the position: A team can succeed, sometimes even win the Super Bowl, without a great running back, provided there is ample talent at quarterback and offensive line. Hence management will economize at the position, moving out highly paid, established backs in favor of cheaper up-and-comers or journeymen.

"I am of that mind-set," says Chiefs general manager Scott Pioli, who came over from Bill Belichick's Patriots regime in 2009. "That special guy [Payton, Smith, Dickerson] has always been rare. Generally speaking, you need a good season out of the position. In New England, Antowain Smith was not a great back, but he had a great season [rushing for 1,157 yards in 2001, a Super Bowl--winning year]. Corey Dillon was not a great back, but he had a great season [1,635 yards in 2004, another Super Bowl year]."

It is also a guessing game. Every running back comes stamped with an unknown expiration date. "You don't know how many times they've been hit in high school, hit in college," says Pioli. "Or how well they've taken care of themselves."

Shanahan, who orchestrated the revolving door of rushers at Denver in the early 2000s, says, "There are places on the field where you need a great player. I don't think running back is one of them. I look for overachievers."

**notorious** · 10-30-2010, 07:27 AM

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Originally Posted by TheGuardian

Charles probably isn't going to command Adrian Peterson type money as a FA because most teams see him as what the Chiefs are doing with him. A 12-16 carry a game back. I think that Haley is using him about as perfect as you can, and other teams would look at him the same.

So I agree, you resign Charles but only at the right price. Otherwise let him walk.

This.

**Bane** · 10-30-2010, 07:34 AM

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Originally Posted by KnowMo2724

I just found something that I figured a Chiefs fan would want to read. I couldn't care less what happens with Charles.

You should you stupid cock sucker seeing as he schools your D like bitches.You're a real piece of shit you know it?**** you and all of you're lil nut huggers you have here.

**DaFace** · 10-30-2010, 07:46 AM

Eh, philosophically, I don't have any issue with it. However, he needs to consider all of the other factors to make sure it's the right decision (and I'm sure he will). The article is overly simplistic.

mesmith31 · 10-30-2010, 07:47 AM

Its like telling a girl before you start to date: " I am a heavy drinker, irresponsible, have bad hygiene, we will only go on dates to Whataburger, and I will live with you for 10 years but don't expect a ring. Oh, and it will be an open relationships, so expect other woman to come around."

These negotiations with Charles should be interesting.

**Mr. Flopnuts** · 10-30-2010, 07:48 AM

After LJ, I'm not sure that anyone is going to cry if we don't sign an RB to a huge contract.

**Saul Good** · 10-30-2010, 07:52 AM

A good RB deserves 2 contracts. After that, sign for peanuts or hit the road.

chiefzilla1501 · 10-30-2010, 07:55 AM

"I was talking to [Kansas City GM] Scott Pioli about Berry, and I said, 'Scott, this guy's your pick.' And he said, 'You know how I feel about safeties that early.' And I understand.'' - Thomas Dimitroff

Marcellus · 10-30-2010, 07:58 AM

If you read the whole article and take the statement for what it is in it's context, it's not telling at all concerning JC.

First off he doesn't make any statement other than you need a good season out of the position but you don't have to have a great player to have a great season at RB.

The statement about $ and economy at the RB position was not made by Pioli but by the author.

mcaj22 · 10-30-2010, 07:58 AM

lol did he really say Corey Dillon was NOT a great back?

are you ****ing high Pioli?

Marcellus · 10-30-2010, 08:05 AM

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Originally Posted by mcaj22

lol did he really say Corey Dillon was NOT a great back?

are you ****ing high Pioli?

I think he looks at HOF players as great. Look who he mentions as great backs.

**BigMeatballDave** · 10-30-2010, 08:06 AM

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Originally Posted by mcaj22

lol did he really say Corey Dillon was NOT a great back?

are you ****ing high Pioli?

I agree, Dillion was not a great back. Pretty good, not great.

chiefzilla1501 · 10-30-2010, 08:08 AM

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Originally Posted by mcaj22

lol did he really say Corey Dillon was NOT a great back?

are you ****ing high Pioli?

To me, Dillon was the beginning of the end to the Patriot Way. But not because of his abilities. That was about the time the Patriots stopped caring about character and became more interested in forcing players to fill roster holes rather than drafting/picking up role players.

tmax63 · 10-30-2010, 08:31 AM

I really hope they get most of these guys re-signed over the next couple of years. The reason IMHO that the "Patriot Way" works is good drafting and having a pipeline of players waiting to step up. The talent level of the Chiefs when they 1st got here was horrendous and I think it'll be a couple more years of good drafts before the Chiefs get the back-up/players in waiting level up to where they can be tougher on negotiating with the vets. This year they filled alot of starting talent "holes" but they are still a couple of injuries away from being bad instead of not as good.

Hog's Gone Fishin · 10-30-2010, 08:35 AM

Rod woodson on NFL Network was asked the question which coach is most on the hot seat between Singletary(49ers) and McDaniels(Donkeys). He chuckled and said , "I've never seen a coach completely dismantle a team in a two year period like Josh McDaniels. He got rid of Cutler for some reason. He cut his best receiver cause of attitude, he cut one of the best TE's in the league because of attitude. He fired a DC that took a Defense from dead last to top ten just because of a conflict in personality. It's just amazing how one Head Coach can thoroughly destroy a team that had developed chemistry in such a short time. His days are numbered"

**Rausch** · 10-30-2010, 08:37 AM

Antowain Smith = TJ
Kevin Faulk = Charles

I don't see why either one would be leaving unless we wanted them to...

10-30-2010, 03:14 AM
Quesadilla Joe Abolish The Salary Cap! Join Date: Mar 2008 Casino cash: $3408675	Very telling quote from Pioli on Charles' future with the Chiefs http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/vau...95/3/index.htm Each season from 2003 to '06, a different back led the Broncos in rushing, and each gained at least 1,000 yards. That established the economic blueprint for managing the position: A team can succeed, sometimes even win the Super Bowl, without a great running back, provided there is ample talent at quarterback and offensive line. Hence management will economize at the position, moving out highly paid, established backs in favor of cheaper up-and-comers or journeymen. "I am of that mind-set," says Chiefs general manager Scott Pioli, who came over from Bill Belichick's Patriots regime in 2009. "That special guy [Payton, Smith, Dickerson] has always been rare. Generally speaking, you need a good season out of the position. In New England, Antowain Smith was not a great back, but he had a great season [rushing for 1,157 yards in 2001, a Super Bowl--winning year]. Corey Dillon was not a great back, but he had a great season [1,635 yards in 2004, another Super Bowl year]." It is also a guessing game. Every running back comes stamped with an unknown expiration date. "You don't know how many times they've been hit in high school, hit in college," says Pioli. "Or how well they've taken care of themselves." Shanahan, who orchestrated the revolving door of rushers at Denver in the early 2000s, says, "There are places on the field where you need a great player. I don't think running back is one of them. I look for overachievers."
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DaFace Kind of a mod Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: Donkey Land Casino cash: $-1883101	Eh, philosophically, I don't have any issue with it. However, he needs to consider all of the other factors to make sure it's the right decision (and I'm sure he will). The article is overly simplistic.
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Marcellus Diablo Negro Join Date: Sep 2003 Casino cash: $-497338	If you read the whole article and take the statement for what it is in it's context, it's not telling at all concerning JC. First off he doesn't make any statement other than you need a good season out of the position but you don't have to have a great player to have a great season at RB. The statement about $ and economy at the RB position was not made by Pioli but by the author.
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mcaj22 MVP Join Date: Feb 2010 Casino cash: $10014454	lol did he really say Corey Dillon was NOT a great back? are you ****ing high Pioli?
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tmax63 Veteran Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Colorado Casino cash: $453600	I really hope they get most of these guys re-signed over the next couple of years. The reason IMHO that the "Patriot Way" works is good drafting and having a pipeline of players waiting to step up. The talent level of the Chiefs when they 1st got here was horrendous and I think it'll be a couple more years of good drafts before the Chiefs get the back-up/players in waiting level up to where they can be tougher on negotiating with the vets. This year they filled alot of starting talent "holes" but they are still a couple of injuries away from being bad instead of not as good. __________________ An armed member of society is a citizen, an unarmed member is a subject.
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