Possibility of trading L’Jarius Sneed - Page 2

RunKC · 02-27-2023, 01:52 PM

As we know, crow successfully called the Tyreek trade last year before it happened with a good thread discussion.

This year I think our most likely trade piece could be L’Jarius Sneed. To preface this, I would like to keep him at a fair deal. However, bidness is bidness sometimes. Let’s examine the cases.

Case for trading:

1. He could ask for too much. He has never made the pro bowl or all pro team, so if he asks for $17+ million, I could see a trade happening.

2. This staff is the best in the NFL in finding and squeezing out the best from corners. Breeland, Ward, Fuller, Fenton, Sneed and the rookies from this year. All of them were excellent here and didn’t take long for the young guys to develop.
3. We have at least 9 draft picks. Maybe 10-11. We have more than enough ammo to draft one, or trade up for one if we so choose. We have drafted a corner every year under Spags but one, and that year was when we had 6 draft picks due to trading for Orlando Brown Jr.
4. The 3 corners did well this year. That’s a big feather in the cap having them all cheap for 3 more years. McDuffie can do a lot of what Sneed does (outside, inside, blitz). The cup would not be bare. And again…lot of draft capital.
5. The money freed up from Sneed could be used to keep someone else (Willie Gay?) or get a FA.

The case against:
1. He takes a team friendly contract.
2. We can’t get anything more than a 3rd rd pick for him in a trade.

What do you all think? If you’re Veach what’s your bottom line for money and trade compensation received?

Chris Meck · 03-01-2023, 06:56 AM

Sneed is a guy we can pay, and should, in my opinion. The fact that we have 3 good CB's coming off their rookie seasons means we can absolutely allocate 2nd contract money to Sneed. He's so much more than 'just a corner'.

O.city · 03-01-2023, 08:06 AM

I agree with Chris here.

You've got 3 cheap options, so I can pay one and not worry about it.

Urc Burry · 03-01-2023, 12:57 PM

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Originally Posted by Chris Meck

Sneed is a guy we can pay, and should, in my opinion. The fact that we have 3 good CB's coming off their rookie seasons means we can absolutely allocate 2nd contract money to Sneed. He's so much more than 'just a corner'.

If it’s a 3 yr deal or so then it would be good timing to move that money to McDuffie. Assuming he’s the guy who he looks to be at that time

Just being realistic .. Sneed doesn’t really have the name to bring a no brainer deal. I’d assume you get get a top 60 pick. And I’m not even considering it unless it’s top 40. I’d rather have him for another year and collect a comp pick

**The Franchise** · 03-01-2023, 01:09 PM

And it’s no guarantee that all three CBs are just going to keep improving. There are plenty of guys who looked good their rookie year and then did dick afterwards.

Stryker · 03-01-2023, 08:24 PM

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Originally Posted by The Franchise

And it’s no guarantee that all three CBs are just going to keep improving. There are plenty of guys who looked good their rookie year and then did dick afterwards.

Ok, Wow that is a positive attitude. I will choose -

You are WRONG! Get real man. This is just a ridiculous point of view.

Chris Meck · 03-01-2023, 08:28 PM

If it were me, I'm extending Sneed ASAP. he's such a great chess piece.

**Bowser** · 03-01-2023, 08:38 PM

You sign this guy. It's likely going to cost us keeping Thornhill, but of the two of them, I'm throwing the dollars at Sneed. Sucks, because I'm a Thornhill guy, but Sneed is too good and important to this unit.

**The Franchise** · 03-01-2023, 09:29 PM

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Originally Posted by Stryker

Ok, Wow that is a positive attitude. I will choose -

You are WRONG! Get real man. This is just a ridiculous point of view.

Or….how about this? The genius that posted the shit below doesn’t call anyones takes ridiculous.

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Originally Posted by Stryker

Yes, they are Super Bowl Champions and this is in OUR house!

Trade Clark, Trade CEH, Trade Hardman, cut Thronhill, let JuJu walk - get as MUCH draft capitol as you possibly can. Sneed if need be. Move up in the draft to get Kincaid. Trade for Lazard. Get McKinnon back and you already have Pacheco. The offense would be, MVS, Lazard, Moore, Toney, Kelce, Kincaid, McKinnon, Pacheco and Watson. Holy SHIT!

kccrow · 03-02-2023, 05:18 AM

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Originally Posted by ntexascardfan

I don't mind having one high paid guy at every level of the defense.

Jones, Bolton, Sneed....then fill in around those guys with young talented we drafted + veterans looking to get their hands on a ring.

It's a difficult thing to follow through with.

Let's say you do that on both sides of the ball and these are the approximate values of "high paid"...
QB at 45m
TE at 15m
LT at 25m.
DT at 30m
CB at 18m
LB at 18m.

That's 151m of 224m in cap space, leaving 73m to field a team with a remaining 47 spots which is 1.55m per guy. That's not much room for even low-end or mid-tier guys and you definitely don't want that. You want to have a pretty balanced roster that at least has 5-6 mid-tier talents on each side of the ball.

So of that group above, you're definitely keeping the QB but what are you choosing not to pay? In you're case you don't have an elite TE and you don't have a top-tier LT because you probably have to free up 50m to have a team of about 25 min/rookie tier, 10-12 low-tier (2-4m) and 10 mid-tier (5-10m), and a few elites. Each elite pushes a couple of mid-tier guys down into the min range.

Chris Meck · 03-02-2023, 08:51 AM

good point, Crow.

I think when you have a truly special player, entering his prime, you ought to try to get that done. And when I say 'special' I mean a player that transcends merely playing his position well. I mean a guy that does extra things that other guys can't do.

I think Sneed is a guy that fits that description. Jones, certainly. Anyone else on that defense right now? Not really. There are some very good players, but they're more just playing their position well.

If Bolton had Gay's speed, he'd be that guy. As it is, he's just a really good player.

For example.

RunKC · 03-02-2023, 09:22 AM

FYI there’s a lot of love for the corner class this year. One coach said as many as 10 could be drafted int he first 2 rds and there was a lot of depth.

I think no matter what we should draft another one

O.city · 03-02-2023, 09:37 AM

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Originally Posted by RunKC

FYI there’s a lot of love for the corner class this year. One coach said as many as 10 could be drafted int he first 2 rds and there was a lot of depth.

I think no matter what we should draft another one

Maybe.

But that also pushes down other players at positions we could use

Toad · 03-02-2023, 11:37 AM

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Originally Posted by kccrow

It's a difficult thing to follow through with.

Let's say you do that on both sides of the ball and these are the approximate values of "high paid"...
QB at 45m
TE at 15m
LT at 25m.
DT at 30m
CB at 18m
LB at 18m.

That's 151m of 224m in cap space, leaving 73m to field a team with a remaining 47 spots which is 1.55m per guy. That's not much room for even low-end or mid-tier guys and you definitely don't want that. You want to have a pretty balanced roster that at least has 5-6 mid-tier talents on each side of the ball.

So of that group above, you're definitely keeping the QB but what are you choosing not to pay? In you're case you don't have an elite TE and you don't have a top-tier LT because you probably have to free up 50m to have a team of about 25 min/rookie tier, 10-12 low-tier (2-4m) and 10 mid-tier (5-10m), and a few elites. Each elite pushes a couple of mid-tier guys down into the min range.

Such a great point.
Welcome to Brett’s world needing to look 3-5 years ahead while estimating the future cap limits and balancing the cap dollars by position group.
Drafting well is obviously key, but not every draft year is like last year.

Sassy Squatch · 03-02-2023, 11:56 AM

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Originally Posted by RunKC

Just a friendly reminder that Sneed got knocked out of the Bengals game on one of the first few plays of the game and the 3 rookie corners (and Cook) did a fantastic job against one of the best receiver corps in the league.

Watson has really taken to the Ward boundary corner, McDuffie can play Sneed’s position at a solid level and Williams is a nice #3.

But again it depends on the contract and possible return.

Well, the Bengals were also playing with jack and shit at OL and it was the first game against them recently we were actually able to generate significant and consistent pressure on Burrow.

el borracho · 03-02-2023, 09:19 PM

I'm going to murder you if this happens.

Why is everyone so infatuated with trading our best players for picks all of a sudden? The Chiefs already have a surplus of picks. We don't need 20 more good players to field a competitive team; we need 2 or 3 more great players to complete a dominant roster.

Sneed excels at his position and is one of the few players we should pay market rate to retain. Sneed goes nowhere if I were GM.

02-27-2023, 01:52 PM
RunKC Andy Reid Supporter Join Date: Apr 2012 Casino cash: $-1590389	Possibility of trading L’Jarius Sneed As we know, crow successfully called the Tyreek trade last year before it happened with a good thread discussion. This year I think our most likely trade piece could be L’Jarius Sneed. To preface this, I would like to keep him at a fair deal. However, bidness is bidness sometimes. Let’s examine the cases. Case for trading: 1. He could ask for too much. He has never made the pro bowl or all pro team, so if he asks for $17+ million, I could see a trade happening. 2. This staff is the best in the NFL in finding and squeezing out the best from corners. Breeland, Ward, Fuller, Fenton, Sneed and the rookies from this year. All of them were excellent here and didn’t take long for the young guys to develop. 3. We have at least 9 draft picks. Maybe 10-11. We have more than enough ammo to draft one, or trade up for one if we so choose. We have drafted a corner every year under Spags but one, and that year was when we had 6 draft picks due to trading for Orlando Brown Jr. 4. The 3 corners did well this year. That’s a big feather in the cap having them all cheap for 3 more years. McDuffie can do a lot of what Sneed does (outside, inside, blitz). The cup would not be bare. And again…lot of draft capital. 5. The money freed up from Sneed could be used to keep someone else (Willie Gay?) or get a FA. The case against: 1. He takes a team friendly contract. 2. We can’t get anything more than a 3rd rd pick for him in a trade. What do you all think? If you’re Veach what’s your bottom line for money and trade compensation received?
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03-01-2023, 06:56 AM	#16
Chris Meck MVP Join Date: May 2001 Location: midtown KC Casino cash: $-1325090	Sneed is a guy we can pay, and should, in my opinion. The fact that we have 3 good CB's coming off their rookie seasons means we can absolutely allocate 2nd contract money to Sneed. He's so much more than 'just a corner'.
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03-01-2023, 08:06 AM	#17
O.city In Search of a Life Join Date: Jul 2009 Casino cash: $-685936	I agree with Chris here. You've got 3 cheap options, so I can pay one and not worry about it.
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03-01-2023, 08:28 PM	#21
Chris Meck MVP Join Date: May 2001 Location: midtown KC Casino cash: $-1325090	If it were me, I'm extending Sneed ASAP. he's such a great chess piece.
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03-01-2023, 08:38 PM	#22
Bowser sorta mod-ish Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: KC North Casino cash: $-158384	You sign this guy. It's likely going to cost us keeping Thornhill, but of the two of them, I'm throwing the dollars at Sneed. Sucks, because I'm a Thornhill guy, but Sneed is too good and important to this unit.
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03-02-2023, 08:51 AM	#25
Chris Meck MVP Join Date: May 2001 Location: midtown KC Casino cash: $-1325090	good point, Crow. I think when you have a truly special player, entering his prime, you ought to try to get that done. And when I say 'special' I mean a player that transcends merely playing his position well. I mean a guy that does extra things that other guys can't do. I think Sneed is a guy that fits that description. Jones, certainly. Anyone else on that defense right now? Not really. There are some very good players, but they're more just playing their position well. If Bolton had Gay's speed, he'd be that guy. As it is, he's just a really good player. For example.
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03-02-2023, 09:22 AM	#26
RunKC Andy Reid Supporter Join Date: Apr 2012 Casino cash: $-1590389	FYI there’s a lot of love for the corner class this year. One coach said as many as 10 could be drafted int he first 2 rds and there was a lot of depth. I think no matter what we should draft another one __________________ Mike Greenberg@Espngreeny I can’t fathom what it must be like to be a fan of the #Chiefs. Adopt a Chief: Jared Wiley
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03-02-2023, 09:19 PM	#30
el borracho In Pat We Trust Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: Albuquerque, NM Casino cash: $2559148	Possibility of trading L’Jarius Sneed I'm going to murder you if this happens. Why is everyone so infatuated with trading our best players for picks all of a sudden? The Chiefs already have a surplus of picks. We don't need 20 more good players to field a competitive team; we need 2 or 3 more great players to complete a dominant roster. Sneed excels at his position and is one of the few players we should pay market rate to retain. Sneed goes nowhere if I were GM.
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