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Hootie · 10-18-2009, 09:31 AM

So...

Do you guys still think Tom Brady is better than Peyton Manning?

Everyone always said that he played with the better supporting cast...which is why Tom was better.

Now Peyton is playing behind a terrible offensive line and throwing to the likes of Austin Collie and Pierre Garcon...having arguably his best year ever...just like I always said...it wasn't the OTHER players...it was Peyton Manning.

So...

Is Brady still better than Manning?

Just curious.

Titty Meat · 02-08-2010, 02:51 AM

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Originally Posted by KcChiefsKing

The Saints d-line was "pwnt" by the Colts. Whats your point?

The Saints were playing keep away from Manning. Which is funny why would you play keep away from an scrub like Manning?

Mecca · 02-08-2010, 02:54 AM

The argument in general is dumb, I don't know why anyone would care so much about a player being great or sucking when he isn't on our team.

It's not like we have a QB we're trying to say is better so I don't really get why Manning has so many threads on here.

Hootie · 02-08-2010, 03:18 AM

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Originally Posted by jjchieffan

You know why Manning sat out the second quarter? The Colts had 2 possessions in the second quarter. They managed 6 plays. If Mr. "Flawless" was able to move the ball on that first possession, then maybe they could have taken their momentum from the first quarter and put the game away. Then, how about the end of the quarter? As great as Manning is, you think he could have managed a first down to keep the Saints from getting the ball back and scoring a field goal. But no. He went 3 and out, allowing the Saints a short field and 3 points that they should never have had a chance to get.

well I have no respect for someone's opinion when they didn't watch the game...because clearly you weren't watching

Mastashake · 02-08-2010, 03:54 AM

There's no need to debate this. The fact there are people out there who feel this tainted his reputation as the best quarterback ever PROVES it has influenced people's opinion of him.

If the question is if it changed people's opinion on whether or not he's the greatest of all time, the answer HAS TO BE yes. The fact there's any debate over it whatsoever proves it did to a certain extent.

If you're debating whether it was a fluke or indication of his performance on an epic level, only time will tell. The only purpose debating it fulfills is our own personal pleasure.

Sweet Daddy Hate · 02-08-2010, 04:19 AM

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Originally Posted by The Bad Guy

For my money, I'm taking Manning.

"Girl you betta' gimme' dat' money"!(woo!)

'Hamas' Jenkins · 02-08-2010, 04:26 AM

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Originally Posted by The Meat Dragon

well I'm never going to define greatness in the NFL by Super Bowl wins and losses...asking a QB to be 100% flawless in a Super Bowl is ridiculous...

if you guys really watched that game and want to peg that loss squarely on the shoulders of Peyton Manning then so be it...

You seemed to have a pretty easy time tearing apart Tom Brady for not being impressive by winning Super Bowls by driving his team into winning position time after time.

Fantasy trophies mean shit in the NFL. I don't think you've ever understood that.

Dr. Van Halen · 02-08-2010, 04:42 AM

Further, I think even less of Tom Brady for not even making the Super Bowl this year.

michaelj_58 · 02-08-2010, 04:47 AM

manning choked last night, i dont remember montana choking n the superbowl

'Hamas' Jenkins · 02-08-2010, 04:51 AM

Hootie has displayed a truly appalling amount of relativism in this, and basically every thread, in which he's proven wrong time and time again.

Manning is the GOAT of all time because he makes Marvin Harrison into one of the most productive receivers ever. Eddie Kennison would have had just as good of a career.

Tonight? Manning's downfall is blamed on Reggie Wayne.

Collie and Garcon mean nothing, he can do it with anyone, then Brees has a better supporting cast.

Manning only made one bad throw the entire game?

Well, what about that overthrow on 3rd down on the first drive that cost them a chance to get 7?

What about that bad decision on the out route on the game changing drive before he thew a ball that was almost intercepted by Jenkins?

Let's also remember that the Colts had twice as many yards rushing as the Saints, the same number of rushing attempts, so their running game was far more productive.

The Colts defense also gave Manning a turnover on the 2 yard line, basically saving him from having to score another 7 points.

Manning is the offensive coordinator and coach of the team, he calls all the plays and waves the punt team off the field...unless there are two minutes left in the half and then all of a sudden all calls go directly through Caldwell, who's never called an offensive play in his life.

The entire game flipped on the Garcon drop, but not the Colston drop.

What an embarrassing display.

Yeah, Manning played well last night. But he's the most important player on the team, and the other guy's most important player outperformed him, despite having no help from a running game. Manning also faced absolutely no pressure last night, save for one play.

And he threw a pick six.

Drew Brees was better when he had to be better.

Just like Tom Brady was better than Manning when he had to be.

Manning is an all-time great QB, but the fact remains that Montana won 4 SBs, including making a longer drive that Manning couldn't with half the time, and every time Manning has faced a truly top shelf QB in the playoffs, his record is:

1-6

Brady: 1-2
Brees: 0-1
Rivers: 0-2
McNair ('99 version): 0-1

Meanwhile, his wins in the playoffs have come against the following:

Trent Green: 2-0
McNair (washed up '06 version)
Rex Grossman
Joe Flacco
Mark Sanchez (rookie)
Jake Plummer: 2-0

(We won't bash him for losses against Jay Fiedler, Chad Pennington, or 2nd year game manager Ben Roethlisberger here)

Manning is far more Wilt Chamberlain than he is Bill Russell.

Sweet Daddy Hate · 02-08-2010, 05:11 AM

NO team shall ever be Holy Enough in support to bust Payton's multi-super bowl maidenhead.

**the Talking Can** · 02-08-2010, 06:05 AM

let's wrap this thread up

Dear Peyton,

Amnorix · 02-08-2010, 07:18 AM

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Originally Posted by The Meat Dragon

Tony Dungy is the worst thing that ever happened to Peyton Manning.

You're blaming Dungy for this loss??

HTF does that work?

-King- · 02-08-2010, 07:59 AM

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Originally Posted by billay

The Saints were playing keep away from Manning. Which is funny why would you play keep away from an scrub like Manning?

Yeah that game of keep away really worked seeing as how the saints had a whopping 1 minute advantage with TOP.
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-King- · 02-08-2010, 08:00 AM

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Originally Posted by Mecca

The argument in general is dumb, I don't know why anyone would care so much about a player being great or sucking when he isn't on our team.

It's not like we have a QB we're trying to say is better so I don't really get why Manning has so many threads on here.

Then stop posting in those threads and helping them stay at the top.
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whatsmynameagain · 02-08-2010, 08:06 AM

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Originally Posted by Dr. Van Halen

Further, I think even less of Tom Brady for not even making the Super Bowl this year.

4 out of nine isnt bad also knee surgery
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10-18-2009, 09:31 AM
Hootie Banned Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Dallas, Texas Casino cash: $10004900	Peyton Manning So... Do you guys still think Tom Brady is better than Peyton Manning? Everyone always said that he played with the better supporting cast...which is why Tom was better. Now Peyton is playing behind a terrible offensive line and throwing to the likes of Austin Collie and Pierre Garcon...having arguably his best year ever...just like I always said...it wasn't the OTHER players...it was Peyton Manning. So... Is Brady still better than Manning? Just curious.
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Mecca Hockey Town Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Kansas City, Missouri Casino cash: $-722950	The argument in general is dumb, I don't know why anyone would care so much about a player being great or sucking when he isn't on our team. It's not like we have a QB we're trying to say is better so I don't really get why Manning has so many threads on here.
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Mastashake Insomniac Join Date: Mar 2005 Casino cash: $10004900	There's no need to debate this. The fact there are people out there who feel this tainted his reputation as the best quarterback ever PROVES it has influenced people's opinion of him. If the question is if it changed people's opinion on whether or not he's the greatest of all time, the answer HAS TO BE yes. The fact there's any debate over it whatsoever proves it did to a certain extent. If you're debating whether it was a fluke or indication of his performance on an epic level, only time will tell. The only purpose debating it fulfills is our own personal pleasure. __________________ "Leadership is a matter of having people look at you and gain confidence, seeing how you react. If you're in control, they're in control."
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02-08-2010, 04:47 AM	#368
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02-08-2010, 04:51 AM	#369
'Hamas' Jenkins Now you've pissed me off! Join Date: Jan 2006 Casino cash: $7129572	Hootie has displayed a truly appalling amount of relativism in this, and basically every thread, in which he's proven wrong time and time again. Manning is the GOAT of all time because he makes Marvin Harrison into one of the most productive receivers ever. Eddie Kennison would have had just as good of a career. Tonight? Manning's downfall is blamed on Reggie Wayne. Collie and Garcon mean nothing, he can do it with anyone, then Brees has a better supporting cast. Manning only made one bad throw the entire game? Well, what about that overthrow on 3rd down on the first drive that cost them a chance to get 7? What about that bad decision on the out route on the game changing drive before he thew a ball that was almost intercepted by Jenkins? Let's also remember that the Colts had twice as many yards rushing as the Saints, the same number of rushing attempts, so their running game was far more productive. The Colts defense also gave Manning a turnover on the 2 yard line, basically saving him from having to score another 7 points. Manning is the offensive coordinator and coach of the team, he calls all the plays and waves the punt team off the field...unless there are two minutes left in the half and then all of a sudden all calls go directly through Caldwell, who's never called an offensive play in his life. The entire game flipped on the Garcon drop, but not the Colston drop. What an embarrassing display. Yeah, Manning played well last night. But he's the most important player on the team, and the other guy's most important player outperformed him, despite having no help from a running game. Manning also faced absolutely no pressure last night, save for one play. And he threw a pick six. Drew Brees was better when he had to be better. Just like Tom Brady was better than Manning when he had to be. Manning is an all-time great QB, but the fact remains that Montana won 4 SBs, including making a longer drive that Manning couldn't with half the time, and every time Manning has faced a truly top shelf QB in the playoffs, his record is: 1-6 Brady: 1-2 Brees: 0-1 Rivers: 0-2 McNair ('99 version): 0-1 Meanwhile, his wins in the playoffs have come against the following: Trent Green: 2-0 McNair (washed up '06 version) Rex Grossman Joe Flacco Mark Sanchez (rookie) Jake Plummer: 2-0 (We won't bash him for losses against Jay Fiedler, Chad Pennington, or 2nd year game manager Ben Roethlisberger here) Manning is far more Wilt Chamberlain than he is Bill Russell. __________________ "When the Know-Nothings get control, it will read 'all men are created equal, except negroes, and foreigners, and Catholics.' When it comes to this I should prefer emigrating to some country where they make no pretense of loving liberty – to Russia, for instance, where despotism can be taken pure, and without the base alloy of hypocrisy.”--Abraham Lincoln
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02-08-2010, 06:05 AM	#371
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