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Old 12-20-2009, 11:17 PM  
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Whitlock: Why should the Chiefs bring Haley back?
Why should the Chiefs bring Haley back?
By JASON WHITLOCK
The Kansas City Star

I’m not arguing that Todd Haley should be fired. I’m wondering what’s the justification for bringing him back.

Loyalty? Fairness?

You throw them overboard with the waiting list for season-ticket holders. Anyone arguing the Chiefs have made progress this season hasn’t heard about what happened inside Arrowhead Stadium on Sunday when the Cleveland Browns visited.

On a day when Cleveland quarterback Brady Quinn threw for 66 yards and two interceptions, the Browns rumbled for 351 yards on the ground and surpassed the 40-point barrier in a 41-34 victory over Haley’s Chiefs.

Keep in mind, the Browns are in the process of wooing Mike Holmgren to take over their organization and can embattled head coach Eric “Dead Man Coaching” Mangini. The Browns are bad. The Chiefs are worse.

It took a total team effort to give Cleveland a road victory.

“When you allow two returns for touchdowns, that’s generally not going to end up being a good thing,” Haley said, scolding the special-teams unit that allowed Josh Cribbs to find the end zone twice on kickoff returns.

“When you drop nine balls, and we had 39 to 40 by the NFL’s count going into this game — 50-plus by my count — it’s going to be very difficult,” Haley said, scolding his receivers for their inability to catch.

“When you allow a team to run the football the way they were able to run the football, you’re not going to have much of a chance to win,” Haley said, scolding a defensive unit that has surrendered 800-plus rushing yards in its last three games at Arrowhead Stadium.

That’s all three units, folks. Special teams. Offense. And defense.

It’s Christmas, and all three phases of Haley’s team are in disarray.

We’ve spent so much time focusing on the shortcomings within Kansas City’s roster, we’ve failed to mention that it’s likely Haley will overhaul his entire coaching staff, too.

You think Clancy Pendergast is coming back as defensive coordinator after some kid named Jerome Harrison gained 286 yards and finished 10 yards shy of the NFL’s all-time rushing record? We know Haley is a hothead. He booted his most qualified assistant (Chan Gailey) before the season. He’s already demoted a receivers coach. He benches receivers when his mood dictates.

Come on, you know Haley’s instincts will tell him to fire everyone except his wingman, Maurice Carthon. Haley can argue that he got this head-coaching position so late last offseason that he was unable to lure top-flight assistants.

Will top assistants want to come work for Haley this offseason? Let’s don’t even deal with the damage Haley has done to his reputation with his wild-man coaching routine and his handling of Gailey. Why would a top assistant come to KC when Haley is going to enter next season on the hot seat?

You know who would come? A coach with ties to Scott Pioli; a coach who thinks he could be the interim head coach if Haley gets fired six weeks into the season. Charlie Weis. Romeo Crennel.

Yes, more of the Patriots Way. A continuation of the flawed philosophy that you can export a winning culture from one city to another. Winning produces its own unique culture wherever it lands.

Let me get back on topic. I’m not saying Todd Haley should be fired. I’m wondering what’s the justification for bringing him back.

Mike Shanahan appears to be headed to Washington. Mike Holmgren apparently is going to take over Cleveland’s front office. Bill Cowher might rejoin the coaching ranks. The Chiefs are going to stand pat with Haley?

What has he shown us that gives us confidence he’ll hire a competent coaching staff? And if the Chiefs are going to be starting over with a new assistant-coaching staff, why not just start all the way over with a new head coach?

I did not say fire Todd Haley. I’m searching for reasons to bring him back. Right now, loyalty and fairness come to mind.

Scott Pioli stuck Haley with a craptastic roster. The stupidity of playing all season with special-team players masquerading as starting linebackers and safeties has caught up with the Chiefs the last month. And so has playing musical waiver wire at receiver.

Haley’s defenders can argue quite persuasively that he hasn’t been given a fair shot. Haley’s critics could argue that Haley has made a bad situation worse.

I’m not arguing anything. And I’m cool with Haley coming back ... as long as he realizes he has to make a boatload of fundamental changes to his coaching approach.
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Old 12-21-2009, 11:56 PM   #376
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Yeah, it's really logical to think that the light is suddenly going to go on for this bunch of dumbasses.
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Old 12-21-2009, 11:57 PM   #377
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Yeah, it's really logical to think that the light is suddenly going to go on for this bunch of dumbasses.
Come on, Dude.

Don't you know that the longer you coach in the NFL, the smarter you become?

I mean, just look at Gunther!
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Old 12-21-2009, 11:57 PM   #378
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Are we the Raiders? Building a program means having a consistant program. Continuity counts in the NFL. I posted before that the most successful coaches stay in place at least 5 years. If this team does not have a winning record in 4 years then I would fire his ass. Haley has coached with some legendary coaches and knows a hell of alot more than anyone on this board. The difference between bad coasches and successful ones is the ability to get good players by drafting effectively and picking the right FA's to pay. That is what Scott was hired for. You have to know what you have first and that's what this season was about.

Going through a HC change after one year puts you back at zero.
4 years? You're staying with Haley, come hell or high water, for 4 years?

If the team doesn't have a winning record in 4 years, Pioli himself will be in serious danger of losing his job, forget the HC.
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Old 12-21-2009, 11:59 PM   #379
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Um, going through a year with Pioli & Haley puts you back at zero.

Or have you not been paying attention?
I think someone here needs to get Clark Hunt on here and ask him what his expectations where? What limitations or parameters if any did He put on the GM and HC for personnel...

I think that would clear up alot of discussions on here where people think they have everything solved and know what the best thing for the franchise is...
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Old 12-22-2009, 12:00 AM   #380
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4 years? You're staying with Haley, come hell or high water, for 4 years?

If the team doesn't have a winning record in 4 years, Pioli himself will be in serious danger of losing his job, forget the HC.
I couldn't respond to that post. It just hurt my head too much.
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4 years? You're staying with Haley, come hell or high water, for 4 years?

If the team doesn't have a winning record in 4 years, Pioli himself will be in serious danger of losing his job, forget the HC.
Not 4... But Maybe 3...

You can go from the depths of hell to superbowl in 3 years.... You should be able to rebuild your franchise in 3 years with FA and the draft...
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The rate this team is going, we're going to have a lot of high draft picks on this team in 3 years.
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Not 4... But Maybe 3...

You can go from the depths of hell to superbowl in 3 years.... You should be able to rebuild your franchise in 3 years with FA and the draft...
Free agency will not exist as we know it in 2010.

And Pioli ****ing screwed the pooch in 2009.
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I think someone here needs to get Clark Hunt on here and ask him what his expectations where? What limitations or parameters if any did He put on the GM and HC for personnel...

I think that would clear up alot of discussions on here where people think they have everything solved and know what the best thing for the franchise is...
His expectations were to hire the biggest name out there, hand him keys to the franchise and look the other way.
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Free agency will not exist as we know it in 2010.

And Pioli ****ing screwed the pooch in 2009.
Guess it is time to shut it down... Close up the franchise and just quit.... No need to continue!
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His expectations were to hire the biggest name out there, hand him keys to the franchise and look the other way.
Still would like to have Clark clear this up for us...
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Still would like to have Clark clear this up for us...
Good luck
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Yeah, it's really logical to think that the light is suddenly going to go on for this bunch of dumbasses.
we need a larger sample size than one ****ing season before we start adorning everyone "dumbasses"

Clark/Pioli/Haley deserve a fair shot at proving themselves and I'm telling you right now that one season is not a fair shot... I'll hear nothing different. Good night everyone (except Dane... **** you Dane)
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Are we the Raiders? Building a program means having a consistant program. Continuity counts in the NFL. I posted before that the most successful coaches stay in place at least 5 years. If this team does not have a winning record in 4 years then I would fire his ass. Haley has coached with some legendary coaches and knows a hell of alot more than anyone on this board. The difference between bad coasches and successful ones is the ability to get good players by drafting effectively and picking the right FA's to pay. That is what Scott was hired for. You have to know what you have first and that's what this season was about.

Going through a HC change after one year puts you back at zero.
Im willing to give him the same amount of time Herm was. 3 years MAX.

By the middle of the third season, you can tell if you have any shot at winning a championship with said coach.

2 is too little, as if Vermeil was fired after two years for KC or Stl, he would have been total fail in both places. If Coughlin was fired after two years in NY, they most likely wouldn't have won the superbowl.

4 is too long IMHO.

Hard line approaches take time to sink into a roster mentality... as Vermeil and Coughin showed for multiple teams, as have many others. Haleys will be no different.

If we dont start to see something start to come together next year, this question should be asked, but this early is very unfair IMHO.
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we need a larger sample size than one ****ing season before we start adorning everyone "dumbasses"

Clark/Pioli/Haley deserve a fair shot at proving themselves and I'm telling you right now that one season is not a fair shot... I'll hear nothing different. Good night everyone (except Dane... **** you Dane)
You think Holmgren is going to give Mangini another year?
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