Chiefs Why people are disappointed: Exhibit A - Talent Evaluation - Page 28

**OnTheWarpath15** · 12-14-2009, 11:24 AM

Since there seems to be several myths, excuses and some flat-out lies about why some folks are pissed off about this team right now, I thought I'd put together a few threads explaining, as clearly as I can, where people are coming from.

One of the bigger excuses is the infamous, "Pioli inherited a shitty team."

Let me make this clear: I do not disagree.

However, that doesn't excuse the Executive of the Decade for the team being no better now than it was this time last year - and you could make an argument that it is worse.

And one of the reasons why this team still sucks is simple:

The Executive of the Decade missed BADLY on talent evaluation.

I just spent a few minutes researching the transactions Pioli has made since taking the job, and it's even worse than I originally thought.

Counting draft picks, trades and signings, Pioli is responsible for FORTY FIVE new players to this organization.

And of these 45, it's fair to say that only Succop and Chambers are clear upgrades to their predecessors.

Two. Out of forty-five.

That's a whopping 4% success rate.

I'm sorry, but blaming Herm here is ridiculous. The best players on this team are Herm's players.

Looking at the current roster - including the active roster, PS and IR - 54% of the players currently in this organization are Pioli's.

Exactly half of the current starting 22 are Pioli's.

And this team is ONE win better than a 2008 squad that featured Tyler ****ing Thigpen at QB, and employed Gunther Cunningham as the DC.

With the majority being Pioli's hand-picked players.

Let the excuses flow like fine wine.

Discus.

This ought to be fun - let's hit that Millionth post.

beach tribe · 12-16-2009, 03:17 PM

Gotta go for now, but don't stop bickering, because I'm not around LOL.

Make sure you convince anyone who thinks we are headed the right direction otherwise.

Fish · 12-16-2009, 03:17 PM

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Originally Posted by beach tribe

lol.

I'm sure you would have been thrilled to see us take Brian cushing at three

Sanchez=bust IMO
Monroe=debateable

Percy Harvin at 3!!!!??????

Clay Mathews!!!?????
AT THREE!!!!???

Really? Cushing could be DROY this season.

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Cushing was named AFC Defensive Player of the Week for Week 6 of the 2009 NFL Season. Cushing became the first rookie to earn the award in the season.^[16] In Week 8, Cushing was named AFC Defensive Player of the Week again, becoming the first Texans rookie to win the award twice in one season.^[17] Cushing was also named the NFL Defensive Rookie of the Month for November.^[18]
At the halfway point of the 2009 season, Cushing leads all rookies and ranks fifth in the NFL with 66 tackles. He has led or tied for the team lead in tackles six times in eight games.^[19]

Harvin has 6 TDs, and 2 return TDs. Our entire WR core only has 10 TDs combined.

If Matthews gets 1 more sack this year, he'll have the NFL record for most sacks in a rookie season.

**DaneMcCloud** · 12-16-2009, 03:17 PM

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Originally Posted by beach tribe

Ahh.
And exactly the reaction I expected. That was easy.

ALL of this hate stems from the Sanchez love afair you have, and how bitter you have been since we passed on him, and got Cassel.

Pull his balls out of your mouth. He's going to amount to JACK.

Bull ****ing shit.

You didn't dispute ONE thing, nor did you explain why you think Tyson Jackson is going to be a badass.

You're ****ing worthless.

**DaneMcCloud** · 12-16-2009, 03:19 PM

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Originally Posted by beach tribe

Obviously because of what I said about Sanchez.

This place along with you would have lost their ****in mind if we would have taken any of those guys with the #3 overall.

Hey Asshole, I went ****ing BALLISTIC when they took Tyson Jackson!!!!!!!!!

If they had taken Oher, Harvin, et al, I may have gone ballistic.

BUT, I would have been wrong.

See the different, Numbnuts?

**OnTheWarpath15** · 12-16-2009, 03:19 PM

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Originally Posted by beach tribe

Gotta go for now, but don't stop bickering, because I'm not around LOL.

Make sure you convince anyone who thinks we are headed the right direction otherwise.

I'm still waiting for someone to explain why they think we're headed in the right direction.

You know, concrete examples.

Not hopes and dreams.

PIOLI!

**DaneMcCloud** · 12-16-2009, 03:20 PM

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Originally Posted by beach tribe

I just can't get enough of watching you lose your cool.

I can't get enough of you showing how dumb you are

chiefs1111 · 12-16-2009, 03:22 PM

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Originally Posted by OnTheWarpath58

I'm still waiting for someone to explain why they think we're headed in the right direction.

You know, concrete examples.

Not hopes and dreams.

PIOLI!

We finally have a franchise kicker!!! Baby steps man,baby steps.

**BossChief** · 12-16-2009, 03:25 PM

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Originally Posted by DeezNutz

. Maclin would have been wasted because our QB sucks. Calvin Johnson would be wasted, too, but I'd take 'em.

In a talent-weak class, I just listed 4 clearly better options.

Regarding Raji, we hand money to dumb****s all the time in KC; it's what we do.

Dont compare Calvin Johnson or Crabtree to Maclin.

There is no comaprison.

Raji would have been a good player, but might find a way to be out of the league in a short amount of time...that is too much boom or bust for me at 3.

When I started my account here last year, I was SHOCKED that this place didnt love Orakpo.

Give the 2008 KC Chiefs a 12-15 sack/season RDE and we would have had a very good chance at winning 8 games. Just think at how good our corners would look if they had rushed passes to feast on. Put Orakpo on our defense right now and it is a MUCH better unit.

**DaneMcCloud** · 12-16-2009, 03:25 PM

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Originally Posted by OnTheWarpath58

I'm still waiting for someone to explain why they think we're headed in the right direction.

You know, concrete examples.

Not hopes and dreams.

PIOLI!

There are two types of Chiefsplanet forum members:

1. The type of fan who lives in Reality. They see the franchise as it exists outside of the vacuum. They see poor ownership, poor coaching, poor personnel decisions and no direction. They see the flaws and point them out.

2. The type of fan who lives in Fantasy. Regardless of the fact that the Chiefs haven't won a meaningful game in 40 years, missed the playoffs for 15 straight years and haven't won a playoff game in 16 years, the Chiefs can do NO wrong.

I just hope that the Chiefs cheerleaders in Fantasy Land are much hotter than they are in reality.

Hammock Parties · 12-16-2009, 03:26 PM

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Originally Posted by OnTheWarpath58

PIOLI!

**DaneMcCloud** · 12-16-2009, 03:29 PM

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Originally Posted by beach tribe

I just can't get enough of watching you lose your cool.

And more proof that you're just a shill for the Chiefs.

When confronted with your inaccurate statements, you don't acknowledge them, you deflect from the fact and make it personal.

Way to go.

**DeezNutz** · 12-16-2009, 03:29 PM

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Originally Posted by BossChief

Dont compare Calvin Johnson or Crabtree to Maclin.

I didn't.

Your assertion that Maclin would be wasted (and thus a poor pick?) is ridiculous. Cassel's poor play should not influence a draft pick, unless it's to get another QB.

**OnTheWarpath15** · 12-16-2009, 03:34 PM

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Originally Posted by GoChiefs

Thanks for the new avatar.

**BossChief** · 12-16-2009, 03:35 PM

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Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud

There are two types of Chiefsplanet forum members:

1. The type of fan who lives in Reality. They see the franchise as it exists outside of the vacuum. They see poor ownership, poor coaching, poor personnel decisions and no direction. They see the flaws and point them out.

2. The type of fan who lives in Fantasy. Regardless of the fact that the Chiefs haven't won a meaningful game in 40 years, missed the playoffs for 15 straight years and haven't won a playoff game in 16 years, the Chiefs can do NO wrong.

I just hope that the Chiefs cheerleaders in Fantasy Land are much hotter than they are in reality.

we backed into the playoffs in 2006 dumbass

JFC

( I know, I know but it was a little funny, no?)

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Originally Posted by GoChiefs

did you steal that from Barry?

A lot of you need to re-read this:

**DaneMcCloud** · 12-16-2009, 03:37 PM

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Originally Posted by BossChief

we backed into the playoffs in 2006 dumbass

JFC

( I know, I know but it was a little funny, no?)

Um, I was referring to the period from 1971 to 1986, when the Chiefs missed the playoffs for 15 straight years.

12-14-2009, 11:24 AM
OnTheWarpath15 MVP Join Date: Sep 2005 Casino cash: $2021115	Why people are disappointed: Exhibit A - Talent Evaluation Since there seems to be several myths, excuses and some flat-out lies about why some folks are pissed off about this team right now, I thought I'd put together a few threads explaining, as clearly as I can, where people are coming from. One of the bigger excuses is the infamous, "Pioli inherited a shitty team." Let me make this clear: I do not disagree. However, that doesn't excuse the Executive of the Decade for the team being no better now than it was this time last year - and you could make an argument that it is worse. And one of the reasons why this team still sucks is simple: The Executive of the Decade missed BADLY on talent evaluation. I just spent a few minutes researching the transactions Pioli has made since taking the job, and it's even worse than I originally thought. Counting draft picks, trades and signings, Pioli is responsible for FORTY FIVE new players to this organization. And of these 45, it's fair to say that only Succop and Chambers are clear upgrades to their predecessors. Two. Out of forty-five. That's a whopping 4% success rate. I'm sorry, but blaming Herm here is ridiculous. The best players on this team are Herm's players. Looking at the current roster - including the active roster, PS and IR - 54% of the players currently in this organization are Pioli's. Exactly half of the current starting 22 are Pioli's. And this team is ONE win better than a 2008 squad that featured Tyler ****ing Thigpen at QB, and employed Gunther Cunningham as the DC. With the majority being Pioli's hand-picked players. Let the excuses flow like fine wine. Discus. This ought to be fun - let's hit that Millionth post.
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