Football Big Names at lockout Negotiations ... prepared to stay weekend to close deal - Page 2

Mr. Laz · 07-07-2011, 09:07 AM

Familiar Faces At NFL, NFLPA Negotiations

As expected, the ten NFL owners and players who have joined Commissioner Roger Goodell and NFLPA Executive Director DeMaurice Smith today in Manhattan have been frequent participants throughout the labor talks.

Albert Breer of the NFL Network reports that Robert Kraft (New England), John Mara (NY Giants), Jerry Jones (Dallas), Clark Hunt (Kansas City), and Art Rooney (Pittsburgh) will represent the ownership group today. All five are members of the NFL Management Council Executive Committee.

On the Players' side, Breer has Pittsburgh Steelers quarterback Charlie Batch, Indianapolis Colts center Jeff Saturday, Baltimore Ravens cornerback Domonique Foxworth, NFLPA president Kevin Mawae and former NFL wide receiver Sean Morey have joined Smith.

Through a pair of pictures taken outside the talks over the last two days, the two sides appear to be meeting at the New York offices of Proskauer Rose, a firm which has advised nearly every major sports league and where NFL outside counsel Bob Batterman has been partner since 1974.

-King- · 07-07-2011, 10:20 AM

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Originally Posted by Hydrae

When are they going to throw out the Brady lawsuit? It is extremely obvious that the NFLPA did not actually de-certify.

...but they did...

Rooster · 07-07-2011, 10:22 AM

This has probably been discussed in the free agency thread but I will ask it anyway. When will free agency start? As soon as the ink drys or is it dependant on what is in the actual new agreement?

NaptownChief · 07-07-2011, 10:27 AM

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Originally Posted by Pestilence

Peyton Manning will never leave Indy.

Why do you say that? He likes it here in Indy but he isn't in love with it. He built his dream home in Tenn a few years back...spends most of his off time down there playing golf at the Honors Club. I think he knows the Colts and Indy owe him a lot more than he owes them.

vailpass · 07-07-2011, 10:30 AM

I'd love to get a transcript from these talks and read, verbatim, the input from the players.

Hydrae · 07-07-2011, 10:32 AM

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Originally Posted by -King-

...but they did...

In theory and on paper but it sure hasn't changed who is in the forefront of the negotiations or how they are referred to in the media. Just in articles in the thread, there is no NFLPA President (Mawae) or executive director (Smith) but that is how they are referred to. Did all the players agree that they wanted these people negotiating for them after the decertification?

It was a sham move and the courts should not even bother hearing the Brady case, IMO.

vailpass · 07-07-2011, 10:36 AM

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Originally Posted by Hydrae

In theory and on paper but it sure hasn't changed who is in the forefront of the negotiations or how they are referred to in the media. Just in articles in the thread, there is no NFLPA President (Mawae) or executive director (Smith) but that is how they are referred to. Did all the players agree that they wanted these people negotiating for them after the decertification?

It was a sham move and the courts should not even bother hearing the Brady case, IMO.

I wonder about this every time I see that D. Smith is negotiating with Goodel.
On whose behalf is D. Smith negotiating and from where did he recieve authorization to do so? What organization is paying D. Smith?

-King- · 07-07-2011, 10:54 AM

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Originally Posted by Hydrae

In theory and on paper but it sure hasn't changed who is in the forefront of the negotiations or how they are referred to in the media. Just in articles in the thread, there is no NFLPA President (Mawae) or executive director (Smith) but that is how they are referred to. Did all the players agree that they wanted these people negotiating for them after the decertification?

It was a sham move and the courts should not even bother hearing the Brady case, IMO.

They are now a trade association and can help the players do what they want. And who cares what the media refers them as. As long as they aren't calling themselves "NFLPA president" and "executive director of the NFLPA", it doesn't matter. Either way, they'll probably have to become a union again before the CBA is approved according to PFT.

Hydrae · 07-07-2011, 11:03 AM

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Originally Posted by -King-

They are now a trade association and can help the players do what they want. And who cares what the media refers them as. As long as they aren't calling themselves "NFLPA president" and "executive director of the NFLPA", it doesn't matter. Either way, they'll probably have to become a union again before the CBA is approved according to PFT.

Then they need to form a new union, this cannot be reconvened until a year has passed from the "de-certification."

Mr. Laz · 07-07-2011, 11:12 AM

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Originally Posted by vailpass

I wonder about this every time I see that D. Smith is negotiating with Goodel.
On whose behalf is D. Smith negotiating and from where did he recieve authorization to do so? What organization is paying D. Smith?

The NFLP consortium is paying Smith

it's complete bullshit and any judge being remotely fair and intelligent about the situation will flush the lawsuit. Of course that means Doty will probably uphold it and give Brady etc a 5 billion dollars as a settlement.

vailpass · 07-07-2011, 11:24 AM

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Originally Posted by Laz

The NFLP consortium is paying Smith

it's complete bullshit and any judge being remotely fair and intelligent about the situation will flush the lawsuit. Of course that means Doty will probably uphold it and give Brady etc a 5 billion dollars as a settlement.

What you said here pissed me off. Piss on Brady and his bitch law suit.

ShowtimeSBMVP · 07-07-2011, 11:56 AM

AdamSchefterAdam Schefter

The plaintiffs in the Brady vs. NFL case have been contacted about participating in a conference call tonight. More on ESPN today.

AdamSchefterAdam Schefter

Keep in mind: Conference call tonight with Plaintiffs can be simply to update them on status; isn't automatically to approve any settlement.

ChiefsCountry · 07-07-2011, 03:09 PM

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Originally Posted by NaptownChief

I'm really interested to see if Peyton Manning is able to avoid the franchise tag. If so the Colts are eff'd. I honestly think he wants to go play for a team that can actually win a game even if he doesn't throw for 350 yards and 3 TD's. I have a gut feeling he ends up with the Jets if he can't be tagged. Very good D and running game is something the Colts haven't ever been able to offer in tandem. Having a coach that isn't lost and confused on the sidelines might be of interest as well especially after that bone head TO that cost them the Jets game last year.
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Watching Rothlisberger and A.Rodgers stink it up in one of those playoffs games last year and still move onto the Super Bowl because of defense is something that had to get his attention. >>
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Plus New York is convenient for family with Eli already there and it would only boost his endorsement deals being in that market. I also think Rex Ryan's comment about guaranteeing the Super Bowl might have had something to do with this knowledge.>>
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If it were about just money then Manning would have signed last season as the Colts were offering him the biggest contract in NFL history and he had no interest in signing it. Clearly Manning wants something and my guess is to give himself a much better chance to get more rings. >>

Jets

They already have their QB.

Titty Meat · 07-07-2011, 04:15 PM

Is there a deal done yet? JFC.

chiefqueen · 07-07-2011, 04:35 PM

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Originally Posted by NaptownChief

I'm really interested to see if Peyton Manning is able to avoid the franchise tag. If so the Colts are eff'd. I honestly think he wants to go play for a team that can actually win a game even if he doesn't throw for 350 yards and 3 TD's. I have a gut feeling he ends up with the Jets if he can't be tagged. Very good D and running game is something the Colts haven't ever been able to offer in tandem. Having a coach that isn't lost and confused on the sidelines might be of interest as well especially after that bone head TO that cost them the Jets game last year.
>>
Watching Rothlisberger and A.Rodgers stink it up in one of those playoffs games last year and still move onto the Super Bowl because of defense is something that had to get his attention. >>
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Plus New York is convenient for family with Eli already there and it would only boost his endorsement deals being in that market. I also think Rex Ryan's comment about guaranteeing the Super Bowl might have had something to do with this knowledge.>>
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If it were about just money then Manning would have signed last season as the Colts were offering him the biggest contract in NFL history and he had no interest in signing it. Clearly Manning wants something and my guess is to give himself a much better chance to get more rings. >>

I now think that's stickier than the revenue split in IMO. I know the players want to ability to choose where to work but I also don't think it is fair for a team to lose ita most important player 4-5 days before camp. If it was March it would be one thing as teams would have time to regroup.

A telling sign on whether a deal gets done could be if Irsay has at least seven others agreeing with him on free agency. Clearly he can't afford to lose Manning and then begin camp later that week.

milkman · 07-07-2011, 09:48 PM

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Originally Posted by NaptownChief

I'm really interested to see if Peyton Manning is able to avoid the franchise tag. If so the Colts are eff'd. I honestly think he wants to go play for a team that can actually win a game even if he doesn't throw for 350 yards and 3 TD's. I have a gut feeling he ends up with the Jets if he can't be tagged. Very good D and running game is something the Colts haven't ever been able to offer in tandem. Having a coach that isn't lost and confused on the sidelines might be of interest as well especially after that bone head TO that cost them the Jets game last year.
>>
Watching Rothlisberger and A.Rodgers stink it up in one of those playoffs games last year and still move onto the Super Bowl because of defense is something that had to get his attention. >>
>>
Plus New York is convenient for family with Eli already there and it would only boost his endorsement deals being in that market. I also think Rex Ryan's comment about guaranteeing the Super Bowl might have had something to do with this knowledge.>>
>>
If it were about just money then Manning would have signed last season as the Colts were offering him the biggest contract in NFL history and he had no interest in signing it. Clearly Manning wants something and my guess is to give himself a much better chance to get more rings. >>

The Colts would have more than one SB win if Manning wasn't a choker.

That Colt D and running game that you are critisizing is what carried him to his only SB win.

Peyton Manning, most overrated QB in NFL history.

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