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chop · 11-07-2011, 05:13 PM

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Originally Posted by Okie_Apparition

Can we have their TEs
please

I was just thinking about this today actually. The Chiefs could have drafted Gronkowski but went with McCluster instead.

**RealSNR** · 11-07-2011, 05:15 PM

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Originally Posted by chop

I was just thinking about this today actually. The Chiefs could have drafted Gronkowski but went with McCluster instead.

Hell, we could have had Jizzy the reeruned Clown, but we went with McCluster instead.

Extra Point · 11-07-2011, 05:29 PM

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Originally Posted by SNR

Hell, we could have had Jizzy the reeruned Clown, but we went with McCluster instead.

THAT'S

Lonewolf Ed · 11-07-2011, 06:19 PM

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Originally Posted by chop

I was just thinking about this today actually. The Chiefs could have drafted Gronkowski but went with McCluster instead.

CoMoChief · 11-07-2011, 05:13 PM

it's true.

Imagine what a good QB could do for this team.

Okie_Apparition · 11-07-2011, 05:13 PM

That Welcher dude would be nice too

LiveSteam · 11-07-2011, 05:13 PM

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Originally Posted by chop

If the Patriots didn't have Tom Brady they would be the Chiefs (no playmakers).

Hurts but it's kind of true.

Yes it hurts cause it is true

**petegz28** · 11-07-2011, 09:39 PM

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Originally Posted by LiveSteam

Yes it hurts cause it is true

We don't have play makers????

headsnap · 11-07-2011, 10:23 PM

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Originally Posted by petegz28

We don't have play makers????

they are all on IR...

Bewbies · 11-07-2011, 05:14 PM

The Chiefs have a better team as long as you ignore the QB. That position is more important than the rest of them combined.

Oh Snap · 11-07-2011, 08:36 PM

same could be said about 20+ other teams. Why limit it to the chiefs?

Also, the patriots have fallen from grace. Back in 2007-2008, when cassel was with the patriots....he still excelled thanks largely to the supporting cast he had in NE.

I think cassels problems are with the coaching. Sure, he shares some of the blame, but we've had 3 different OC's in the past 3 years. Mix that with a shoddy OL and few playmakers to boot, and we have the perfect storm.

aturnis · 11-07-2011, 09:30 PM

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Originally Posted by Oh Snap

same could be said about 20+ other teams. Why limit it to the chiefs?

Also, the patriots have fallen from grace. Back in 2007-2008, when cassel was with the patriots....he still excelled thanks largely to the supporting cast he had in NE.

I think cassels problems are with the coaching. Sure, he shares some of the blame, but we've had 3 different OC's in the past 3 years. Mix that with a shoddy OL and few playmakers to boot, and we have the perfect storm.

It's not like they've changed to offense, it's just a different guy calling the plays. That defense does not work in this situation.

Oh Snap · 11-08-2011, 01:13 AM

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Originally Posted by aturnis

It's not like they've changed to offense, it's just a different guy calling the plays. That defense does not work in this situation.

I disagree.

And honestly, I don't think the full potential for this team is fully understood, atleast offensively. We have no identity on offense right now, and that is a problem. Its partly why this team is a mediocre team. IF we get the right OC, and adjustments made to the OL, this team can be scarey good imo.

Sure, cassel isnt going to set NFL records as our QB. But he can be a successful game time manager if he has the right supporting cast around him, like he had back in NE. There are several issues facing the offense, but we do have some srs firepower on offense as well. The triple B-threats we have on offense can do some srs damage to opposing secondaries. Once we get Moeaki back, along with Charles, this offense has some srs weapons. The issue imo then becomes the OL and OC. Get those issues fixed (goodbye richardson and Muir) we can finally give Cassel the protection and plays he needs to develop into a legit NFL QB.

I remember Vermiel talking about how we managed to have the dominate offense we had back when he coached. He said it all started with the OL. The OL is the foundation for your offense. If you have a strong OL, you will have a strong offense regardless of who you have at RB and QB. Just look back at our offense under Vermiel. Derrick Blaylock looked like a pro-bowler for christ sake! Even Trent Green was a top 5 QB back then.

We are a couple players away imo from being a srs contender in this league.

aturnis · 11-08-2011, 08:27 AM

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Originally Posted by Oh Snap

I disagree.

And honestly, I don't think the full potential for this team is fully understood, atleast offensively. We have no identity on offense right now, and that is a problem. Its partly why this team is a mediocre team. IF we get the right OC, and adjustments made to the OL, this team can be scarey good imo.

Sure, cassel isnt going to set NFL records as our QB. But he can be a successful game time manager if he has the right supporting cast around him, like he had back in NE. There are several issues facing the offense, but we do have some srs firepower on offense as well. The triple B-threats we have on offense can do some srs damage to opposing secondaries. Once we get Moeaki back, along with Charles, this offense has some srs weapons. The issue imo then becomes the OL and OC. Get those issues fixed (goodbye richardson and Muir) we can finally give Cassel the protection and plays he needs to develop into a legit NFL QB.

I remember Vermiel talking about how we managed to have the dominate offense we had back when he coached. He said it all started with the OL. The OL is the foundation for your offense. If you have a strong OL, you will have a strong offense regardless of who you have at RB and QB. Just look back at our offense under Vermiel. Derrick Blaylock looked like a pro-bowler for christ sake! Even Trent Green was a top 5 QB back then.

We are a couple players away imo from being a srs contender in this league.

Like I said, OC has nothing to do with our injuries and lack of offensive line. Also, inconsistency at OC has nothing to do with why the current OC sucks so bad, nor why the offense sucks so bad. The OC Sucks b/c he sucks, same goes for the OL. A new, GOOD OC will change that, keeping consistency and therefore Muir, will not. The offense has not changed. The fact that the OC has changed is not what's holding this offense back, it's WHO the OC is and injuries and the OL and the QB that hold this offense back. This offense does have an identity, they are a running offense that is having to learn how to deal with the loss of the best RB in the NFL.

milkman · 11-09-2011, 07:57 AM

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Originally Posted by Oh Snap

I disagree.

And honestly, I don't think the full potential for this team is fully understood, atleast offensively. We have no identity on offense right now, and that is a problem. Its partly why this team is a mediocre team. IF we get the right OC, and adjustments made to the OL, this team can be scarey good imo.

Sure, cassel isnt going to set NFL records as our QB. But he can be a successful game time manager if he has the right supporting cast around him, like he had back in NE. There are several issues facing the offense, but we do have some srs firepower on offense as well. The triple B-threats we have on offense can do some srs damage to opposing secondaries. Once we get Moeaki back, along with Charles, this offense has some srs weapons. The issue imo then becomes the OL and OC. Get those issues fixed (goodbye richardson and Muir) we can finally give Cassel the protection and plays he needs to develop into a legit NFL QB.

I remember Vermiel talking about how we managed to have the dominate offense we had back when he coached. He said it all started with the OL. The OL is the foundation for your offense. If you have a strong OL, you will have a strong offense regardless of who you have at RB and QB. Just look back at our offense under Vermiel. Derrick Blaylock looked like a pro-bowler for christ sake! Even Trent Green was a top 5 QB back then.

We are a couple players away imo from being a srs contender in this league.

I had to respond to this seperately.

This is a special kind of stupid.

True fan stupid.

The Chiefs through the 90s had one of the top O-Lines in the league, and among the better defenses.

They could pound the rock, control the clock, created turnovers, intimidate offenses.

The one thing they couldn't do.
Throw the ball.

QB wasn't nearly as important then as it is now, but it was still, even then, even as far back as I've watched football, the most important position on the field.

It's no coincidence that all the great teams all had one single thing in common.

They had great QBs.

Teams like the Bucs, the Ravens, the 85 Bears, teams that played defense had outstanding O-Line play and good running games all only won 1 SB.

They all had one thing in common.

They had marginal, at best, QB play.

Games are won or lost in the trenches.

Championships are won under center.

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11-07-2011, 08:36 PM	#11
Oh Snap Veteran Join Date: Nov 2005 Casino cash: $8934925	same could be said about 20+ other teams. Why limit it to the chiefs? Also, the patriots have fallen from grace. Back in 2007-2008, when cassel was with the patriots....he still excelled thanks largely to the supporting cast he had in NE. I think cassels problems are with the coaching. Sure, he shares some of the blame, but we've had 3 different OC's in the past 3 years. Mix that with a shoddy OL and few playmakers to boot, and we have the perfect storm.
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