Tight End

[BryanBusby]

Originally Posted by The Franchise

If you're going to go TE in the first, then I would rather see them take Mayer. You can leave him in as a traditional TE and take that off of Kelce's plate. Then after Kelce retires, you just need to find someone who can basically be our X receiver like Kelce has been.

No thanks. I get the reasoning, but I think Mayer is too far in the other direction.

[Direckshun]

Honestly... the team needs to Kelce-proof this roster.

And I think Dalton Kincaid's the only one of the top tier TEs I wouldn't touch. First of all, he doesn't give you anything Kelce's not already giving you. I wouldn't mind another top-tier TE on this team, but they need a complimentary skillset. Plus Dalton has a back issue.

Washington I'd be lukewarm on, too. I think he's overrated the more I watch him.

But Mayer could crush this scheme with Andy Reid. With the right OC calling plays, he's going to be Jason Witten. I also think Luke Musgrave would slaughter in this scheme as well. Kraft would be a perfect fit with a 2nd round pick (as I don't believe he'll last to our 3rd). Kraft is Dallas Goedert reborn.

A couple other guys make sense as well, but the needs we have elsewhere at WR and DL are too great to dip into those waters.

I think the Chiefs feel the same way? They haven't brought in any TEs for top 30 visits that we know of.

[Dante84]

Originally Posted by Direckshun

Honestly... the team needs to Kelce-proof this roster.

And I think Dalton Kincaid's the only one of the top tier TEs I wouldn't touch. First of all, he doesn't give you anything Kelce's not already giving you. I wouldn't mind another top-tier TE on this team, but they need a complimentary skillset. Plus Dalton has a back issue.

Washington I'd be lukewarm on, too. I think he's overrated the more I watch him.

But Mayer could crush this scheme with Andy Reid. With the right OC calling plays, he's going to be Jason Witten. I also think Luke Musgrave would slaughter in this scheme as well. Kraft would be a perfect fit with a 2nd round pick (as I don't believe he'll last to our 3rd). Kraft is Dallas Goedert reborn.

A couple other guys make sense as well, but the needs we have elsewhere at WR and DL are too great to dip into those waters.

I think the Chiefs feel the same way? They haven't brought in any TEs for top 30 visits that we know of.

As far as those we have documented interest in:

TE
Dalton Kincaid, Utah
Josh Whyle, Cincinnati
Leonard Taylor, Cincinnati
Daniel Barker, Michigan State

That certainly doesn’t mean we haven’t talked to others, though.

[The Franchise]

There are actually a number of TEs that I would love to get. It just all depends on where they go.

Mayer, Musgrave, Kraft, Kuntz, Schoonmaker, Whyle

[Kiimo]

I can't understand how Kuntz tested so well and ran so fast and you just don't see it on film.


dude ran a 4.3 at 6'8

[kccrow]

Originally Posted by Kiimosabi

I can't understand how Kuntz tested so well and ran so fast and you just don't see it on film.


dude ran a 4.3 at 6'8

Well, there's your problem... looking for a 4.3 from a guy that ran 4.55.

[kozzman555]

Originally Posted by kccrow

Well, there's your problem... looking for a 4.3 from a guy that ran 4.55.

Is Kiimosabi my fiance? Cuz she was looking for 6 inches from a guy packing 3 last night.

[Kiimo]

Originally Posted by kozzman555

Is Kiimosabi my fiance? Cuz she was looking for 6 inches from a guy packing 3 last night.

Originally Posted by kccrow

Well, there's your problem... looking for a 4.3 from a guy that ran 4.55.

You guys sure about that

Graduate transfer and 5 year player while also losing his last season to an injury. Great get off to get to the second level quick. Just plain taller and stronger than his competition. Not overly muscular but big enough to knock away DBs. Decent high point. Tests better jumping than in game. One of the best combine performances ever for a TE. Maybe ran a 4.3 40 at 6'7 but clock was wonky. Just okay to not that good at blocking. Leans forward and shoves, no real technique. Bad feet in and out of breaks, chops way too much and loses time gained through initial long strides. Needs to shield better for contested passes, lets guys get inside too easily. Old and might just be a big Y or X at the next level.

[kozzman555]

Originally Posted by Kiimosabi

You guys sure about that

Pretty sure. https://www.nfl.com/videos/zack-kunt...t-2023-combine

I'd attach a picture of my dick, but nobody wants to see that except Direckshun

[kccrow]

Originally Posted by Kiimosabi

You guys sure about that

Yeah, about as 100% as I can be. He is nowhere near a 4.3. Not even in the realm of possibility. The clock wasn't wonky. Do you think he runs as fast or faster than Jalin Hyatt, Marvin Mims, Tyler Scott, etc on tape? If your answer is "not even close," then I think that's all you really need. 4.55 looks extremely accurate actually.

[bigjosh]

Id be hyped if we added a legit number one tight end to pair with the elite number 1 TE in the league in 12 personnel.

Kelce and kincaid or mayer would be an even better version of gronkowski and hernandez.

Then if we could steal a wr in the second like mingo or hyatt this draft would set the offense up for 4 years of cost controlled excellence.


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[Chris Meck]

Here's the thing, and y'all can disagree, and probably will, but-

Any TE you put on the roster (or the ones we have) is not going to get a ton of looks because you have Kelce. I mean, it's just the way it is.

Even in 2 TE sets, Mahomes is going to look Kelce first, because, well, he's Travis Kelce.

So while we'd like to have a replacement ready to go whenever Kelce is less Kelce-like, I don't think it's going to work like that.

I'm not convinced that Gray isn't a TE1 on most teams, for instance. But he's not going to put up TE1 numbers on a team with Travis Kelce.

So while I'm not against drafting a TE, I don't know that I'd do it super early, because I don't think it's going to move the needle at all.

The path to meaningful snaps and more importantly targets is blocked.

So you're basically spending high draft capital to pick a guy that you're really going to utilize to the fullest about the time their rookie deal is up.

That just doesn't seem like a good use of a high pick.

but that's just me.

[bigjosh]

Originally Posted by Chris Meck

Here's the thing, and y'all can disagree, and probably will, but-

Any TE you put on the roster (or the ones we have) is not going to get a ton of looks because you have Kelce. I mean, it's just the way it is.

Even in 2 TE sets, Mahomes is going to look Kelce first, because, well, he's Travis Kelce.

So while we'd like to have a replacement ready to go whenever Kelce is less Kelce-like, I don't think it's going to work like that.

I'm not convinced that Gray isn't a TE1 on most teams, for instance. But he's not going to put up TE1 numbers on a team with Travis Kelce.

So while I'm not against drafting a TE, I don't know that I'd do it super early, because I don't think it's going to move the needle at all.

The path to meaningful snaps and more importantly targets is blocked.

So you're basically spending high draft capital to pick a guy that you're really going to utilize to the fullest about the time their rookie deal is up.

That just doesn't seem like a good use of a high pick.

but that's just me.

Gray isnt a true TE either though. His role will clash with what kelce is good at.

Getting a guy like mayer would allow us to have him do the actual tight end things. Being the sixth blocker and running routes off the tackle.

This will take that burden off of travis and free him up to work from the slot alot more often.

Right now, we have a bunch of one trick ponies at TE.

Fortson and gray are not blockers and are mid receivers at best

Bell is a good blocker and a low end receiver option.

Adding a guy like mayer would allow more versatility at the TE2 position (or TE1 with kelce playing in the slot/outside)


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[BossChief]

Originally Posted by Chris Meck

Here's the thing, and y'all can disagree, and probably will, but-

Any TE you put on the roster (or the ones we have) is not going to get a ton of looks because you have Kelce. I mean, it's just the way it is.

Even in 2 TE sets, Mahomes is going to look Kelce first, because, well, he's Travis Kelce.

So while we'd like to have a replacement ready to go whenever Kelce is less Kelce-like, I don't think it's going to work like that.

I'm not convinced that Gray isn't a TE1 on most teams, for instance. But he's not going to put up TE1 numbers on a team with Travis Kelce.

So while I'm not against drafting a TE, I don't know that I'd do it super early, because I don't think it's going to move the needle at all.

The path to meaningful snaps and more importantly targets is blocked.

So you're basically spending high draft capital to pick a guy that you're really going to utilize to the fullest about the time their rookie deal is up.

That just doesn't seem like a good use of a high pick.

but that's just me.

Agreed on all counts

Good post

[Wilson8]

Originally Posted by Chris Meck

Here's the thing, and y'all can disagree, and probably will, but-
Any TE you put on the roster (or the ones we have) is not going to get a ton of looks because you have Kelce. I mean, it's just the way it is.
Even in 2 TE sets, Mahomes is going to look Kelce first, because, well, he's Travis Kelce.
So while we'd like to have a replacement ready to go whenever Kelce is less Kelce-like, I don't think it's going to work like that.
I'm not convinced that Gray isn't a TE1 on most teams, for instance. But he's not going to put up TE1 numbers on a team with Travis Kelce.
So while I'm not against drafting a TE, I don't know that I'd do it super early, because I don't think it's going to move the needle at all.
The path to meaningful snaps and more importantly targets is blocked.
So you're basically spending high draft capital to pick a guy that you're really going to utilize to the fullest about the time their rookie deal is up.
That just doesn't seem like a good use of a high pick.
but that's just me.

Very good points. For those reasons KC should not invest a 1st round pick on a TE until Kelce decides to retire.

The Chiefs have invested at a very minor level at TE with Noah Gray (5-162), Jody Fortson (UDFA receiver converted to TE), Blake Bell (FA on low $ contracts), Nick Keizer (FA on minimum contract), Deon Yelder (FA on minimum contract), Alex Ellis (FA on minimum contract), Demetrius Harris (UDFA converted basketball player), Orson Charles (FA on minimum contract), James O'Shaughnessy (5-173), Brian Parker (waiver wire claim on minimum contract), Phillip Supernaw (FA on minimum contract), Richard Gordon (FA on minimum contract), Anthony Fasano (FA in 2013 with $16M contract, terminated after earning $9M), and Travis Kelce (3-63 also in 2013 first year of Andy). There were others that never made it out of camp. We have tried the former basketball player conversion a few times.

The Chiefs with luck, skill, and coaching with Travis Kelce have been very successful at the TE position.

BUT...

I think the Chiefs could still be better at TE with the right player.

Maybe with one of the 4th round picks we can strike gold? George Kittle was a 5th round pick (5-146).