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Old 09-12-2011, 07:17 AM  
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Dexter McCluster Countdown Thread
Well since GoPlagerism is touting my post in is signature, I figured I would start a countdown thread to see how we stack up on the touches..


So I predicted somewhere between 125-140* touches this year, with a high as 175 (which might be too high).


Week 1
Rushing 4 for 42
Receiving 5 for 25

Week 2
Rushing 8 for 51
Receiving 4 for -2

Week 3
Rushing 9 for 45
Receiving 5 for 17

Week 4
Rushing 7 for 26
Receiving 3 for 12

Week 5
Rushing 4 for 8
Receiving 1 for 10

Week 6
BYE

Week 7
Rushing 10 for 38
Receiving 1 for -3

Week 8
Rushing 6 for 0
Receiving 3 for 28

Week 9
Rushing 7 for 36
Receiving 1 for 8

Week 10
Rushing 8 for 45
Receiving 6 for 48

Week 11
Rushing 8 for 39
Receiving 2 for 9

Week 12
Rushing 9 for 28
Receiving 2 for 11

Week 13
Rushing 9 for 61
Receiving 4 for 46 / 1 TD

Week 14
Rushing 4 for 1
Receiving 0 for 0

Week 15
Rushing 5 for 14
Receiving 2 for 11

Week 16
Rushing 3 for 15
Receiving 5 for 89

Week 17
Rushing 12 for 61 1 TD
Receiving 3 for 25
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Old 12-23-2011, 05:55 PM   #361
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Based off the conversation...it was obvious the bet was based on catches plus rushing attempts.
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Old 12-23-2011, 05:55 PM   #362
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Was the bet touches or offensive touches? I don't know. Makes a difference.
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Apparently "offensive touches."
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Old 12-23-2011, 06:03 PM   #363
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That seals it.
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Old 12-23-2011, 06:03 PM   #364
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If you meant that....then why didn't you specifically state that?

Personally it sounds to me like you're stating that now after GoChiefs balked.
I did.

I put "offensive touches" in quotes and a kick return is an offensive touch. Ill admit that I was about 50/50 on if he picked up on that.

He balked after I brought up th "devil in the details" because I didn't want to play that card after the season was over.

I thought it would be fair for it to be discussed prior to the bet ending.

Its really just a semantics discussion.

A kickoff return is a offensive touch and a punt return is a defensive play...if you dont think that is the case, Dexter needs 23 more "carries or receptions"

I have always viewed the kickoff return as "the first play of the offensive series" because thats exactly what it is.
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Old 12-23-2011, 06:04 PM   #365
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I did.

I put "offensive touches" in quotes and a kick return is an offensive touch. Ill admit that I was about 50/50 on if he picked up on that.

He balked after I brought up th "devil in the details" because I didn't want to play that card after the season was over.

I thought it would be fair for it to be discussed prior to the bet ending.

Its really just a semantics discussion.

A kickoff return is a offensive touch and a punt return is a defensive play...if you dont think that is the case, Dexter needs 23 more "carries or receptions"

I have always viewed the kickoff return as "the first play of the offensive series" because thats exactly what it is.
Soory dude, offensive touches means the offense is on the field not ST.
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Old 12-23-2011, 06:06 PM   #366
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I think McCluster wins the bet for me without the touches from kickoff returns, but does anyone think they shouldn't be counted besides GoChiefs?
kick returns should count. he touched the ball with the sole intent of scoring. if that isn't the definition of an offensive play... I dunno wot is.
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kick returns should count. he touched the ball with the sole intent of scoring. if that isn't the definition of an offensive play... I dunno wot is.
Yes but ST plays don't count statisticaly as offensive plays.
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Soory dude, offensive touches means the offense is on the field not ST.
Your OPINION differs from that of FACTS that were offered by DaKCMans post that directly quotes the NFL rulebook a few posts back.
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Your OPINION differs from that of FACTS that were offered by DaKCMans post that directly quotes the NFL rulebook a few posts back.
I am fine with being wrong in my opinion. I had high hopes for DMC but I now have doubts.

I would love for him to kill it now but I dont see it.

Edit: that being said everyone knows the return team is considered the offensive team and the kicking team is the defensive team.

A team's ST return yards do not count towards the teams yards on offense for example.
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I am fine with being wrong in my opinion. I had high hopes for DMC but I now have doubts.

I would love for him to kill it now but I dont see it.
If only McCluster was running the routes Pope was running against GB. Dudes as slow as a lineman and was wide open 20-30 yards down field.
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If only McCluster was running the routes Pope was running against GB. Dudes as slow as a lineman and was wide open 20-30 yards down field.
Wouldn't argue that.
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I did.

I put "offensive touches" in quotes and a kick return is an offensive touch. Ill admit that I was about 50/50 on if he picked up on that.

He balked after I brought up th "devil in the details" because I didn't want to play that card after the season was over.

I thought it would be fair for it to be discussed prior to the bet ending.

Its really just a semantics discussion.

A kickoff return is a offensive touch and a punt return is a defensive play...if you dont think that is the case, Dexter needs 23 more "carries or receptions"

I have always viewed the kickoff return as "the first play of the offensive series" because thats exactly what it is.
If you did....then you would have said "Offensive touches to include kickoff returns".
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returns are NOT offensive touches
technically, yes they are. There is NO QUESTION on this fact. It may not be what most people assume to be the case, but the rules on this are clear.

Now, in the case of the bet, you have to decide #1)what the intent of the bet was AND #2)if you think GoChiefs wouldn't argue the exact same point if he were on the other side of the bet.

#1 is a toss up in my mind... kickoff returns have always been offensive touches in my mind, and that is also the official rule... but I can definitely see how others would disagree. So this one to me is a wash.

#2 there is NO QUESTION in my mind that GoChiefs wouldn't jump on something like this himself... so this seems like a perfect opportunity to show him what it feels like.
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Heh, sorry. It's pretty clear who is in the right here.
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