Kudos to Veach and the OL

[staylor26]

Originally Posted by ThaVirus

Uh, yeah, of course. Didn't you just agree with me on that earlier when you said Belichick is a great defensive mind but only serviceable on the offensive side? BelichickHC may be able to maximize many defender's potential, but I don't think he's able to do so as consistently on the offensive side, and certainly not with QBs like Mac Jones and Bailey Zappe at the helm.

Weird that you'd hyper focus on that little bit of it, though. There are positional coaches and coordinators with their hand in the pot as well, not to mention, again, the uber important QB position. I just don't think many offensive players are going to look great playing in NE with Mac Jones.

Oh so coaching is why Tyquan Thornton, N'Keal Harry, Cole Strange, Isaiah Wynn, Mac Jones, etc. were busts?

It's a talent issue not coaching. Rhamondre Stevenson, probably there single good/recent offensive draft pick, is talented and a good football player, while those guys are not. You're trying to make this seem way more complicated than it is.

We aren't talking about some garbage organization with a history of destroying the careers of good football players. Quite the opposite.

He had McDaniels for most of those awful drafts I've been talking about, so it's not like his coaching was terrible on the side of the ball outside of last season.

If it were just a coaching isssue, you would've seen a lot of those offensive guys go elsewhere and looks better. That's what typically happens when the coaching is the problem.

This is nothing more than an excuse and a ****ing cop out, because you refuse to call a spade a spade. You wouldn't be doing this for any other GM with an awful draft history of almost a decade now.

Originally Posted by ThaVirus

More like "none of the guys he drafted while he was in New England would have been drafted here" actually.

And I don't think a bust will suddenly become a hit here, but a below average starter might become serviceable or a average starter might become a plus starter.

Belichick drafts HIS guys. He has a very specific type, and he doesn't stray away from that type. Cole Strange would've been sitting in his lap in KC, just like every other one of HIS guys that he's reached for over the years.

He passed on McDuffie (and Karlaftis actually) to trade back with us and take Cole ****ing Strange. If he were actually good at this, and knew how good McDuffie was going to be, that doesn't happen.

[ThaVirus]

Originally Posted by staylor26

Oh so coaching is why Tyquan Thornton, N'Keal Harry, Cole Strange, Isaiah Wynn, Mac Jones, etc. were busts?

It's a talent issue not coaching. Rhamondre Stevenson, probably there single good/recent offensive draft pick, is talented and a good football player, while those guys are not. You're trying to make this seem way more complicated than it is.

We aren't talking about some garbage organization with a history of destroying the careers of good football players. Quite the opposite.

He had McDaniels for most of those awful drafts I've been talking about, so it's not like his coaching was terrible on the side of the ball outside of last season.

If it were just a coaching isssue, you would've seen a lot of those offensive guys go elsewhere and looks better. That's what typically happens when the coaching is the problem.

This is nothing more than an excuse and a ****ing cop out, because you refuse to call a spade a spade. You wouldn't be doing this for any other GM with an awful draft history of almost a decade now.






Belichick drafts HIS guys. He has a very specific type, and he doesn't stray away from that type. Cole Strange would've been sitting in his lap in KC, just like every other one of HIS guys that he's reached for over the years.

He passed on McDuffie (and Karlaftis actually) to trade back with us and take Cole ****ing Strange. If he were actually good at this, and knew how good McDuffie was going to be, that doesn't happen.

I'm not reading any of this

[staylor26]

Originally Posted by ThaVirus

I'm not reading any of this

Tapout acknowledged.

Have a good weekend you dumb mother****er.

[staylor26]

"If you magically swapped Belichick and Veach...everything would change!"

Yea, all of a sudden, Belichick's drafts would stop being dog shit with even less picks than he had in NE, and picking later!

[ThaVirus]

Your argument is weird anyway.

You're saying that bringing all of BelichickGM's picks here would change our team enough to prevent us from forming a dynasty while claiming that my argument that surrounding players with completely different coaching and personnel might just change their individual performance is absurd.

Which is just a small example argument I've made anyway. I'm not hyper focused on bringing all of BelichickGM's picks here. You really think it would turn out exactly the same way lol

[Easy 6]

Virus is the black zilla, once he takes a stance theres no going back

[ThaVirus]

Originally Posted by Chief Ten Beers

Virus is the black zilla, once he takes a stance theres no going back

Seen a lot of instances in which Staylor changes his mind, have ya? Lol.

[staylor26]

Originally Posted by ThaVirus

Your argument is weird anyway.

You're saying that bringing all of BelichickGM's picks here would change our team enough to prevent us from forming a dynasty while claiming that my argument that surrounding players with completely different coaching and personnel might just change their individual performance is absurd.

Which is just a small example argument I've made anyway. I'm not hyper focused on bringing all of BelichickGM's picks here. You really think it would turn out exactly the same way lol

No my argument is very ****ing simple.

If you take away arguably the best drafting GM of the last 5 years, and replace him with arguably the worst drafting GM of the last 7-8, there's no chance that the Chiefs don't skip a beat and are sitting here with 2 rings and a great ****ing roster.

Again, the Chiefs got their 2nd SB because Veach had the balls to trade Tyreek, and then he turned around and had what looks like the best draft in franchise history. That rookie class was absolutely instrumental in our success last year.

What reason do I have to believe that Belichick wouldn't have completely ****ed last year's draft up?

He literally passed on our best player from that class, when he also needed a CB.

[ThaVirus]

You're right, though. We've completely ruined this thread by going back and forth saying the same shit over and over again for the last couple hundred posts. No one wants to read this shit.

I did ask NWO and Meck questions so I'll just respond to them and try to keep it brief.

[O.city]

The virus crushed this thread

[ThaVirus]

Originally Posted by O.city

The virus crushed this thread

I’ll let you tell it, brother!

[RealSNR]

Originally Posted by O.city

The virus crushed this thread

Just for posting that, I'm going to stop flossing. 100%

I've got a Sonicare and mouthwash. Nobody needs to floss.

[Pasta Little Brioni]

Morons act like it's easy to pull this many QUALITY starters over and over consistently

[staylor26]

Originally Posted by Pasta Little Brother

Morons act like it's easy to pull this many QUALITY starters over and over consistently

You mean you don't think "the Chiefs have missed on players in the draft too!" is a good argument?

As if the Veach has missed anywhere near the rate that Belichcik has for almost a decade.