Don't blame MEH for his performance Monday night

[dlphg9]

I'm no fan of MEH and I never have been, so its hard for me to say this, but his lack of production in the run game on Monday night is on the OL. They did an atrocious job of blocking for him. My initial reaction from the game was that he just had one of his typical shitty games that we have grown accustom to seeing from him, but a look into the stats show that the offensive line failed him.

Clyde had 9 carries for a total of 15 yds, but the most telling stat is his yards before contact (YBC). In his career he has averaged 2.3 YBC/ATT, but Monday night he only had 6 yards before contact on 9 rushes. That comes out to 0.3 YBC/ATT and that means he was getting his pretty much at the line of scrimmage every single play. That is the 2nd lowest YBC/ATT for his entire career and the only game that was less? The Colts game a couple weeks back. In that game he had -6 YBC on 7 rushes. That comes out to -0.9 YBC/ATT.

So lets try to stop blaming him so much for his crappy stats on Monday, because the OL didn't help him even a little.

[ThaVirus]

Originally Posted by siberian khatru

It is just completely different when McKinnon is in the backfield. The speed, the vision, NO hesitation and acceleration. So FREAKING GOOD. #JacobsEyeInTheSky #Chiefs pic.twitter.com/v4OQXVTugD

— Nick Jacobs (@Jacobs71) October 12, 2022

Ugh. This run was so beautiful. He hits the crease, plants that foot down and makes an explosive cut that leaves the defender's jock on the field.

I'd like to see more zones with McKinnon and Pacheco.

[suzzer99]

Originally Posted by siberian khatru

It is just completely different when McKinnon is in the backfield. The speed, the vision, NO hesitation and acceleration. So FREAKING GOOD. #JacobsEyeInTheSky #Chiefs pic.twitter.com/v4OQXVTugD

— Nick Jacobs (@Jacobs71) October 12, 2022

On both of these the twitter preview somehow manages to hitch on the most important part of the play. And once it hitches once, it will always hitch in that spot.

For 10 years embedded twitter has been doing this.

[penguinz]

Originally Posted by dlphg9

I'm no fan of MEH and I never have been, so its hard for me to say this, but his lack of production in the run game on Monday night is on the OL. They did an atrocious job of blocking for him. My initial reaction from the game was that he just had one of his typical shitty games that we have grown accustom to seeing from him, but a look into the stats show that the offensive line failed him.

Clyde had 9 carries for a total of 15 yds, but the most telling stat is his yards before contact (YBC). In his career he has averaged 2.3 YBC/ATT, but Monday night he only had 6 yards before contact on 9 rushes. That comes out to 0.3 YBC/ATT and that means he was getting his pretty much at the line of scrimmage every single play. That is the 2nd lowest YBC/ATT for his entire career and the only game that was less? The Colts game a couple weeks back. In that game he had -6 YBC on 7 rushes. That comes out to -0.9 YBC/ATT.

So lets try to stop blaming him so much for his crappy stats on Monday, because the OL didn't help him even a little.

#1 was running behind the same OL as #25 and looked like a well above average RB.

It is CEH not the OL. The OL does not make CEH run backwards and sideways. The OL does not make CEH run into traffic vs the hole they opened up.

The OL does not tell CEH to look at the pass then turn his head and let it hit his helmet.

[jd1020]

Originally Posted by suzzer99

On both of these the twitter preview somehow manages to hitch on the most important part of the play. And once it hitches once, it will always hitch in that spot.

For 10 years embedded twitter has been doing this.

I dont even try to watch twitter clips outside of the actual tweet any more. Not only doesn't it play right, but it also always takes like half the clip to sharpen up. It's really annoying.

[DJ's left nut]

Originally Posted by jd1020

So this is Clyde's fault? I'm not acting like hes all world or anything but you literally just listed off a bunch of failures on the OL to do their job and pass it off on Clyde for not making chicken salad out of chicken shit.

The mental gymnastics people have to go through to shit on a guy that's 4.4 YPC for his career is pretty insane.

No he's not great. No he's not worth the draft pick. Also, no there isn't a better RB on this team.

A RB's job isn't to make an easy cutback for big yards?

Now the ONLY expectation we have of a starting runningback, draft status be damned, is that he run through open holes when the play is designed to hit that hole?

How many times did Jacobs get us on cut-backs yesterday? A half dozen? And typically Jacobs isn't even that great - certainly not someone know for being elusive or explosive. But he was able to do exactly what you're passing off as wholly impossible here.

The other guys get paid as well, y'know. It doesn't always go to script. I'm not asking the guy to go in motion left, take the handoff and immediately re-set his momentum and cut to the right. I'm saying that a RB coming downhill with a run that appears to have been designed to hit the right side B gap should easily be able to see that giant hole opening on the left side B game and cut into it. It isn't hard and it's not too much to ask.

Yes, I'm absolutely blaming that on Clyde. He's not some short yardage hammer of a RB - he's GOTTA be able to use vision to succeed and it sure looks like he doesn't have that club in his bag.

If all he can do is hit giant holes that open right where they're designed, he's literally as replaceable a player as exists in this sport.

[Chieftain]

Boggles my mind how they keep feeding him the ball. He literally costs you a drive a game at a minimum. Attrocious.

[jd1020]

Originally Posted by DJ's left nut

If all he can do is hit giant holes that open right where they're designed, he's literally as replaceable a player as exists in this sport.

Not saying he isn't replaceable. I would imagine a big part of them drafting Pacheco is just that, to replace CEH. However, Pacheco hasn't shown anything more than Clyde at this point. He wasn't picking up as many yards as CEH. He was bad with the same blocking in which the OL sucked and he was good in the same games that the blocking didn't suck.

CEH is still the best RB we have on the roster. So he may be replaceable, but he's currently not replaceable with the RBs the Chiefs have on their roster.

So wtf are we bitching about 4.5 YPC for every ****ing week, even when he has a good game?

[VAGOMO 4 LIFE!]

Chiefs just signed RB Wayne Gallman

[poolboy]

Jacobs has been damn good all year...they are crazy for not picking up his 5th year

[Bearcat]

Originally Posted by htismaqe

Good ****ing God. It's Bills week and people are arguing about ****ing CEH.

*shotguns beer and breaks femur while dropping 10 feet onto a folding table*



Is that better?

[DJ's left nut]

Originally Posted by jd1020

Not saying he isn't replaceable. I would imagine a big part of them drafting Pacheco is just that, to replace CEH. However, Pacheco hasn't shown anything more than Clyde at this point. He wasn't picking up as many yards as CEH. He was bad with the same blocking in which the OL sucked and he was good in the same games that the blocking didn't suck.

CEH is still the best RB we have on the roster. So he may be replaceable, but he's currently not replaceable with the RBs the Chiefs have on their roster.

So wtf are we bitching about 4.5 YPC for every ****ing week, even when he has a good game?

OP was an attempt to put lipstick on a pig - THAT'S why people are bitching. A fair reading of the responses would be 'pushing back on an unsupportable narrative'.

That 4.5 YPC you note is essentially one decent game. A game where a 7th round rookie was noticeably more explosive than he was. Apart from that game he has 129 yards in 4 games, and 40% of THOSE yards came on a single carry.

He's essentially thrown up 2 bagels in his last 3 starts and in the 3rd of those starts he was outplayed by a rookie. With that context, someone started a thread trying to defend a guy who's demonstrated 2+ seasons of underwhelming performance.

Yeah, that's gonna meet some resistance - as well it should.

[scho63]

I believe that CEH has an issue with his vision looking left.

He misses BIG holes when he starts going right or straight.
He also has problems when he swings to the right for a pass and has to turn his head left to catch. He has had 3 passes doink off him this year already, one he could find.

[penguinz]

Originally Posted by scho63

I believe that CEH has an issue with his vision looking left.

He misses BIG holes when he starts going right or straight.
He also has problems when he swings to the right for a pass and has to turn his head left to catch. He has had 3 passes doink off him this year already, one he could find.

I have noticed that lately as well. Something to watch during bills game.

[crispystl]

Originally Posted by Bearcat

*shotguns beer and breaks femur while dropping 10 feet onto a folding table*



Is that better?

That’s that’s perfect!


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[DRM08]

1st down run plays were a major bummer in the Raiders game. Seemed like it was almost always no gain or a very short gain. Hopefully they can get it figured out.