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Old 04-07-2019, 06:25 PM   #1
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Being on a crappy team should not discredit the performance of the player, his accomplishments. Had Charles of been on playoff contention teams he would have been in consideration for the hall ?

Charles stats
1407 carries 7563 yrds 5.4 ypc 44 TD's 2593 Rec yrds 1246 KR's 1 TD Plus the NFL Highest YPG avg 6.4

Davis
1644 carries 7607 yrds 4.6 ypc 60 TD's 1280 Rec yrds

Charles was just as productive in a 5 yr period as Davis was in 4, injuries affected both players. Switch players and teams and it's Charles in the HOF.

It's sad that Davis rode the heals of Elway and a very good defense.
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Old 04-07-2019, 09:17 PM   #2
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Being on a crappy team should not discredit the performance of the player, his accomplishments. Had Charles of been on playoff contention teams he would have been in consideration for the hall ?

Charles stats
1407 carries 7563 yrds 5.4 ypc 44 TD's 2593 Rec yrds 1246 KR's 1 TD Plus the NFL Highest YPG avg 6.4

Davis
1644 carries 7607 yrds 4.6 ypc 60 TD's 1280 Rec yrds

Charles was just as productive in a 5 yr period as Davis was in 4, injuries affected both players. Switch players and teams and it's Charles in the HOF.

It's sad that Davis rode the heals of Elway and a very good defense.
Match Priest upwith Davis...
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Old 04-07-2019, 06:36 PM   #3
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Just for fun, I made a table that divides players into categories for ypc and total rushing yards (clumping them into rounded groups). (Picture below, but it's too small to read. Open the file. It's really interesting.)

The players in this list are running backs who spent a majority of their career in the modern 1978-2018 passing era, and who have 1,000+ rushing attempts. Blue players are in the Hall of Fame, black players are eligible, and red players are not yet eligible.

There are several obvious conclusions from this table.

1. Hall of Fame voters will put you in the Hall if you have 12,000 rushing yards even if you got it at 3 yards per carry. Total rushing yards is more or less the only criterion used.

2. Terrell Davis or Orlando Gary or whoever is the stupidest RB Hall of Fame decision ever made if you believe in any sort of rules. John Riggins is the second-stupidest decision and Jerome Bettis is third.

3. Jamaal Charles not only creates a new category, but he's a category above making a new category. I don't think it'll make any difference, though, since the Hall of Fame voters don't seem to take ypc into account at all.

4. Adrian Peterson should go in, along with Frank Gore. I bet Edgerrin James goes in eventually.

5. Seriously, Terrell Davis isn't even close based on these criteria. He got in because he was on TV.
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Old 04-07-2019, 06:44 PM   #4
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Davis in before Ricky Watters is such a travesty.
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Old 04-07-2019, 06:45 PM   #5
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As much as I loved Gale Sayers, JC did more!

So here are 2 examples of HOF members JC is either along side of or better than!
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I'm not from KC and I've had many an argument about Charles' true ability in relation to his peers. Anyone with a brain has to admit he was ****ing awesome, but the average person doesn't think he was anything truly special.

I'd wager the average (dumbshit) fan would rank JC behind Adrian Peterson, Chris Johnson, Marshawn Lynch and Lesean McCoy within his era and probably right on par with guys like Arian Foster and Matt Forte.

People don't care about YPC. They like volume stats for RBs.
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Old 04-07-2019, 07:15 PM   #7
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I'm not from KC and I've had many an argument about Charles' true ability in relation to his peers. Anyone with a brain has to admit he was ****ing awesome, but the average person doesn't think he was anything truly special.

I'd wager the average (dumbshit) fan would rank JC behind Adrian Peterson, Chris Johnson, Marshawn Lynch and Lesean McCoy within his era and probably right on par with guys like Arian Foster and Matt Forte.

People don't care about YPC. They like volume stats for RBs.
He played on alot of bad teams and didnt do anything in the playoffs.

So i can see where fans outside of Chiefs fans dont think much of him.
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Old 04-07-2019, 07:14 PM   #8
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Lol Bettis averaged 3.9 yards per season. That fat **** had 300+ rushes in his 2nd season and none of those went over 19 yards. Youd think maybe hed have alot of TDs, but only had double digit TDs 2 times. He was a below average RB that was an anomaly and continued to get to start even though he had mediocre production. Him being in the HOF is a joke.
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Lol Bettis averaged 3.9 yards per season. That fat **** had 300+ rushes in his 2nd season and none of those went over 19 yards. Youd think maybe hed have alot of TDs, but only had double digit TDs 2 times. He was a below average RB that was an anomaly and continued to get to start even though he had mediocre production. Him being in the HOF is a joke.
I don't think you have a clue about what kind of offenses Bettis played in or what kind of a back he was. Or the pounding took. 375 carries for 1700 yards is unheard of today and an amazing season for that era.

There is more to RB than just breaking big runs.

Marcus Allen barely averaged 4 YPC in Kansas City but I'm sure you won't talk shit on him.
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I don't think you have a clue about what kind of offenses Bettis played in or what kind of a back he was. Or the pounding took. 375 carries for 1700 yards is unheard of today and an amazing season for that era.

There is more to RB than just breaking big runs.

Marcus Allen barely averaged 4 YPC in Kansas City but I'm sure you won't talk shit on him.
I dont have a clue about what kind of offense the Steelers ran back then, but I do know that JB isn't a HOF worthy back. Larry Johnson had a similar season. Im not sure how having 375 rushes and 1700 yds in a season qualifies someone for the HOF. Sure he was durable, but when you average between 3.2 and 3.8 YPC 9 out of 13 seasons you don't deserve to be in the hall of fame. It's not the Hall of Longevity with Terrell Davis.

Marcus Allen was also a receiving threat as well and averaged damn near 10 TDs a year while he was here. Bettis averaged 7 combined TDs a year. JB averaged a TD every 39 touches. MA averaged a TD every 25 touches. JB wishes he had half the talent Allen did. Jerome Bettis was just a slow fat shit. Hell, you could put any O lineman/D lineman in the backfield and get the same production as Jerome gave you.
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Just popping in to remind everyone here that Terrell Davis was literally the best postseason running back in NFL history.
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Just popping in to remind everyone here that Terrell Davis was literally the best postseason running back in NFL history.
I thought he won a few souper bowls

Jamaal was in the playoffs with Mark cassel once and lost to the ravens. Seems like he got hurt during the game
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