Time to eat the crow..

[The Bad Guy]

Dearl Carl,

For months I have ripped you a new one. I went from being a self-described homer to an angry pessmimist in just 2 short years and I blamed you for it. I blamed your inability to sign quality FAs, get players to upgrade a defense, your horrible drafts and the fact that you haven't won a playoff game in 12 years.

But today, I will take back two of the things I said. I didn't think you could get a Surtain deal done because of your ego.

I'm happy to admit I was wrong.

It's been roughly 12 hours since I last bashed you and unless you draft a TE, guard, running back of DT in the first round tomorrow, I won't bash you again this year, but please win a playoff game.

When I woke up today, I honestly didn't expect a deal to get done. I didn't expect to see Len Passthepasta, Clark Judge, or any other internet reporters say a deal was done.

Tomorrow I will go to the draft with smiles, hopes, and my custom made (with masking tape) #23 Patrick Surtain jersey. It's been a long time that we've had someone good in our secondary.

Now our defense has a chance.

Thank you Carl.

Signed,

Frank
former leader of the anti-Carl Peterson clan.

[The Bad Guy]

Guys,

I'm not giving him any pass for the season. I'm giving him a pass on putting a "complete" team on the field. He's added 2 members of the Dolphins top ranked pass D, which was our biggest weakness.

He added an injury-riddled Bell, but he's a top 5 LB when healthy.

But this is the first time he's added top-flight defensive talent since Vermeil got here. We have the offense, and now we have weapons for defense.

Carl is terribly average, but he got something done that I didn't expect.

I give him credit for that.

Dr. Van Halen, if you don't agree with my takes then you must be a terribly misinformed football fan.

But I said this year, the year ends December 31st and the playoffs didn't start yet.

[Dr. Van Halen]

Originally Posted by keg in kc

A little advice: I think you need to spend some more time around here reading what people have to say before you make comments like that.

Carl is terrible with the draft. But he's done a fairly solid job with free agency and trading, although he can be a little too antagonistic in contract negotiations for my tastes. And he's been brilliant as the team President, turning Arrowhead Sundays into an event.

In other words, I may judge harshly, but I judge fairly. Don't toss me in with the carl-bashing crowd. I've never been one of them.

Oh, sorry. I just assumed the other day that you were. There are MANY posters on here that sing "The Keitzman Waltz" when it comes to CP. Most of it is unfounded.

And, yes, I still contend that CP is an AVERAGE drafter. Remember that the Chiefs have drafted 10 Pro Bowlers from '89-'04 (although I picked that up from Messier who didn't say where he got the info)(that was second most in the division), Sporting News says that we have 31 drafted players still in the league since 2000 (same number as the Broncos and Patriots)(not the most telling stat, admittedly), and another publication that I can't remember the name of (one of the draft preview magazines) gave the Chiefs a C- for the past five years. ALL AVERAGE.

But sorry for the name-calling the other day.

[KCTitus]

Originally Posted by Dr. Van Halen

Oh, sorry. I just assumed the other day that you were. There are MANY posters on here that sing "The Keitzman Waltz" when it comes to CP. Most of it is unfounded.

Keg didnt mention one thing specificially in his advice. Maintaining an even keel as the BB populace swings wildly from 'homer' to 'hater' and visa versa is quite unpopular.

[Gav Daddy]

Originally Posted by The Bad Guy

Dearl Carl,

For months I have ripped you a new one. I went from being a self-described homer to an angry pessmimist in just 2 short years and I blamed you for it. I blamed your inability to sign quality FAs, get players to upgrade a defense, your horrible drafts and the fact that you haven't won a playoff game in 12 years.

But today, I will take back two of the things I said. I didn't think you could get a Surtain deal done because of your ego.

I'm happy to admit I was wrong.

It's been roughly 12 hours since I last bashed you and unless you draft a TE, guard, running back of DT in the first round tomorrow, I won't bash you again this year, but please win a playoff game.

When I woke up today, I honestly didn't expect a deal to get done. I didn't expect to see Len Passthepasta, Clark Judge, or any other internet reporters say a deal was done.

Tomorrow I will go to the draft with smiles, hopes, and my custom made (with masking tape) #23 Patrick Surtain jersey. It's been a long time that we've had someone good in our secondary.

Now our defense has a chance.

Thank you Carl.

Signed,

Frank
former leader of the anti-Carl Peterson clan.

let's look at what led up to the signing.

1. whitlock putting him on front street in the press conference.
2. keitzman putting him on front street.
3. whitlock's article in the paper.
4. the near mutiny of fans
5. 95%
6.95%
7. 95%

you guys should call in to the radio shows more often.

if 1 through 5 didnt happen, there would be no surtain in k.c..

be happy for the signing, but not the reason.

you dont owe any crow.

[redbrian]

Originally Posted by keg in kc

Carl is terrible with the draft. But he's done a fairly solid job with free agency and trading, although he can be a little too antagonistic in contract negotiations for my tastes. And he's been brilliant as the team President, turning Arrowhead Sundays into an event.

Yea that DT and Tony G picks were just the worst, how could anyone pick such hacks.

[Brock]

Originally Posted by redbrian

Yea that DT and Tony G picks were just the worst, how could anyone pick such hacks.

Yeah! And that Trezelle Jenkins pick was awesome!

[Chiefnj]

I have to amend my offseason free agency/trade grade from an F to an A-.

[Dr. Van Halen]

Originally Posted by Gav Daddy

let's look at what led up to the signing.

1. whitlock putting him on front street in the press conference.
2. keitzman putting him on front street.
3. whitlock's article in the paper.
4. the near mutiny of fans
5. 95%
6.95%
7. 95%

you guys should call in to the radio shows more often.

if 1 through 5 didnt happen, there would be no surtain in k.c..

be happy for the signing, but not the reason.

you dont owe any crow.

There. Bingo. This kind of post is what I'm talking about. The bizarre audacity to even think that Whitlock and Keitzman get the credit for the Surtain deal!

You guys should call into the radio shows more often!!!!! Wow! People who call in to sports radio shows have ZERO influence on what happens in sports. Seriously. To think otherwise is delusional. In fact, I think many rational people here would agree that once you cross that line and actualy call in you LOSE credibility and become an instant wacko.

[Gav Daddy]

Originally Posted by Dr. Van Halen

There. Bingo. This kind of post is what I'm talking about. The bizarre audacity to even think that Whitlock and Keitzman get the credit for the Surtain deal!

You guys should call into the radio shows more often!!!!! Wow! People who call in to sports radio shows have ZERO influence on what happens in sports. Seriously. To think otherwise is delusional. In fact, I think many rational people here would agree that once you cross that line and actualy call in you LOSE credibility and become an instant wacko.

you are the one who doesnt get it. 95%. you should be happy you got surtain, but you should not be happy as why.....

this was to placate...........

that is why i KNEW you guys were gonna sign him.

http://www.chiefsplanet.com/BB/showt...=114565&page=5 reaqf post 69. who is delusional?

[BigRedChief]

Originally Posted by Dr. Van Halen

Oh, sorry. I just assumed the other day that you were. There are MANY posters on here that sing "The Keitzman Waltz" when it comes to CP. Most of it is unfounded.

And, yes, I still contend that CP is an AVERAGE drafter. Remember that the Chiefs have drafted 10 Pro Bowlers from '89-'04 (although I picked that up from Messier who didn't say where he got the info)(that was second most in the division), Sporting News says that we have 31 drafted players still in the league since 2000 (same number as the Broncos and Patriots)(not the most telling stat, admittedly), and another publication that I can't remember the name of (one of the draft preview magazines) gave the Chiefs a C- for the past five years. ALL AVERAGE.

But sorry for the name-calling the other day.

But according to King Carl I'm a "Real" fan. Are you?

[Fat Elvis]

Originally Posted by beavis

He's still a dick.

Ding! Ding! Ding!

[DeepSouth]

The Chiefs have definitely put themselves in a position where they can draft the "Best Available Athelete". Offense or Defense. Except for one LB position, most of the starters are set.

[ARROW2]

He just went from queen back to King Carl. I am impressed.

[keg in kc]

Originally Posted by Dr. Van Halen

And, yes, I still contend that CP is an AVERAGE drafter. Remember that the Chiefs have drafted 10 Pro Bowlers from '89-'04 (although I picked that up from Messier who didn't say where he got the info)(that was second most in the division), Sporting News says that we have 31 drafted players still in the league since 2000 (same number as the Broncos and Patriots)(not the most telling stat, admittedly), and another publication that I can't remember the name of (one of the draft preview magazines) gave the Chiefs a C- for the past five years. ALL AVERAGE.

When I talk about the team, or Carl, especially regarding the draft, I talk about them in relation to the way they are now. In other words, recent history, to me, carries much, much more weight than anything from 10-15 years ago. It's history, and it's interesting to discuss, but it isn't particularly relevant to the performance of the team today.

You point out the stat with 31 drafted players still in the league. I think that stat is misleading, first because it doesn't take into account the most meaningful thing, which is whether or not those players are still playing for the team that drafted them - that's the very point of the draft. It also doesn't deal with the quality of the players in question.

For instance, if you look at the Chiefs from 2001-2002 (2003 and 2004 I will not discuss yet; I like to leave a draft alone for 3 years), you'll see this:

2000: 8 players drafted, 2 are with the team (Bartee and Hall)
2001: 9 players drafted, 1 is with the team (Harts)
2002: 5 players drafted, 2 are with the team (Fujita and Sims)

That's 22 total draft picks, but only 5 remain with the squad, including two starters, two backups and a return specialist. Of that group, only Hall is any kind of a standout at his position. That leaves 17 draft picks from 2000-2002 that are no longer on our roster.

Go back two more years, to 1998-99, and you'll see we drafted 12 players, and of those only 2 remain with KC, Stills and Warfield.

That's a total of 35 draft picks in a 5 year period. Only 7 are on the team right now. That means that we're getting nothing out of 28 of the draft picks we made from 1998 to 2002. A few of those players are on other rosters, but not many. None are standouts or pro bowl calibre talent.

To me, that is the very definition of failure. Because the purpose of the draft is to establish a core of talent, a foundation upon which you build your franchise. We clearly have not done that.

That's why I say we draft poorly, in a nutshell. And that's why we have just two winning seasons and one playoff appearance since 1997.

Point to the early nineties all you want. Point to the legitimate hall of fame talent we've drafted. They're valid points. But, with the exception of two players, Tony Gonzalez and Will Shields, it has absolutely no bearing on the performance of Carl Peterson as the GM of the Chiefs today.

He's succeeded in the past, at times. That doesn't change the fact that, at least where the draft is concerned, he's failing now. All we can hope is that the results from 2003 to the present are much, much better than the preceding 5 years. Because if they're not, the future of this franchise won't be very bright.

[stevieray]

Nice post, BG.

More than most of the other bashers could ever admit.