Chiefs Matt Cassel: Good or Bad? - Page 26

**Mr. Flopnuts** · 02-28-2009, 01:32 PM

We may as well have an easy point of reference for people to be able to come back and eat their crow when this all pans out. Everyone always says I knew it all along. Step up and put it down.

I don't think a 2nd round pick is terrible, but I don't think Matt Cassel will pan out in KC. I'll put it down right here, right now. And now I'll start praying I'm wrong.

Forget the trade. The only thing I want you to commit too is whether or not Cassel is a good or bad choice for QBOTF.

**The Bad Guy** · 03-02-2009, 09:33 AM

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Originally Posted by Reerun_KC

I voted bad, since the poll didnt really give us much options.... I dont think he will be terrible, but I also am "not sold" (true fan'ism) on him.

Cassel is a "safe" move, Not a QB that will lead you to the promise land but wont embarrase you either... He is the kind of QB that "true fans" masturbate at night over...

Complete nonsense.

There is nothing safe about Cassel. He's a boom or bust guy.

What I can't understand is how people that are against Cassel are for drafting Mark Sanchez?

Mecca · 03-02-2009, 09:34 AM

Oh Jesus he goes to defend the Bennett thing LOL.

KCJohnny · 03-02-2009, 09:35 AM

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Originally Posted by The Bad Guy

Complete nonsense.

There is nothing safe about Cassel. He's a boom or bust guy.

What I can't understand is how people that are against Cassel are for drafting Mark Sanchez?

No wonder. Fits your profile.

**The Bad Guy** · 03-02-2009, 09:36 AM

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Originally Posted by KCJohnny

Oh please, stand by your comment. I advocated Donnell getting a whole season's worth of carries in '99 as his 1 game started record was 161 attempts for 627 yards and 8 TDs would have translated into 1200+ yards and 16 TDs @3.9 YPC, clearly better than any KC back on the roster at that time.

I finally figured it out.

Thigpen is the last connection to Herm, who is the last connection to Gun, who was the last connection to Marty that KCJ has.

It just seriously shows you have ****ing awful his evaluations are.

Donnell Bennett v. Corey Dillon
Jeff Terrell v. Any QB with 2 arms
Tyler Thigpen v. Matt Cassel.

Your trackrecord frankly sucks.

Cassel now has a chance. Just don't ever support him.

**The Bad Guy** · 03-02-2009, 09:37 AM

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Originally Posted by KCJohnny

No wonder. Fits your profile.

I really wish I still had the PM where you challenged me to a fight, you lunatic holier than thou hypocrite.

KCJohnny · 03-02-2009, 09:37 AM

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Originally Posted by The Bad Guy

I finally figured it out.

Thigpen is the last connection to Herm, who is the last connection to Gun, who was the last connection to Marty that KCJ has.

It just seriously shows you have ****ing awful his evaluations are.

Donnell Bennett v. Corey Dillon
Jeff Terrell v. Any QB with 2 arms
Tyler Thigpen v. Matt Cassel.

Your trackrecord frankly sucks.

Cassel now has a chance. Just don't ever support him.

The fact is Cassel stepped into a record breaking offense that had come off an 18-1 season and couldn't muster 22 TD passes. Thigpen inherited one of the league's most anemic offenses (4-12 season), a new O/C, a rookie OLT and many other rookies and yet his stats almost match Cassel's.

That is more than a boxscore, that is just a plain NFL football fact. And Cassel will cost $80 million over the long haul while Thigpen is playing for the league minimum. Meanwhile, KC has the league's most pathetic defense and invests a mint in a backup QB. Nice.

Reerun_KC · 03-02-2009, 09:38 AM

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Originally Posted by The Bad Guy

Complete nonsense.

There is nothing safe about Cassel. He's a boom or bust guy.

What I can't understand is how people that are against Cassel are for drafting Mark Sanchez?

Not really.. Cassel but up good numbers in NE with that system and the talent around him...

How often do 11-5 teams miss the playoffs? With that being asked, I can see Cassel in a system with great talent around him, being very consistent but not great. Why against Sanchez? I not nor am I against Stafford, but we have seen what Cassel can do in the NFL, I wouldnt be surprised if MS or MS both have a higher ceiling....

**The Bad Guy** · 03-02-2009, 09:38 AM

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Originally Posted by KCJohnny

The fact is Cassel stepped into a record breaking offense that had come off an 18-1 season and couldn't muster 22 TD passes. Thigpen inherited one of the league's most anemic offenses (4-12 season), a new O/C, a rookie OLT and many other rookies and yet his stats almost match Cassel's.

That is more than a boxscore, that is just a plain NFL football fact. And Cassel will cost $80 million over the long haul while Thigpen is playing for the league minimum. Meanwhile, KC has the league's most pathetic defense and invests a mint in a backup QB. Nice.

Yeah, copying the same post over and over should do it.

How about the Patriots rushing attack. Did they run more or throw more in 2007 v. 2008? Do TD passes automatically equal wins? Is that how it works in your little box-score head?

Brock · 03-02-2009, 09:39 AM

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Originally Posted by Reerun_KC

Not really.. Cassel but up good numbers in NE with that system and the talent around him...

which he does not have here, and he may turn out to be a fish out of water here in KC. It's quite risky.

**dirk digler** · 03-02-2009, 09:41 AM

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Originally Posted by KCJohnny

The fact is Cassel stepped into a record breaking offense that had come off an 18-1 season and couldn't muster 22 TD passes. Thigpen inherited one of the league's most anemic offenses (4-12 season), a new O/C, a rookie OLT and many other rookies and yet his stats almost match Cassel's.

That is more than a boxscore, that is just a plain NFL football fact. And Cassel will cost $80 million over the long haul while Thigpen is playing for the league minimum. Meanwhile, KC has the league's most pathetic defense and invests a mint in a backup QB. Nice.

They haven't invested a mint into anything...yet. The Chiefs are $57 million under the cap and have to spend a large part of that to get to the minimum.

I am not a huge fan of Cassel but Haley loves him and we are apparently going to run the same type of offense he ran in NE so he could only get better.

**The Bad Guy** · 03-02-2009, 09:41 AM

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Originally Posted by Reerun_KC

Not really.. Cassel but up good numbers in NE with that system and the talent around him...

How often do 11-5 teams miss the playoffs? With that being asked, I can see Cassel in a system with great talent around him, being very consistent but not great. Why against Sanchez? I not nor am I against Stafford, but we have seen what Cassel can do in the NFL, I wouldnt be surprised if MS or MS both have a higher ceiling....

Every great NFL QB likely has great talent around them.

I'm not against Sanchez, but the same arguments everyone is making about Cassel apply to Sanchez as well.

Reerun_KC · 03-02-2009, 09:42 AM

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Originally Posted by Brock

which he does not have here, and he may turn out to be a fish out of water here in KC. It's quite risky.

Just like drafting any player at any position in the 1st round... It is very risky...

Nothing would thrill me more than for Cassel to elavate the talent around him and make them play at a higher level because of him...

**The Bad Guy** · 03-02-2009, 09:42 AM

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Originally Posted by Brock

which he does not have here, and he may turn out to be a fish out of water here in KC. It's quite risky.

He has people to throw the ball to, but you're right, they are nowhere near Moss and Welker. What's key for me is that we have a pretty good offensive coaching staff. If we still had Herm, there is no way in hell I would want Matt Cassel here.

KCJohnny · 03-02-2009, 09:42 AM

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Originally Posted by The Bad Guy

Yeah, copying the same post over and over should do it.

How about the Patriots rushing attack. Did they run more or throw more in 2007 v. 2008? Do TD passes automatically equal wins? Is that how it works in your little box-score head?

LOL, you're shooting blanks now. Cassel is only worth $15 mil to one GM - Scott Pioli. The facts don't lie - Tyler Thigpen performed just as well if not better with a bottom feeder offense as Cassel did with the NFL's all time highest scoring offense.

Slice it any way you want - attack me personally - it doesn't change the facts.

**The Bad Guy** · 03-02-2009, 09:44 AM

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Originally Posted by KCJohnny

LOL, you're shooting blanks now. Cassel is only worth $15 mil to one GM - Scott Pioli. The facts don't lie - Tyler Thigpen performed just as well if not better with a bottom feeder offense as Cassel did with the NFL's all time highest scoring offense.

Slice it any way you want - attack me personally - it doesn't change the facts.

Tyler Thigpen 1 win.

Matt Cassel 11.

And no, the Patriots were not the same team in 2008. Half of their defense was injured, and Asante Samuel was in Philly.

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02-28-2009, 01:32 PM
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