Chiefs Why people are disappointed: Exhibit A - Talent Evaluation - Page 22

**OnTheWarpath15** · 12-14-2009, 11:24 AM

Since there seems to be several myths, excuses and some flat-out lies about why some folks are pissed off about this team right now, I thought I'd put together a few threads explaining, as clearly as I can, where people are coming from.

One of the bigger excuses is the infamous, "Pioli inherited a shitty team."

Let me make this clear: I do not disagree.

However, that doesn't excuse the Executive of the Decade for the team being no better now than it was this time last year - and you could make an argument that it is worse.

And one of the reasons why this team still sucks is simple:

The Executive of the Decade missed BADLY on talent evaluation.

I just spent a few minutes researching the transactions Pioli has made since taking the job, and it's even worse than I originally thought.

Counting draft picks, trades and signings, Pioli is responsible for FORTY FIVE new players to this organization.

And of these 45, it's fair to say that only Succop and Chambers are clear upgrades to their predecessors.

Two. Out of forty-five.

That's a whopping 4% success rate.

I'm sorry, but blaming Herm here is ridiculous. The best players on this team are Herm's players.

Looking at the current roster - including the active roster, PS and IR - 54% of the players currently in this organization are Pioli's.

Exactly half of the current starting 22 are Pioli's.

And this team is ONE win better than a 2008 squad that featured Tyler ****ing Thigpen at QB, and employed Gunther Cunningham as the DC.

With the majority being Pioli's hand-picked players.

Let the excuses flow like fine wine.

Discus.

This ought to be fun - let's hit that Millionth post.

Mecca · 12-16-2009, 02:03 PM

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Originally Posted by beach tribe

Got rid of LJ.
I believe they will double last years wins.
Secured the kicker position
Picked up Chambers. (yes, he's better than anyone we had, and will contribute.)

That's not much, but I believe the big work happens this off-season. The only FULL off-season they've had.

LOL yes a kicker!

And they only got rid of LJ after he made them before that they continued to run him out on the field over Charles, that's a glowing endorsement that they know what they're doing.

beach tribe · 12-16-2009, 02:03 PM

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Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud

Of course you don't. Is that your new excuse? You've used it twice this week alone.

You never responded.

Then THIS gem:

No response on either.

But I get it: You're just too busy.

Without Matt Ryan it doesn't mean shit.

philfree · 12-16-2009, 02:04 PM

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Originally Posted by DeezNutz

Ok, but you really haven't addressed the question.

What has he started to build? Are there any new pieces to the foundation? Does a 5 tech count? The kicker?

The puddle of mud is enough? At least that ugly ass house isn't here any longer?

That would appear to be part of the foundation of our 34 D. Moving Dorsey to DE and him picking up his game is part of the foundation. Save a NT our D Line has some what of a foundation being laid. That said it's till to early to know or judge. Thsi team isn't being built for 2009 that's just where it started.

PhilFree

**DaneMcCloud** · 12-16-2009, 02:04 PM

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Originally Posted by tooge

Man, you guys are good at dodging questions. Sooooo, would you have signed Canty, Haynesworth, or Brown, or all three? Do you think that would have translated into more than 6 wins?

If Herm were the coach, there would have been no reason to sign Canty or Haynesworth. Brown would have been a nice signing.

I think the Chiefs would have chosen plenty of offensive lineman, a MLB like Maualuga and would have continued on the path of rebuilding this franchise with youth.

Would that have translated to more wins? Absolutely. Even with Thigpen at QB, a better offensive line and a better defense (along with Tony Gonzalez & Chan Gailey) would have produced at LEAST six wins, if not eight or more.

This defense was not far away from competing. The offensive line could have used a new starting center and right tackle. One more solid draft under Herm would have gone a long way toward respectability.

Now, the Chiefs are an Expansion Franchise. And if you haven't noticed, Cleveland & Houston have not won a playoff game.

Mecca · 12-16-2009, 02:04 PM

So he can identify a QB and Scott Pioli can't...

**DaneMcCloud** · 12-16-2009, 02:05 PM

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Originally Posted by beach tribe

Without Matt Ryan it doesn't mean shit.

Bullshit.

But go ahead and claim that nonsense because you don't have a leg to stand on in this debate.

As usual.

And what's Denver's excuse?

You failed to address that one as well.

Or are you going to claim that without Orton, they'd suck?

**DeezNutz** · 12-16-2009, 02:05 PM

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Originally Posted by beach tribe

Got rid of LJ.
I believe they will double last years wins.
Secured the kicker position
Picked up Chambers. (yes, he's better than anyone we had, and will contribute.)

That's not much, but I believe the big work happens this off-season. The only FULL off-season they've had.

Succop and Chambers are definitely positives, though we still need more evidence from the latter.

Regarding LJ, let's be honest, he did that to himself. Pioli made the right decision, but was there really a choice?

And how sickening is it that Charles was being grossly misused before LJ went stupid on Twitter?

Coogs · 12-16-2009, 02:05 PM

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Originally Posted by dirk digler

Yep that is why I give Carl credit for saying a few years ago Chief fans don't have enough patience for a rebuild which is true.

I have plenty of patience if there is evidence the rebuild is being done right. Being done right does not necessarily mean it has to be the way I would like it done. Being done right means we should be seeing signs of progress. The Steelers game was obviously an outlier to the data that has been collected so far. It gave us all false hope. The reality is this rebuild has not begun to get off the ground yet. In fact, it may have been pushed back another year or two by poor decision making by the talent evaluators... and that is what I don't have patience for.

tooge · 12-16-2009, 02:06 PM

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Originally Posted by Mecca

Who said you had to sign all 3 of them?

I was just simply asking for SOMETHING, add a foundation piece, we got none. This would be like going man I'm building a house lets get that foundation laid down...then a year later after you put down a cardboard box going..hrm still no foundation I see.

last years FA crop sucked. Canty is a role player, like Alex Magee, but Magee is a rook and will take a year to develop. Haynesworth is very good. Also injury prone, in the prime of his career, so by the time this team is a perennial contender, he is declining, and yet we would have paid a hundred million for him. Brown is OK. Thats it, OK. Not an impact player. This offseason boils down to Pioli knowing that a Haynesworth type of signing, although it pleases the internet GM's such as you, really doesn't translate into building a perennial contender because the team around him is so bad. So, rather than pull a Carl Peterson and bring in a few big dollar guys to sell tix, he is sticking to his plan to build a contender for the long haul.

**dirk digler** · 12-16-2009, 02:06 PM

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Originally Posted by DeezNutz

Herm ball would have beat the Raiders at home.

He didn't do it last year what makes you think he would have done it this year?

Mecca · 12-16-2009, 02:06 PM

There you go supporters defend that one, LJ started over Charles, Charles was even inactive 1 week, is that a glowing endorsement that they know what they're doing?

Fish · 12-16-2009, 02:06 PM

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Originally Posted by Rooster

I think it is a generation thing. It's an instant reward type world some grew up in. If you can line up a bunch of digital shit on a video game you should be able to do the same in the real world.

I predicted 3 wins this season. I didn't expect anything close to instant reward. But I did expect just a little bit of progress. Something, anything to indicate we're headed in the right direction and actually building something. The fact is, many are scratching their heads trying to come up with a short list of improvements over last season, and coming up with next to nothing.

Mecca · 12-16-2009, 02:06 PM

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Originally Posted by tooge

last years FA crop sucked. Canty is a role player, like Alex Magee, but Magee is a rook and will take a year to develop. Haynesworth is very good. Also injury prone, in the prime of his career, so by the time this team is a perennial contender, he is declining, and yet we would have paid a hundred million for him. Brown is OK. Thats it, OK. Not an impact player. This offseason boils down to Pioli knowing that a Haynesworth type of signing, although it pleases the internet GM's such as you, really doesn't translate into building a perennial contender because the team around him is so bad. So, rather than pull a Carl Peterson and bring in a few big dollar guys to sell tix, he is sticking to his plan to build a contender for the long haul.

Yea well that didn't stop us from using the 3rd pick on a role player and then trading for a shitty QB, but hey all is well.

**dirk digler** · 12-16-2009, 02:07 PM

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Originally Posted by Mecca

And I think you are high. Haley has been far away the worst coach in the league this year.

And yet he still out coached Herm with 22 players off the street

Mecca · 12-16-2009, 02:07 PM

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Originally Posted by KC Fish

I predicted 3 wins this season. I didn't expect anything close to instant reward. But I did expect just a little bit of progress. Something, anything to indicate we're headed in the right direction and actually building something. The fact is, many are scratching their heads trying to come up with a short list of improvements over last season, and coming up with next to nothing.

The worst part is there's no progress if anything they've gotten worse, especially Cassel.

12-14-2009, 11:24 AM
OnTheWarpath15 MVP Join Date: Sep 2005 Casino cash: $2021115	Why people are disappointed: Exhibit A - Talent Evaluation Since there seems to be several myths, excuses and some flat-out lies about why some folks are pissed off about this team right now, I thought I'd put together a few threads explaining, as clearly as I can, where people are coming from. One of the bigger excuses is the infamous, "Pioli inherited a shitty team." Let me make this clear: I do not disagree. However, that doesn't excuse the Executive of the Decade for the team being no better now than it was this time last year - and you could make an argument that it is worse. And one of the reasons why this team still sucks is simple: The Executive of the Decade missed BADLY on talent evaluation. I just spent a few minutes researching the transactions Pioli has made since taking the job, and it's even worse than I originally thought. Counting draft picks, trades and signings, Pioli is responsible for FORTY FIVE new players to this organization. And of these 45, it's fair to say that only Succop and Chambers are clear upgrades to their predecessors. Two. Out of forty-five. That's a whopping 4% success rate. I'm sorry, but blaming Herm here is ridiculous. The best players on this team are Herm's players. Looking at the current roster - including the active roster, PS and IR - 54% of the players currently in this organization are Pioli's. Exactly half of the current starting 22 are Pioli's. And this team is ONE win better than a 2008 squad that featured Tyler ****ing Thigpen at QB, and employed Gunther Cunningham as the DC. With the majority being Pioli's hand-picked players. Let the excuses flow like fine wine. Discus. This ought to be fun - let's hit that Millionth post.
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Mecca Hockey Town Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Kansas City, Missouri Casino cash: $-782950	There you go supporters defend that one, LJ started over Charles, Charles was even inactive 1 week, is that a glowing endorsement that they know what they're doing?
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