Chris Jones, PFF DPOY

[SupDock]

♦️ 14 more pressures than the next DI
♦️ Only DI with over a 20% pass-rush win rate
♦️ 92.0 PFF Grade

PFF's Defensive Player of the Year: Chris Jones pic.twitter.com/ht54lB7UOI

— PFF (@PFF) January 12, 2023

[dlphg9]

Originally Posted by InChiefsHeaven

Wait, I thought PFF sucked though...

Its not great with positions that have more variables and get wonky with there weird fake stats, but they are pretty good with d line, pass rushers, and o line.

[DJ's left nut]

Originally Posted by dlphg9

The guy signed for less than Frank Clark after Frank had sucked shit and then he signed after Buckner and took less than him. He wants an extension, but I don't think he's going to demand being the highest paid defender in history. Aaron Donald is the only the defender to have over $30 mil in AAV. No way he demands that. I could see him asking for $26-$28 mil a year which puts him at top 3.

Maybe see if he would take less AAV for an extra year. I'd like for him to retire as a Chief and DT's age pretty well and Chris has stayed pretty healthy overall.

He didn't really take less than Buckner.

Oh sure, that phony AAV stuff says he did, but AAV isn't terribly relevant when discussing contract 'value'.

Jones took less in overall AAV but he also got more in practical guarantees. A LOT more, in fact. Jones deal had about $60 million in practical guarantees as opposed to Buckners at about $45 million.

And at the time both guys signed their deals, they were seen in a virtually identical light.

Buckner set the market by signing first, Jones signed a deal at market that was structured a little differently than Buckner's was and traded a little in top end for a lot in additional guarantees.

Look at it this way - at the end of this season the Colts can cut Buckner and have paid him 3 years, $56 million with ZERO in dead cap money. Meanwhile if the Chiefs cut Jones this offseason they'll have paid him $61 million AND still carry $7 million in dead cap.

Jones didn't do anyone a 'solid' - he traded a few million bucks at the back end of the deal for a few million bucks in the first 3 years of the deal. In the world of NFL contracts, Jones has a more valuable deal than Buckner got. And in 2020 Jones was not an obviously better player than Buckner.

Jones isn't gonna take a haircut here, fellas. He didn't before and he's unlikely to do so this time around.

[RunKC]

He’s great but let’s be honest here…Nick Bosa is the best defensive player in football

[dlphg9]

Originally Posted by DJ's left nut

He didn't really take less than Buckner.

Oh sure, that phony AAV stuff says he did, but AAV isn't terribly relevant when discussing contract 'value'.

Jones took less in overall AAV but he also got more in practical guarantees. A LOT more, in fact. Jones deal had about $60 million in practical guarantees as opposed to Buckners at about $45 million.

And at the time both guys signed their deals, they were seen in a virtually identical light.

Buckner set the market by signing first, Jones signed a deal at market that was structured a little differently than Buckner's was and traded a little in top end for a lot in additional guarantees.

Look at it this way - at the end of this season the Colts can cut Buckner and have paid him 3 years, $56 million with ZERO in dead cap money. Meanwhile if the Chiefs cut Jones this offseason they'll have paid him $61 million AND still carry $7 million in dead cap.

Jones didn't do anyone a 'solid' - he traded a few million bucks at the back end of the deal for a few million bucks in the first 3 years of the deal. In the world of NFL contracts, Jones has a more valuable deal than Buckner got. And in 2020 Jones was not an obviously better player than Buckner.

Jones isn't gonna take a haircut here, fellas. He didn't before and he's unlikely to do so this time around.

Guess I should have looked a little more into it. Well hopefully he'd be fine with taking less than Donald.

[Cosmos]

Dang..sounds expensive.

2nd place would have been better.

[scho63]

NOW GO GET SACKS IN THE PLAYOFFS!!!

[dlphg9]

Originally Posted by RunKC

He’s great but let’s be honest here…Nick Bosa is the best defensive player in football

Nick Bosa is a stud, but there are a lot more Nick Bosa type players, than there are Chris Jones types. Interior pass rushers are more valuable and disruptive than Nick Bosa type edge rushers.

[ThyKingdomCome15]

Wow, I'm surprised but I'm not. The man deserves it. Hopefully the AP panel sees it the same way.

[DJ's left nut]

Originally Posted by dlphg9

Nick Bosa is a stud, but there are a lot more Nick Bosa type players, than there are Chris Jones types. Interior pass rushers are more valuable and disruptive than Nick Bosa type edge rushers.

Are there, though? Because a "Nick Bosa type player" and a "Brian Burns type player" are not the same type player.

I mean you've got Bosa/Garrett/Parsons in that tier. Maybe you put Crosby in there as well.

At DT you have Donald, Jones, Dexter Lawrence really involves in this discussion at this point and I'd say Quinnen Williams probably does as well.

I think when you're talking the elite of the elite, you're looking 4 deep at both positions. And when you start to get to the Hendrickson, Sweat, Allen, Reddick sorts of players at DE you can counter that with Heyward, Buckner, Simmons, Allen at DT.

They're pretty comparable in terms of scarcity/tiers, IMO.

[smithandrew051]

Hard to imagine how a dude that size can be so explosive with that giant anchor between his legs.

*Billay has entered the chat*

[dlphg9]

Originally Posted by DJ's left nut

Are there, though? Because a "Nick Bosa type player" and a "Brian Burns type player" are not the same type player.

I mean you've got Bosa/Garrett/Parsons in that tier. Maybe you put Crosby in there as well.

At DT you have Donald, Jones, Dexter Lawrence really involves in this discussion at this point and I'd say Quinnen Williams probably does as well.

I think when you're talking the elite of the elite, you're looking 4 deep at both positions. And when you start to get to the Hendrickson, Sweat, Allen, Reddick sorts of players at DE you can counter that with Heyward, Buckner, Simmons, Allen at DT.

They're pretty comparable in terms of scarcity/tiers, IMO.

I mean in history. There aren't near the amount of elite pass rushing D Tackles as there are elite edge rushers.

Also getting an elite pass rush from the inside is more valuable than an outside rush. An interior guy collapses the pocket and leaves the QB pretty vulnerable.

[DJ's left nut]

Originally Posted by dlphg9

I mean in history. There aren't near the amount of elite pass rushing D Tackles as there are elite edge rushers.

History doesn't mean much in a snapshot, copycat league, though.

I mean we'd immediately call Reggie White more like Bosa but I think Reggie would almost certainly be a DT in this era. Deacon Jones likely would've been. Hell, Chris Doleman probably would've been. You can really kinda look at John Randle as the 'transition point'. In the mid 90s, Randle moved from end to the interior. And it was less that Randle changed - the game did.

Before that, if you could rush the passer, they put you on the edge because they needed wider bodies for the interior to clog the run. And the quick passing game wasn't nearly as much a thing so edge rushers could get there in time if they did their job. In the modern era, a lot of those edge rushers from the 70s, 80s and even 90s would be moved inside, IMO. On the flipside, take Chris Jones and put him in 1984 and I am almost positive he'd be playing DE.

It's just a different league than its ever been.

[Tribal Warfare]

Originally Posted by DJ's left nut

History doesn't mean much in a snapshot, copycat league, though.

I mean we'd immediately call Reggie White more like Bosa but I think Reggie would almost certainly be a DT in this era. Deacon Jones likely would've been. Hell, Chris Doleman probably would've been. You can really kinda look at John Randle as the 'transition point'. In the mid 90s, Randle moved from end to the interior. And it was less that Randle changed - the game did.

Before that, if you could rush the passer, they put you on the edge because they needed wider bodies for the interior to clog the run. And the quick passing game wasn't nearly as much a thing so edge rushers could get there in time if they did their job. In the modern era, a lot of those edge rushers from the 70s, 80s and even 90s would be moved inside, IMO. On the flipside, take Chris Jones and put him in 1984 and I am almost positive he'd be playing DE.

It's just a different league than its ever been.

Reggie would be whatever he wanted to on the DL, that man would be a HOFer at any position on the DL no matter the alignment

[cdcox]

I read on ChiefsPlanet that he disappears in games and isn’t any good.

[Rainbarrel]

Will the dick measuring be unannounced or will the other guys get advance notice