Chiefs Why people are disappointed: Exhibit A - Talent Evaluation - Page 24

**OnTheWarpath15** · 12-14-2009, 11:24 AM

Since there seems to be several myths, excuses and some flat-out lies about why some folks are pissed off about this team right now, I thought I'd put together a few threads explaining, as clearly as I can, where people are coming from.

One of the bigger excuses is the infamous, "Pioli inherited a shitty team."

Let me make this clear: I do not disagree.

However, that doesn't excuse the Executive of the Decade for the team being no better now than it was this time last year - and you could make an argument that it is worse.

And one of the reasons why this team still sucks is simple:

The Executive of the Decade missed BADLY on talent evaluation.

I just spent a few minutes researching the transactions Pioli has made since taking the job, and it's even worse than I originally thought.

Counting draft picks, trades and signings, Pioli is responsible for FORTY FIVE new players to this organization.

And of these 45, it's fair to say that only Succop and Chambers are clear upgrades to their predecessors.

Two. Out of forty-five.

That's a whopping 4% success rate.

I'm sorry, but blaming Herm here is ridiculous. The best players on this team are Herm's players.

Looking at the current roster - including the active roster, PS and IR - 54% of the players currently in this organization are Pioli's.

Exactly half of the current starting 22 are Pioli's.

And this team is ONE win better than a 2008 squad that featured Tyler ****ing Thigpen at QB, and employed Gunther Cunningham as the DC.

With the majority being Pioli's hand-picked players.

Let the excuses flow like fine wine.

Discus.

This ought to be fun - let's hit that Millionth post.

**dirk digler** · 12-16-2009, 02:15 PM

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Originally Posted by Mecca

No I don't we used our first 2 draft picks on complimentary players. And to top that off Jackson has done nothing while Magee plays roughly 10 snaps a game.

Aren't we supposed to be patient with rookie D-Lineman so why the expectations? Dorsey didn't do shit last year either.

Fish · 12-16-2009, 02:15 PM

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Originally Posted by dirk digler

Mecca I want to go back and address your no foundation players comment. Do you not believe that both Jackson and Magee are not foundation type players? I know they aren't sexy picks but they could solidify their positions for years to come.

How many 5-tech 3-4 lineman are foundational players for other teams?

Magee? Seriously?

**dirk digler** · 12-16-2009, 02:16 PM

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Originally Posted by Mecca

LOL the only players on this team that are any good are Herms players, all of Pioli's moves have sucked nuts.

If Haley would stop trying to call a game like he's playing Madden 10 we might have a couple more wins.

I thought you didn't care about wins?

Mecca · 12-16-2009, 02:16 PM

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Originally Posted by philfree

So a complimentry position player isn't part of the foundation. I would think those guys are where the foundation was built.

PhilFree

Using a top 5 pick on a complimentary player is surely the best way to build a champion right?

Mecca · 12-16-2009, 02:17 PM

When did Dirk turn into a reerun? This week has not been kind to him.

**DeezNutz** · 12-16-2009, 02:18 PM

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Originally Posted by dirk digler

Mecca I want to go back and address your no foundation players comment. Do you not believe that both Jackson and Magee are not foundation type players? I know they aren't sexy picks but they could solidify their positions for years to come.

To me, a foundational player must either play one of the most important positions on the field or be an impact player, a game changer.

QB, LT, WR, RB, NT (34), LB (who can rush the QB or who is an absolute monster in the middle, Patrick Willis), CB, or S.

Unless a 34 DE transcends his position, he's not a foundational player, IMO.

Mecca · 12-16-2009, 02:19 PM

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Originally Posted by DeezNutz

To me, a foundational player must either play one of the most important positions on the field or be an impact player, a game changer.

QB, LT, WR, RB, NT (34), LB (who can rush the QB or who is an absolute monster in the middle, Patrick Willis), CB, or S.

Unless a 34 DE transcends his position, he's not a foundational player, IMO.

That sums it up.

philfree · 12-16-2009, 02:20 PM

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Originally Posted by Mecca

If Jackson is your foundation then we are building a trailer.

You're premature with your evaluation but it fits your argument. If Jackson makes strides in his second year like Dorsey has his then maybe we'll end up in a double wide. LOL

PhilFree

**dirk digler** · 12-16-2009, 02:20 PM

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Originally Posted by KC Fish

How many 5-tech 3-4 lineman are foundational players for other teams?

Magee? Seriously?

Richard Seymour...not saying he is equal to him just using him as an example

Magee on the other hand I have seen some flashes from him when he gets to play but he still has a ways to go.

Mecca · 12-16-2009, 02:21 PM

Tyson Jackson could be the best 5 tech in the league and he'd still never live up to that draft position.

Mecca · 12-16-2009, 02:22 PM

I also like how everyone goes to Seymour as the comparison. I think we should just pop up the best OT and go "hey Ogden man"

**dirk digler** · 12-16-2009, 02:22 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mecca

When did Dirk turn into a reerun? This week has not been kind to him.

This week? I haven't hardly been on this week so what the hell are you talking about?

Mecca · 12-16-2009, 02:24 PM

I think I'm just going to go bury my head in the sand and tell myself everything is going to work out just cause I like the Chiefs, seems to work for some.

philfree · 12-16-2009, 02:25 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DeezNutz

To me, a foundational player must either play one of the most important positions on the field or be an impact player, a game changer.

QB, LT, WR, RB, NT (34), LB (who can rush the QB or who is an absolute monster in the middle, Patrick Willis), CB, or S.

Unless a 34 DE transcends his position, he's not a foundational player, IMO.

I disagree. Those are highly visible players. Shutters, soffits, paint and trim. You never see the foundation because it's down in the ground holding up the rest of the house. Foundation players are the guys that go unnoticed while doing the very impoartant dirty work. If not then why would they have used the word foundation?

PhilFree

tooge · 12-16-2009, 02:25 PM

This thread will be a good one to bump a year from now regardless of the outcome.

12-14-2009, 11:24 AM
OnTheWarpath15 MVP Join Date: Sep 2005 Casino cash: $2041115	Why people are disappointed: Exhibit A - Talent Evaluation Since there seems to be several myths, excuses and some flat-out lies about why some folks are pissed off about this team right now, I thought I'd put together a few threads explaining, as clearly as I can, where people are coming from. One of the bigger excuses is the infamous, "Pioli inherited a shitty team." Let me make this clear: I do not disagree. However, that doesn't excuse the Executive of the Decade for the team being no better now than it was this time last year - and you could make an argument that it is worse. And one of the reasons why this team still sucks is simple: The Executive of the Decade missed BADLY on talent evaluation. I just spent a few minutes researching the transactions Pioli has made since taking the job, and it's even worse than I originally thought. Counting draft picks, trades and signings, Pioli is responsible for FORTY FIVE new players to this organization. And of these 45, it's fair to say that only Succop and Chambers are clear upgrades to their predecessors. Two. Out of forty-five. That's a whopping 4% success rate. I'm sorry, but blaming Herm here is ridiculous. The best players on this team are Herm's players. Looking at the current roster - including the active roster, PS and IR - 54% of the players currently in this organization are Pioli's. Exactly half of the current starting 22 are Pioli's. And this team is ONE win better than a 2008 squad that featured Tyler ****ing Thigpen at QB, and employed Gunther Cunningham as the DC. With the majority being Pioli's hand-picked players. Let the excuses flow like fine wine. Discus. This ought to be fun - let's hit that Millionth post.
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12-16-2009, 02:17 PM	#350
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12-16-2009, 02:21 PM	#355
Mecca Hockey Town Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Kansas City, Missouri Casino cash: $-762950	Tyson Jackson could be the best 5 tech in the league and he'd still never live up to that draft position.
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12-16-2009, 02:22 PM	#356
Mecca Hockey Town Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Kansas City, Missouri Casino cash: $-762950	I also like how everyone goes to Seymour as the comparison. I think we should just pop up the best OT and go "hey Ogden man"
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12-16-2009, 02:24 PM	#358
Mecca Hockey Town Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Kansas City, Missouri Casino cash: $-762950	I think I'm just going to go bury my head in the sand and tell myself everything is going to work out just cause I like the Chiefs, seems to work for some.
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12-16-2009, 02:25 PM	#360
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