Chiefs Should they have called this unnecessary roughness - Page 2

-King- · 12-08-2019, 11:25 PM

They would call this if it was on Brady #KCvsNE pic.twitter.com/Ml8caUNpxG
— Koro (@nonsmoknlifboat) December 8, 2019

This is an argument I'm having in another thread. Supposedly this hit should have been flagged because Mahomes was heading out of bounds even though he asnt officially out of bounds yet. IMO, there's no way this should be flagged. A player in bounds is a player in bounds and can get hit. As much as I'd love for Mahomes to be protected, objectively there's no way they should call a penalty here.

Also it's weird how people hate the refs but want to add even more subjectivity to how they rule. So now they have to guess if a player is clearly going out of bounds on not? Makes no sense to me but hey...I'm CPs chief contrarian so I may be way off...

TomBarndtsTwin · 12-08-2019, 11:33 PM

It absolutely would have been called if it was on Tom Brady.

Should it be called? Probably not.

Imon Yourside · 12-08-2019, 11:35 PM

Lets be honest if that was Brady they would have thrown a flag AND thrown out the Chiefs defender.

Hammock Parties · 12-08-2019, 11:40 PM

Mahomes went backward at an awkward angle at high velocity into sideline equipment.

The league has to protect the MVP better.

Imon Yourside · 12-08-2019, 11:44 PM

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Originally Posted by Hammock Parties

Mahomes went backward at an awkward angle at high velocity into sideline equipment.

The league has to protect the MVP better.

I keep hearing they are and will yet this happens every game. Hard to believe they want him hurt.

Pitt Gorilla · 12-08-2019, 11:46 PM

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Originally Posted by Imon Yourside

Lets be honest if that was Brady they would have thrown a flag AND thrown out the Chiefs defender.

And kicked the defender's mom in the gooch.

ghak99 · 12-08-2019, 11:50 PM

I thought it should have been called based on the shove, but I suppose it technically started in bounds.

At the time I was actually more worried about him standing up right in front of that big ****ing heater. My smaller versions will melt skin in that range and that thing looks to be much bigger.

-King- · 12-09-2019, 12:02 AM

I really hate that the main defense of this being a penalty seems to be "If this had happened to Tom Brady..."

That's not a legitimate basis of what should or shouldn't be a penalty. It's a backwards way of admitting that it shouldn't be a penalty but based on the hypothetical you've made up in your mind, it is.

We all know if that play happened with Tom Brady and they threw a flag we'd all be screaming bullshit and posting gifs of how he was in bounds when he was hit. And rightfully so. It would be a bullshit penalty no matter who was at QB.

**TinyEvel** · 12-09-2019, 12:03 AM

See, this is why we need Gherig Dieter on the active 53 man roster.

He would have been on the sidelines there and would certainly have thrown himself underneath Mahomes to pad his landing.

**Buehler445** · 12-09-2019, 12:03 AM

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Originally Posted by NJChiefsFan

If they never called it I would be fine with it not being. But in this league that's a penalty. They always call that.

The one they took away with the lb landing on Mahomes, ok, you can talk me into that one. Those kind they don't get consistent ever. But this they almost always call.

This is the answer. They always call that shit. Hell a lot of WRs get that call if they're obviously going OOB.

**Buehler445** · 12-09-2019, 12:04 AM

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Originally Posted by -King-

I really hate that the main defense of this being a penalty seems to be "If this had happened to Tom Brady..."

That's not a legitimate basis of what should or shouldn't be a penalty. It's a backwards way of admitting that it shouldn't be a penalty but based on the hypothetical you've made up in your mind, it is.

We all know if that play happened with Tom Brady and they threw a flag we'd all be screaming bullshit and posting gifs of how he was in bounds when he was hit. And rightfully so. It would be a bullshit penalty no matter who was at QB.

It's not. Everybody gets that call. If he were headed upfield, no. But he was obviously going OOB. They call that.

**DaFace** · 12-09-2019, 12:13 AM

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Originally Posted by -King-

I really hate that the main defense of this being a penalty seems to be "If this had happened to Tom Brady..."

That's not a legitimate basis of what should or shouldn't be a penalty. It's a backwards way of admitting that it shouldn't be a penalty but based on the hypothetical you've made up in your mind, it is.

We all know if that play happened with Tom Brady and they threw a flag we'd all be screaming bullshit and posting gifs of how he was in bounds when he was hit. And rightfully so. It would be a bullshit penalty no matter who was at QB.

It's not just Brady. That gets called probably 80% of the time on any QB.

Bump · 12-09-2019, 12:15 AM

I don't think that should be a penalty. But they would call that 90% of the time and 100% of the time on Tom Brady. It's the inconsistent officiating that bothers me.

saphojunkie · 12-09-2019, 12:41 AM

It’s not a penalty what’s wrong with you people? Bet your ****ing ass they better not call that shit when we play Lamar Jackson.

**Buehler445** · 12-09-2019, 12:42 AM

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Originally Posted by saphojunkie

It’s not a penalty what’s wrong with you people? Bet your ****ing ass they better not call that shit when we play Lamar Jackson.

Lamar doesn't willingly go out of bounds like that.

Plus his vision is better. If he's going to get lit up he does go out.

BWillie · 12-09-2019, 12:47 AM

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Originally Posted by DaFace

Should it be? No. Do they often call that? Absolutely.

This is the correct answer. No sure why it should be a penalty to push a guy while he's still in bounds.

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12-08-2019, 11:25 PM
-King- ▓▓▒▒▒▒▒▒▒▒▒▒▒▒▓▓ Join Date: Jan 2009 Casino cash: $1925743	Should they have called this unnecessary roughness They would call this if it was on Brady #KCvsNE pic.twitter.com/Ml8caUNpxG — Koro (@nonsmoknlifboat) December 8, 2019 This is an argument I'm having in another thread. Supposedly this hit should have been flagged because Mahomes was heading out of bounds even though he asnt officially out of bounds yet. IMO, there's no way this should be flagged. A player in bounds is a player in bounds and can get hit. As much as I'd love for Mahomes to be protected, objectively there's no way they should call a penalty here. Also it's weird how people hate the refs but want to add even more subjectivity to how they rule. So now they have to guess if a player is clearly going out of bounds on not? Makes no sense to me but hey...I'm CPs chief contrarian so I may be way off...
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12-08-2019, 11:33 PM	#16
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12-08-2019, 11:35 PM	#17
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12-08-2019, 11:40 PM	#18
Hammock Parties I'll be back. Join Date: Nov 2002 Casino cash: $4150478	Mahomes went backward at an awkward angle at high velocity into sideline equipment. The league has to protect the MVP better. __________________ Chiefs game films
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12-08-2019, 11:50 PM	#21
ghak99 MVP Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Missouri Casino cash: $1362250	I thought it should have been called based on the shove, but I suppose it technically started in bounds. At the time I was actually more worried about him standing up right in front of that big ****ing heater. My smaller versions will melt skin in that range and that thing looks to be much bigger.
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12-09-2019, 12:02 AM	#22
-King- ▓▓▒▒▒▒▒▒▒▒▒▒▒▒▓▓ Join Date: Jan 2009 Casino cash: $1925743	I really hate that the main defense of this being a penalty seems to be "If this had happened to Tom Brady..." That's not a legitimate basis of what should or shouldn't be a penalty. It's a backwards way of admitting that it shouldn't be a penalty but based on the hypothetical you've made up in your mind, it is. We all know if that play happened with Tom Brady and they threw a flag we'd all be screaming bullshit and posting gifs of how he was in bounds when he was hit. And rightfully so. It would be a bullshit penalty no matter who was at QB. __________________ 🏁
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12-09-2019, 12:03 AM	#23
TinyEvel Just a li'l Evel Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: Bald. Goatee. Jorts. Casino cash: $5187131	See, this is why we need Gherig Dieter on the active 53 man roster. He would have been on the sidelines there and would certainly have thrown himself underneath Mahomes to pad his landing.
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12-09-2019, 12:15 AM	#27
Bump YOU take YOUR seat Join Date: Nov 2007 Casino cash: $1675105	I don't think that should be a penalty. But they would call that 90% of the time and 100% of the time on Tom Brady. It's the inconsistent officiating that bothers me.
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12-09-2019, 12:41 AM	#28
saphojunkie MVP Join Date: Aug 2011 Casino cash: $4406550	It’s not a penalty what’s wrong with you people? Bet your ****ing ass they better not call that shit when we play Lamar Jackson.
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