Chiefs Chiefs are 63m under the cap - Page 23

Pasta Little Brioni · 02-12-2012, 03:39 PM

A TD is a TD. Quit making excuses dude. They are all earned.

milkman · 02-12-2012, 03:40 PM

And yes, Kolb and Skelton were better than Cassel, and it isn't even debatable.

Messier · 02-12-2012, 04:07 PM

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And yes, Kolb and Skelton were better than Cassel, and it isn't even debatable.

I know we all hate Cassel, but this is wrong.

-King- · 02-12-2012, 04:08 PM

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I know we all hate Cassel, but this is wrong.

I don't think Kolb is better than Cassel, but I agree with him on Skelton.

Messier · 02-12-2012, 04:15 PM

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I don't think Kolb is better than Cassel, but I agree with him on Skelton.

I really didn't see Skelton play very much. I went and looked at his stats and they're not impressive. He's started a total of 11 games over his first two seasons. I think I'd need to see him for a full year, because Elvis Grbac looked really impressive when he had 5 starts for the 49ers.

milkman · 02-12-2012, 04:17 PM

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I know we all hate Cassel, but this is wrong.

Last season, Kolb and Skelton each started 8 games, and each had more 200 yard passing games in their respective 8 starts than Matt Cassel had in his 15 starts in 2010.

Skelton had two really bad games, one with 99 yards, the other with 115 yards.

He really played really well down the stretch in leading the Cardinals to 3 wins in their last 4 games, including a win against the 9ers.

Kid has upside.

Kevin Kolb had a single game in which he passed for fewer than 200 yards, a 153 yard game against the Ravens.

The Cardinals gave up too much for him, and he likely will not be starting in a couple of years, but he's still better than Cassel, and so is Skelton.

Messier · 02-12-2012, 04:42 PM

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Originally Posted by milkman

Last season, Kolb and Skelton each started 8 games, and each had more 200 yard passing games in their respective 8 starts than Matt Cassel had in his 15 starts in 2010.

Skelton had two really bad games, one with 99 yards, the other with 115 yards.

He really played really well down the stretch in leading the Cardinals to 3 wins in their last 4 games, including a win against the 9ers.

Kid has upside.

Kevin Kolb had a single game in which he passed for fewer than 200 yards, a 153 yard game against the Ravens.

The Cardinals gave up too much for him, and he likely will not be starting in a couple of years, but he's still better than Cassel, and so is Skelton.

Sounds like you're basing your opinion on passing yards per game. I don't know if that tells you much. Cassel has the second most passing yards in a single game in Chiefs history.

Skelton and Kolb might be better than Cassel, (although, I doubt it with Kolb) but it's early to say it isn't debatable.

milkman · 02-12-2012, 04:52 PM

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Sounds like you're basing your opinion on passing yards per game. I don't know if that tells you much. Cassel has the second most passing yards in a single game in Chiefs history.

Skelton and Kolb might be better than Cassel, (although, I doubt it with Kolb) but it's early to say it isn't debatable.

I'm basing it more on what I've seen, and providing numbers that speak to a measure of consistency that Cassel has lacked from the first game he stepped on the field for the Patriots, and more to his lack of consistency as a Chief, where he has been asked to do more than Josh McDaniels asked of him in New England.

Both Kolb and Skelton played more consistently, and better than Cassel

milkman · 02-12-2012, 07:42 PM

I guess all we need to do is make sure Cassel plays all of his games against weak opponents, or from the spread with the most talented receivers in the league.

We can make him a franchise QB yet!

Messier · 02-12-2012, 07:50 PM

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I guess all we need to do is make sure Cassel plays all of his games against weak opponents, or from the spread with the most talented receivers in the league.

We can make him a franchise QB yet!

I was just posting those stats because you said Skelton had a better 8 game stretch than Cassel has ever had. Yeah the Chiefs played crappy teams, the Cards had some cupcakes during Skelton's 8 games as well, but I guess when you beat crappy teams you must not be crappy.

milkman · 02-12-2012, 07:55 PM

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I was just posting those stats because you said Skelton had a better 8 game stretch than Cassel has ever had. Yeah the Chiefs played crappy teams, the Cards had some cupcakes during Skelton's 8 games as well, but I guess when you beat crappy teams you must not be crappy.

Skelton also had a good game against the 9ers, not a crappy team, and as I said, I used those games to support my eyeball test.

I didn't watch every game, but I did watch that 9er game as well the Bengal game and the final game against the Seahawks, not to mention a couple of game when he was a rookie the year before.

He looked like an NFL QB in 2011, making huge strides from his rookie season.

Matt Cassel doesn't.

Messier · 02-12-2012, 07:58 PM

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Skelton also had a good game against the 9ers, not a crappy team, and as I said, I used those games to support my eyeball test.

I didn't watch every game, but I did watch that 9er game as well the Bengal game and the final game against the Seahawks, not to mention a couple of game when he was a rookie the year before.

He looked like an NFL QB in 2011, making huge strides from his rookie season.

Matt Cassel doesn't.

Cassel is an NFL QB, and would make a really good back up.

milkman · 02-12-2012, 08:02 PM

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Cassel is an NFL QB, and would make a really good back up.

We disagree.

Any QB who wilts at the first sign of pressure is not an NFL calibre QB.

Most of the time, it's faux pressure.

chiefzilla1501 · 02-12-2012, 07:53 PM

I don't know what we're arguing about.

Neither Skelton nor Cassel are very good QBs right now. I don't think it matters which one is shit and which one is deluxe shit.

milkman · 02-12-2012, 07:57 PM

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I don't know what we're arguing about.

Neither Skelton nor Cassel are very good QBs right now. I don't think it matters which one is shit and which one is deluxe shit.

The difference is that Skelton was in his second season and took huge strides, and showed tremendous upside.

Matt Cassel is essentially a 30 year old jouneyman who has passed his prime upside years.

He has no upside.

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chiefzilla1501 In Search of a Life Join Date: Aug 2008 Casino cash: $-1795503	I don't know what we're arguing about. Neither Skelton nor Cassel are very good QBs right now. I don't think it matters which one is shit and which one is deluxe shit.
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