SNR's Pipedream Chiefs Mock 04/22 (Now with more trade down!) - Page 2

**RealSNR** · 04-22-2014, 12:14 PM

John Dorsey was on the phone with Carl about potential cheap vacation spots that would be ideal for next year's free agency season, and when he wasn't looking Brandin Cooks and Odell Beckham were snatched away.

He consults his board to pick the best fatty available when he gets a call from the 49ers. They want the spot to jump up and draft Kony Ealy. Chiefs would also really like to have him, so some hardball is played when Dorsey actually finds a spine to negotiate with the 49ers for once. A pretty decent offer is reached.

Chiefs give up 1.23
49ers give up 1.30, 2.56, and 2.61

A deal is made.

Here's what the Chiefs do with those picks:

Disclaimer: This is my pipedream mock. I don't want to hear shit about how this player will never be available when we pick or how that player is overrated. None of this is realistic anyway, because this is going to be the most unpredictable and crazy draft from start to finish that we've seen in a long time. There are a ton of good players that are going to fall into jaw-droppingly late rounds, and there are a ton of questionable players that are going to get taken earlier than they should because NFL GMs are weird and dumb. So... yeah. That's it.

1.30- Kyle Van Noy, OLB/ILB, BYU: Potentially would be Derrick Johnson's replacement, but in the meantime, the Chiefs love what a diverse skillset Van Noy brings. He's unlike anything on the roster currently. What makes this great is even if Houston and Hali stay healthy the entire season, the Chiefs will almost certainly find ways to get Van Noy on the field, including at the inside spot next to DJ on passing downs. He's not the talent that Ealy is, but the Chiefs sacrifice the slight drop in talent for a player with a higher floor and just as much attitude and value as a tool to keep this defense ferocious all season.

2.56- Cody Latimer, WR, Indiana: The Alex pick comes home where it belongs. Latimer is a receiver that probably won't even be available at this pick; there are talks of him jumping up into the 1st round perhaps. If that is the case, look for a player like Jordan Matthews or Donte Moncrief to get targeted by the Chiefs. Ideally ONE of these players would fall to us, but that's part of what makes this a pipedream mock.

2.61- Gabe Jackson, OG, Mississippi State: The Chiefs see a player they possibly considered selecting with their first rounder, if you believe Saccopoo's prognostications at all. Hopefully fix this annoying constant ****ing around with the offensive line for good or until we need to draft another MAC conference LT because we're too ****ing cheap. It also leaves room for an epic training camp battle of fatties... if you're into that sort of thing. Rishaw Johnson's claim of the RG spot isn't necessarily out yet, either. It leaves room for Jackson to push Allen. In any case, I think this pick does an incredible job sealing any doubt about Alex's safety for awhile.

3.87- Jared Abbrederis, WR, Wisconsin: I'll say one thing about McCluster-- in 2013 the dude was pretty steady and reliable as a 3rd down short-midrange possession receiver. What the Chiefs get with Abbrederis is that same consistent option. The potential for growth into something bigger is somewhat low, but the Chiefs don't particularly need that in this pick, necessarily. Also gives us a pretty good kick returner; he definitely has the speed to breakaway once Toub pops open a hole for him to shoot through.

4.124- Charles Sims, RB, West Virginia: When Miles Crane got dinged up in Indy, our running game was never the same with Cyrus. Time to move on from him. I see a lot of Jamaal Charles in Sims. He's perhaps not as tough or electric, but he'll do the things we need him to do if the worst happens. Always gotta keep this position stocked with young talent. Sims is my 2nd or 3rd favorite RB in this draft, so I'm good with taking him this high

5.163- Matt Patchan, OT, Boston College: I've already talked at length all about why I really like Patchan, and there's no reason to think his presence wouldn't be needed. I mean, behind Fisher and Stephenson we have... yeah, right? Also, it's around the 5th or 6th round that I'm comfortable finding swing guys and backups. Any higher and... yeah. Blech.

6.193- Ty Zimmerman, FS, Kansas State Spe-cial tee-eams CLAP CLAP CLAPCLAPCLAP. It's really looking like I'm stealing a bunch of Saccopoo picks, but I swear I'm doing my own homework on this stuff. I like Zimmerman better than a lot of guys like Huff, Ladler, and Boston who will probably get taken before Zimmerman, who gets my nod for the instant special teams contribution he'll be able to make and his ability to not Kendrick Lewis a RB at the edge and let him run free for 30 goddamn yards. Zimmerman is more reliable of a tackler and better at diagnosing route development, but he lacks speed. That's why I'm comfortable keeping him around for depth. He'd be our 5th safety most likely if we keep 5 (Berry and Abdullah starters, Commings and McMillan as primary backups).

6.200- Aaron Lynch, DE/OLB, USF: I have no clue how this guy fits into a 3-4, nor do I care. I also am aware that the Bengals are probably going to draft this guy way earlier than he deserves to go, but nobody can ever say for sure when it comes to an insanely deep draft such as this at this point late in the game. Character concern guy... looks too tall and bumbling to play standup rushbacker, but God, he can rape some bitches when it's on. Worry about what he'll do on the line or off of it later-- instead concentrate on tapping into what made him so incredible of a player his first year at Notre Dame and the last half of the season at USF.

**The Franchise** · 04-22-2014, 03:07 PM

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Originally Posted by kccrow

Wow Pest, if you can do that kind of rape job to the 9ers for our 23rd pick, I vote you new assistant GM in charge of trades....

The realistic trade value for #23 if dropping down to #30 is that we'll also receive #94 (R3) and #170 (R5). That is a far cry from two 2nd round picks.

Edit: As a reference.... Last year the trade from 22 to 30 netted #92 and #198.

This wasn't me. The ****ing thing starts out with SNR

kccrow · 04-22-2014, 03:08 PM

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Originally Posted by Pestilence

This wasn't me. The ****ing thing starts out with SNR

Yep lol, I'm not feeling well today and thus cannot READ.

My bad bro. hahah.

Saccopoo · 04-22-2014, 03:19 PM

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Originally Posted by Pestilence

This wasn't me. The ****ing thing starts out with SNR

Weird...

I always thought you two were the same guy.

**RealSNR** · 04-22-2014, 03:20 PM

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Originally Posted by kccrow

Wow Pest, if you can do that kind of rape job to the 9ers for our 23rd pick, I vote you new assistant GM in charge of trades....

The realistic trade value for #23 if dropping down to #30 is that we'll also receive #94 (R3) and #170 (R5). That is a far cry from two 2nd round picks.

Edit: As a reference.... Last year the trade from 22 to 30 netted #92 and #198.

Actually, I think maybe I was smoking crack. For some reason I was thinking about trading down into the 2nd and what would be required to compensate for that drop. Since the 9ers had two second round picks, I threw both of those in without realizing that I had already accounted for a trade down to the bottom of the first, not the top of the second.

I guess if you want to look at this idea with a more realistic lens, then just ignore either the Cody Latimer pick.

Wow, that was a ****up on my part.

Dunerdr · 04-23-2014, 08:09 AM

I'd jimp

planetdoc · 04-23-2014, 09:21 AM

like the idea of trading down, but dont think most of those players would be good value.

ct · 04-23-2014, 10:13 AM

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Originally Posted by SNR

Actually, I think maybe I was smoking crack. For some reason I was thinking about trading down into the 2nd and what would be required to compensate for that drop. Since the 9ers had two second round picks, I threw both of those in without realizing that I had already accounted for a trade down to the bottom of the first, not the top of the second.

I guess if you want to look at this idea with a more realistic lens, then just ignore either the Cody Latimer pick.

Wow, that was a ****up on my part.

It was a fun pipedream! I'll give ya that!

My pipedream is Manziel or Bridgewater falls to our pick and we hold it for ransom somebody wanting to jump over Cincy perhaps, and we can squeeze better value for the QB prospect and get a 2nd round pick for moving back a few spots.

**Bowser** · 04-23-2014, 10:32 AM

Not that I hate the Charles Sims pick, but I'd switch Sims for a potential sleeper guy at TE there. I think our TE situation is ****ed with Kelce coming off microfracture and Fasano being our #1 guy.

**RealSNR** · 04-23-2014, 10:44 AM

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Originally Posted by Bowser

Not that I hate the Charles Sims pick, but I'd switch Sims for a potential sleeper guy at TE there. I think our TE situation is ****ed with Kelce coming off microfracture and Fasano being our #1 guy.

From what I've found, there aren't really any sleeper prospects.

You've got the big three (Ebron, ASJ, Amaro), a couple guys that can do some interesting stuff (Niklas, Fiedorowicz) and a giant crackhead (Colt Lyerla). The rest of the prospects are going to struggle to meddle around with Sean McGrath in terms of what they can do at the next level. There are no basketball-playing raw unbelievably athletic playmaking TEs who are sleepers in this draft. They're all slow ploddy big blocky prospects who will struggle to get open.

planetdoc · 04-23-2014, 11:41 AM

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Originally Posted by SNR

There are no basketball-playing raw unbelievably athletic playmaking TEs who are sleepers in this draft.

Kelce's teamate:

Blake Annen
6-4, 247
4.41 forty.
http://www.nfl.com/draft/2014/profil...nen?id=2549907
http://www.nfldraftscout.com/ratings...2014&genpos=TE

**RealSNR** · 04-23-2014, 11:51 AM

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Originally Posted by planetdoc

Kelce's teamate:

Blake Annen
6-4, 247
4.41 forty.
http://www.nfl.com/draft/2014/profil...nen?id=2549907
http://www.nfldraftscout.com/ratings...2014&genpos=TE

I should draft him in the 4th round instead of Sims? That's what I was responding to, that Sims is there because the TE talent at that range of the draft is pretty piss poor, unless you need an H-back. If that's the case, then you've got about 57,000 guys to choose from!

planetdoc · 04-23-2014, 12:00 PM

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Originally Posted by SNR

I should draft him in the 4th round instead of Sims?

no, but I wouldnt draft sims either.
Here are the RB on my short list

BigCatDaddy · 04-23-2014, 05:00 PM

Needs more fullback.

04-22-2014, 12:14 PM
RealSNR Special Teams ACE!!! Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: Where the hell is SNR Casino cash: $-1624792	SNR's Pipedream Chiefs Mock 04/22 (Now with more trade down!) John Dorsey was on the phone with Carl about potential cheap vacation spots that would be ideal for next year's free agency season, and when he wasn't looking Brandin Cooks and Odell Beckham were snatched away. He consults his board to pick the best fatty available when he gets a call from the 49ers. They want the spot to jump up and draft Kony Ealy. Chiefs would also really like to have him, so some hardball is played when Dorsey actually finds a spine to negotiate with the 49ers for once. A pretty decent offer is reached. Chiefs give up 1.23 49ers give up 1.30, 2.56, and 2.61 A deal is made. Here's what the Chiefs do with those picks: Disclaimer: This is my pipedream mock. I don't want to hear shit about how this player will never be available when we pick or how that player is overrated. None of this is realistic anyway, because this is going to be the most unpredictable and crazy draft from start to finish that we've seen in a long time. There are a ton of good players that are going to fall into jaw-droppingly late rounds, and there are a ton of questionable players that are going to get taken earlier than they should because NFL GMs are weird and dumb. So... yeah. That's it. 1.30- Kyle Van Noy, OLB/ILB, BYU: Potentially would be Derrick Johnson's replacement, but in the meantime, the Chiefs love what a diverse skillset Van Noy brings. He's unlike anything on the roster currently. What makes this great is even if Houston and Hali stay healthy the entire season, the Chiefs will almost certainly find ways to get Van Noy on the field, including at the inside spot next to DJ on passing downs. He's not the talent that Ealy is, but the Chiefs sacrifice the slight drop in talent for a player with a higher floor and just as much attitude and value as a tool to keep this defense ferocious all season. 2.56- Cody Latimer, WR, Indiana: The Alex pick comes home where it belongs. Latimer is a receiver that probably won't even be available at this pick; there are talks of him jumping up into the 1st round perhaps. If that is the case, look for a player like Jordan Matthews or Donte Moncrief to get targeted by the Chiefs. Ideally ONE of these players would fall to us, but that's part of what makes this a pipedream mock. 2.61- Gabe Jackson, OG, Mississippi State: The Chiefs see a player they possibly considered selecting with their first rounder, if you believe Saccopoo's prognostications at all. Hopefully fix this annoying constant **ing around with the offensive line for good or until we need to draft another MAC conference LT because we're too ing cheap. It also leaves room for an epic training camp battle of fatties... if you're into that sort of thing. Rishaw Johnson's claim of the RG spot isn't necessarily out yet, either. It leaves room for Jackson to push Allen. In any case, I think this pick does an incredible job sealing any doubt about Alex's safety for awhile. 3.87- Jared Abbrederis, WR, Wisconsin: I'll say one thing about McCluster-- in 2013 the dude was pretty steady and reliable as a 3rd down short-midrange possession receiver. What the Chiefs get with Abbrederis is that same consistent option. The potential for growth into something bigger is somewhat low, but the Chiefs don't particularly need that in this pick, necessarily. Also gives us a pretty good kick returner; he definitely has the speed to breakaway once Toub pops open a hole for him to shoot through. 4.124- Charles Sims, RB, West Virginia: When Miles Crane got dinged up in Indy, our running game was never the same with Cyrus. Time to move on from him. I see a lot of Jamaal Charles in Sims. He's perhaps not as tough or electric, but he'll do the things we need him to do if the worst happens. Always gotta keep this position stocked with young talent. Sims is my 2nd or 3rd favorite RB in this draft, so I'm good with taking him this high 5.163- Matt Patchan, OT, Boston College: I've already talked at length all about why I really like Patchan, and there's no reason to think his presence wouldn't be needed. I mean, behind Fisher and Stephenson we have... yeah, right? Also, it's around the 5th or 6th round that I'm comfortable finding swing guys and backups. Any higher and... yeah. Blech. 6.193- Ty Zimmerman, FS, Kansas State Spe-cial tee-eams CLAP CLAP CLAPCLAPCLAP. It's really looking like I'm stealing a bunch of Saccopoo picks, but I swear I'm doing my own homework on this stuff. I like Zimmerman better than a lot of guys like Huff, Ladler, and Boston who will probably get taken before Zimmerman, who gets my nod for the instant special teams contribution he'll be able to make and his ability to not Kendrick Lewis a RB at the edge and let him run free for 30 goddamn yards. Zimmerman is more reliable of a tackler and better at diagnosing route development, but he lacks speed. That's why I'm comfortable keeping him around for depth. He'd be our 5th safety most likely if we keep 5 (Berry and Abdullah starters, Commings and McMillan as primary backups). 6.200- Aaron Lynch, DE/OLB, USF:** I have no clue how this guy fits into a 3-4, nor do I care. I also am aware that the Bengals are probably going to draft this guy way earlier than he deserves to go, but nobody can ever say for sure when it comes to an insanely deep draft such as this at this point late in the game. Character concern guy... looks too tall and bumbling to play standup rushbacker, but God, he can rape some bitches when it's on. Worry about what he'll do on the line or off of it later-- instead concentrate on tapping into what made him so incredible of a player his first year at Notre Dame and the last half of the season at USF.
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