Off-season WR possibilities

[Reerun_KC]

Seeing a lot of teams with sub .500 records with WRs that need to get with Mahomes.

Who is available and who would you like to see us pursue to go with Rice and Watson.

[Megatron96]

Originally Posted by Couch-Potato

Top Trade Candidates
-Adams
-Cooper
-Ayiuk
-Higgins
-Pickens

Top FA Targets
-Evans
-Pittman
-Lockett?
-Ridley
-Brown

Top mid 1st to late 2nd RD Draft Targets
-Coleman
-Legette
-Egbuka
-Worthy
-Franklyn
-Wilson
-Mitchell
-Thomas
-Polk
-Corley

^If you let Jones & Sneed go (also assuming MVS) you have like $65m to spend, if you keep one or both you're probably more likely to go 1st RD WR.

I think there's little to no chance Veach will go after any of those 'Top Trade Candidates.' Can't afford either the compensation or the $$$ they'd command.

Doubt we'll be able to get Evans. Also don't think he'll be a good fit. Of the ones left, maybe Pittman or Brown. Gun to my head, I'd guess Veach goes after Brown.

[JPH83]

Surprised noone has thrown out OBJ, who's looked pretty damn good the last few games. One year flier might be more plausible than some of the options?

[New World Order]

Originally Posted by JPH83

Surprised noone has thrown out OBJ, who's looked pretty damn good the last few games. One year flier might be more plausible than some of the options?

I thought the rumor was he is going to retire after the season

[Megatron96]

Originally Posted by JPH83

Surprised noone has thrown out OBJ, who's looked pretty damn good the last few games. One year flier might be more plausible than some of the options?

I would take a hard look, but I feel like he's ether aged out of possibility or he'll ask for too much.




The more time passes, the more I feel like Veach really should've over-paid for DHop though. He really feels like he was the best possible option given the circumstances. Oh well.

[tredadda]

Originally Posted by Red Dawg

It's going to be a real challenge to build a power house for any team with an expensive QB. Brady was cheaper by a lot in 22.

Brady was also never the standard bearer for QB salaries either. He always had Manning to carry that burden.

[tredadda]

Originally Posted by MahomesMagic

I am not saying it's easy. But Veach/Reid chose the path of trading away their #1 HOF WR and so it is on them to figure it out. Just saying everything isn't a reasonable price looks like a bad idea when there are no veteran WR's on the team our QB trusts.

Giving massive playing time to guys like Skyy Moore, Justin Watson, Toney, and MVS in a Mahomes prime year and one of the last years of Travis Kelce is gross negligence and roster mismanagement.

They did figure it out after trading away Tyreek, hence the #1 offense last year as well as a SB win.

For the above receivers, looking in hindsight it's clear that things did not go according to plan, but.........

1. Moore was going into year two and there was no reason to not expect him to improve.
2. Watson is what he is. Good for a couple catches a game. He was never going to be more than WR #4.
3. Toney has all the traits to be a #1 WR. His issue was always injuries. No one could have seen the issues he is having before the season started.
4. MVS was never going to be a true #1, but even based on his previous season he has regressed a ton. There was no way to see that coming.

Now on the other hand Rice is far outperforming even the most generous of estimates, so that was an unexpected positive. But to think Veach saw all of this and did nothing about it is ridiculous and very heat of the moment. He banked on a similar level of production. He guessed wrong. No GM is perfect. If KC goes into next season with this roster of WRs then he is negligent.

[MahomesMagic]

Originally Posted by tredadda

They did figure it out after trading away Tyreek, hence the #1 offense last year as well as a SB win.

For the above receivers, looking in hindsight it's clear that things did not go according to plan, but.........

1. Moore was going into year two and there was no reason to not expect him to improve.
2. Watson is what he is. Good for a couple catches a game. He was never going to be more than WR #4.
3. Toney has all the traits to be a #1 WR. His issue was always injuries. No one could have seen the issues he is having before the season started.
4. MVS was never going to be a true #1, but even based on his previous season he has regressed a ton. There was no way to see that coming.

Now on the other hand Rice is far outperforming even the most generous of estimates, so that was an unexpected positive. But to think Veach saw all of this and did nothing about it is ridiculous and very heat of the moment. He banked on a similar level of production. He guessed wrong. No GM is perfect. If KC goes into next season with this roster of WRs then he is negligent.

They figured it out last year, they didn't figure it out this year.

And last year wasn't about them creating this great build.

It was Mahomes and Kelce being absolute stars, Reid's schemed efficiency adjustments to 2021 kicking in, etc.

There was no reason to believe they had THE formula as Kelce was aging out and JuJu was leaving.

There was zero reason to trust Moore. Toney had flashes but he was known to always be injured and they barely played him last year.

[Jerm]

Originally Posted by chiefzilla1501

I mean, there’s some truth to what Jerm is saying. We didn’t luck into a Super Bowl but we did kind of steal one. Last year was supposed to be a rebuild. It wasn’t just at WR, it was playing a bunch of DBs with no experience whatsoever. But spags coached the hell out of them, and it turns out that our determination to beat cincy got us into the right offensive scheme at the right time.

You can’t blame veach for doubling down on it. But we’re seeing the flaws in the long term strategy. And several of us were uneasy about skimping on offense to do it. We can’t just blame this on regression as if we have the right players but they just suck a little more. They regressed because defenses adjusted to us and now we have the wrong players and they don’t have enough talent to overcome defenses playing us better. This year we’re back to talent being way more important than scheme on offense.

Some try to use the “who could’ve seen this happen” statement as if we didn’t triple down on slots with serious limitations on the outside, as if we didn’t triple down on catch and run guys, let alone getting a little cute trying to prove we can moneyball our way through the next decade. All the while playing roulette with our coaching staff.

That’s ok. We bandaid this offense this year, which I still am hopeful we can.the good news is we learned a valuable lesson, even if it was the hard way. This team goes as the offense goes. That is always going to be our best path to success.

I appreciate you understanding what I was trying to say and not get hysterical…

When I say they heisted one, people automatically assume I mean something with a negative connotation and freak out…

We had so many things go right last year it’s not even funny and that’s all I was trying to say…10-3 in one score games which is insane, being gifted the #1 seed on the freakiest of freak medical occurrences, Mahomes’ injury not being as bad as it looked and him being able to play through it, MVS turning into prime Jerry Rice in the AFC Championship, and getting a questionable call at the end of the Super Bowl.

How many times will those things all happen and land in your favor? That’s what I meant…it wasn’t proof of anything, it was a GREAT season that felt quite charmed if we’re all being honest with ourselves….and a lot of people won’t and I get it.

The proof of concept would’ve been if it had worked this season too and well….yeah.

I *get* why Veach doubled down on it cause hell you just won the Super Bowl but you could see it wasn’t sustainable.

[MahomesMagic]

Originally Posted by Jerm

I appreciate you understanding what I was trying to say and not get hysterical…

When I say they heisted one, people automatically assume I mean something with a negative connotation and freak out…

We had so many things go right last year it’s not even funny and that’s all I was trying to say…10-3 in one score games which is insane, being gifted the #1 seed on the freakiest of freak medical occurrences, Mahomes’ injury not being as bad as it looked and him being able to play through it, MVS turning into prime Jerry Rice in the AFC Championship, and getting a questionable call at the end of the Super Bowl.

How many times will those things all happen and land in your favor? That’s what I meant…it wasn’t proof of anything, it was a GREAT season that felt quite charmed if we’re all being honest with ourselves….and a lot of people won’t and I get it.

The proof of concept would’ve been if it had worked this season too and well….yeah.

I *get* why Veach doubled down on it cause hell you just won the Super Bowl but you could see it wasn’t sustainable.

But even if you wanted to use last year as a model (I wouldn't) then you need to replace JuJu.

If they had signed DHop as that bandaid replacement then it probably does work.

The problem is they let their #1 WR walk and had no viable plan to replace him.

[Jerm]

Originally Posted by MahomesMagic

But even if you wanted to use last year as a model (I wouldn't) then you need to replace JuJu.

If they had signed DHop as that bandaid replacement then it probably does work.

The problem is they let their #1 WR walk and had no viable plan to replace him.

I don’t disagree but I don’t think it was just about replacing JuJu….I think that entire room just played well over their heads for one season and it worked.

It was magical….for 2022. It wasn’t going to work beyond that.

[O.city]

The wr room wasn’t really much better last year than this year. McKinnon had an outlier year, and Kelce was a monster

It really was an outlier

[Special_K]

Keon Coleman would look great in this offense:

https://twitter.com/CFBRep/status/17...140027576.html

[MahomesKnows]

I know he's getting up there in age, but Mike Evans would be a huge lift to the offense. I'm sure he'd be expensive but he'd be my top pick at WR in FA. I think Hollywood Brown would be a decent fallback option. Spend the 1st on OL and go back to the well for a round 2 WR.

[Chief Pagan]

Originally Posted by RunKC

The best player at every level of our defense is a FA. We'll need the picks and money.

Trading a 1st and using money seems like a really bad idea

We don't need a defense, we don't need a starting caliber LT...

Just Mahomes and three WR1.

[JPH83]

Originally Posted by New World Order

I thought the rumor was he is going to retire after the season

Ah right, kind of makes sense. Given his injuries he'd be a big gamble. I was just thinking if we freed up enough money it's possible we could get e.g. Brown with OBJ.