***NON-POLITICAL COVID-19 Discussion Thread***

[JakeF]

A couple of reminders...

Originally Posted by Bwana

Once again, don't come in this thread with some kind of political agenda, or you will be shown the door. If you want to go that route, there is a thread about this in DC.

Originally Posted by Dartgod

People, there is a lot of good information in this thread, let's try to keep the petty bickering to a minimum.

We all have varying opinions about the impact of this, the numbers, etc. We will all never agree with each other. But we can all keep it civil.

Thanks!

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Spoiler!

Apparently the CoronaVirus can survive on a inanimate objects, such as door knobs, for 9 days.

California coronavirus case could be first spread within U.S. community, CDC says
By SOUMYA KARLAMANGLA, JACLYN COSGROVE
FEB. 26, 2020 8:04 PM

The Centers for Disease Control and Prevention is investigating what could be the first case of novel coronavirus in the United States involving a patient in California who neither recently traveled out of the country nor was in contact with someone who did.

“At this time, the patient’s exposure is unknown. It’s possible this could be an instance of community spread of COVID-19, which would be the first time this has happened in the United States,” the CDC said in a statement. “Community spread means spread of an illness for which the source of infection is unknown. It’s also possible, however, that the patient may have been exposed to a returned traveler who was infected.”

The individual is a resident of Solano County and is receiving medical care in Sacramento County, according to the state Department of Public Health.

The CDC said the “case was detected through the U.S. public health system — picked up by astute clinicians.”

Officials at UC Davis Medical Center expanded on what the federal agency might have meant by that in an email sent Wednesday, as reported by the Davis Enterprise newspaper.

The patient arrived at UC Davis Medical Center from another hospital Feb. 19 and “had already been intubated, was on a ventilator, and given droplet protection orders because of an undiagnosed and suspected viral condition,” according to an email sent by UC Davis officials that was obtained by the Davis Enterprise.

The staff at UC Davis requested COVID-19 testing by the CDC, but because the patient didn’t fit the CDC’s existing criteria for the virus, a test wasn’t immediately administered, according to the email. The CDC then ordered the test Sunday, and results were announced Wednesday. Hospital administrators reportedly said in the email that despite these issues, there has been minimal exposure at the hospital because of safety protocols they have in place.

A UC Davis Health spokesperson declined Wednesday evening to share the email with The Times.

Since Feb. 2, more than 8,400 returning travelers from China have entered California, according to the state health department. They have been advised to self-quarantine for 14 days and limit interactions with others as much as possible, officials said.

“This is a new virus, and while we are still learning about it, there is a lot we already know,” Dr. Sonia Angell, director of the California Department of Public Health, said in a statement. “We have been anticipating the potential for such a case in the U.S., and given our close familial, social and business relationships with China, it is not unexpected that the first case in the U.S. would be in California.”

It is not clear how the person became infected, but public health workers could not identify any contacts with people who had traveled to China or other areas where the virus is widespread. That raises concern that the virus is spreading in the United States, creating a challenge for public health officials, experts say.

“It’s the first signal that we could be having silent transmission in the community,” said Lawrence Gostin, director of the World Health Organization Collaborating Center on National and Global Health Law. “It probably means there are many more cases out there, and it probably means this individual has infected others, and now it’s a race to try to find out who that person has infected.”

On Tuesday, the CDC offered its most serious warning to date that the United States should expect and prepare for the coronavirus to become a more widespread health issue.

“Ultimately, we expect we will see coronavirus spread in this country,” said Nancy Messonnier, director of the CDC’s National Center for Immunization and Respiratory Diseases. “It’s not so much a question of if, but a question of when.”

According to the CDC’s latest count Wednesday morning, 59 U.S. residents have tested positive for the new strain of coronavirus — 42 of whom are repatriated citizens from a Diamond Princess cruise. That number has grown by two since Messonnier’s last count Tuesday, although the CDC was not immediately available to offer details on the additional cases.

More than 82,000 cases of coronavirus have been reported globally, and more than 2,700 people have died, with the majority in mainland China, the epicenter of the outbreak.

But public health leaders have repeatedly reminded residents that the health risk from the novel coronavirus to the general public remains low.

“While COVID-19 has a high transmission rate, it has a low mortality rate,” the state Department of Public Health said in a statement Wednesday. “From the international data we have, of those who have tested positive for COVID-19, approximately 80% do not exhibit symptoms that would require hospitalization. There have been no confirmed deaths related to COVID-19 in the United States to date.”

CDC officials have also warned that although the virus is likely to spread in U.S. communities, the flu still poses a greater risk.

Gostin said the news of potential silent transmission does not eliminate the possibility of containing the virus in the U.S. and preventing an outbreak.

“There are few enough cases that we should at least try,” he said. “Most of us are not optimistic that that will be successful, but we’re still in the position to try.”

[Discuss Thrower]

Originally Posted by BWillie

Not really. Someone making dry non-perishable food can hawk a loogey on your food. By the time you get it the virus is dead. It's not going to survive from distribution channel to grocery store to you long enough.

1) The fact you went there mentally... ew

2) That isn't the problem. The problem is if one person in the supply chain gets sick and cannot work and there isn't a ready replacement for them or if someone, say your friendly Hyvee meat market guy, gets diagnosed then that shuts down the aforementioned meat market -if not the entire friendly Hyvee store- and its employees presumed infected for a long period of time.

[ToxSocks]

Originally Posted by The Franchise

Or gas stations. That’s where I found some. In fact he was confused why I was buying multiple packs from him.

Local markets.

I've had no problems finding supplies at my local mexican markets.

[PAChiefsGuy]

Originally Posted by synthesis2

If the economy you mean that hundreds of thousands of families raising kids end up on the streets then guilty.

Killing the elderly isn't going to stop a lot of people from getting sick and flooding our hospitals with a virus that there is no vaccine for.

[BWillie]

Originally Posted by displacedinMN

kids are carriers. My father in law lives in a 55+ place in Palm Springs. They have been told to NOT LET people come visit for four weeks.

Kids are like bats. They are carriers of this disease but it doesn't seem to cause them any symptoms. Even teenagers rarely "get it". If we are serious about it, schools should be cancelled. But that is easier said than done due to day care and those who can WFH will claim they can't do their job if they have a 6-10 year old running around.

[Donger]

Originally Posted by pugsnotdrugs19

I don’t think it takes a scientist to understand that a bunch of people have the shit right now. They don’t even necessarily know it which means it’s being passed to others by them. And that cycle will just continue for a period of time.

The incubation period is too slow to keep it from spreading. But we can limit the quickness of it spreading by staying out of large crowds.

Great, so your gut. Thankfully, we have actual numbers. And no country, not even China, has seen exponential growth of cases. There are 137,000 cases GLOBALLY right now.

[synthesis2]

Originally Posted by PAChiefsGuy

Killing the elderly isn't going to stop a lot of people from getting sick and flooding our hospitals with a virus that there is no vaccine for.

What I mean is if the economy gets back on track and we don’t stop everything causing families to go into poverty vs the elderly /sick who are going to die soon anyway die a little earlier then I would rather the kids have a shot in life.

If you have to choose one or the other I choose the youth over the elderly/sick and I bet if you asked them they would want the kids to live and have a good life

[BWillie]

Originally Posted by synthesis2

Well if that’s true and 30/40 year old healthy people are dying then it’s another story. My understanding was 99.7% of under 60 healthy didn’t die and ended up fine with little to no symptoms . If this is incorrect and 2 plus percent of healthy younger people are dying then it’s a who new problem .

Is 3 or 4 out of 1,000 healthy people dying from a virus that could infect 30-60% of the population acceptable to you? Not even taking into account the 18%+ death rate for the elderly.

The coronavirus is heavily contagious. Again, how many times have you got the flu? How many times have you got a cold? A cold is a type of a coronavirus. A cold is contagious as hell, it's just that it is only a nuisance while this is much more dangerous.

[pugsnotdrugs19]

Originally Posted by Donger

Great, so your gut. Thankfully, we have actual numbers. And no country, not even China, has seen exponential growth of cases. There are 137,000 cases GLOBALLY right now.

That we know of. Big key bit of context there.

U.S. is way, way behind in terms of test administration and overall preparation in general.

And it isn’t just my gut. There’s info out there now at this point from professionals in this field: https://docs.google.com/document/d/1...JI/mobilebasic

[FloridaMan88]

Originally Posted by pugsnotdrugs19

So on the very low end 1.3M die in the next year.

That’s a **** ton.

12,000+ deaths in America during the 2009-2010 Swine Flu Pandemic... a significant % of those deaths from younger people... were you equally as panicked then?

Refer back to the supposed scientific data you are basing your panic on to explain specifically why/how the COVID-19 pandemic is and will be worse than the 2009-2010 Swine Flu pandemic.

Give us specifics, not hypothetical/fear mongering bullshit.

The 2009-2010 Swine Flu pandemic killed 12,000+ in the US and 500,000+ worldwide yet society didn’t shut down.

What is specifically different and more dangerous about COVID-19?

[Donger]

Originally Posted by pugsnotdrugs19

That we know of. Big key bit of context there.

U.S. is way, way behind in terms of test administration and overall preparation in general.

Yes, and unless we see exponential growth, here and globally, in the next few weeks, it's likely not going to happen. This isn't influenza.

[BlackOp]

Originally Posted by mdchiefsfan

Someone please correct me if I am wrong, but my opinion as to why this pandemic is being so heavily feared in comparison to ones in the past is because of the state of the US healthcare system.

Or because scaring the shit out people is profitable for the media...why people believe a word they say is beyond me. Everything is exaggerated, distorted, sensationalized and fabricated...

They are a fear delivery device...we were warned decades ago.

People want to be scared...they are just waiting for a new reason. Its why they watch that drivel...they crave destruction from a distance.

[DaneMcCloud]

Originally Posted by SAUTO

if you need toilet paper check your local auto parts store. our o'reilly's is stocking it today

Thanks, Brother!

I'm actually okay for a while, as I had two full toilet paper packages from Costco in my garage before this crisis arose but after those are gone...

[FloridaMan88]

Originally Posted by BWillie

Kids are like bats. They are carriers of this disease but it doesn't seem to cause them any symptoms. Even teenagers rarely "get it". If we are serious about it, schools should be cancelled. But that is easier said than done due to day care and those who can WFH will claim they can't do their job if they have a 6-10 year old running around.

So cancel schools and remove children from a controlled environment, generally separated from higher risk segments of the population for 8+ hours a day and increase their exposure to the rest of society?

[PAChiefsGuy]

Originally Posted by KCChiefsFan88

12,000+ deaths in America during the 2009-2010 Swine Flu Pandemic... a significant % of those deaths from younger people... were you equally as panicked then?

Refer back to the supposed scientific data you are basing your panic on to explain specifically why/how the COVID-19 pandemic is and will be worse than the 2009-2010 Swine Flu pandemic.

Give us specifics, not hypothetical/fear mongering bullshit.

The 2009-2010 Swine Flu pandemic killed 12,000+ in the US and 500,000+ worldwide yet society didn’t shut down.

What is specifically different and more dangerous about COVID-19?

The coronavirus has spread way more than the Swine flu did.

Look if you all want to keep downplaying this virus then go ahead but i don't think that's smart. A lot of ppl could die from this including our family members and it is spreading like crazy

[SupDock]

Originally Posted by BlackOp

Or because scaring the shit out people is profitable for the media...why people believe a word they say is beyond me. Everything is exaggerated, distorted and fabricated...

They are a fear delivery device...

People want to be scared...they are just waiting for a new reason. It why they watch that drivel...they crave destruction from a distance.

Is the WHO exaggerating?