The biggest reason our offense was great was the O-Line, Herm didn't ruin it. - Page 3

FD · 12-20-2006, 10:16 AM

I agree completely. While all the emphasis in the media are on the stars and "skill" positions, football games are won and lost on the line of scrimmage, and thats where we need to focus.

StcChief · 12-20-2006, 10:31 AM

Herm is working with an aging OLine.

He will get some good replacements at OG, LT, WR, DT

I have confidence.

Silock · 12-20-2006, 10:32 AM

We don't need a new LT. We need a new RT.

htismaqe · 12-20-2006, 10:37 AM

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Originally Posted by Silock

We don't need a new LT. We need a new RT.

You can't be serious.

acasas4 · 12-20-2006, 10:47 AM

Granted the line isn't what it has been in the past but the play calling is not working. When you're constantly getting into third and long because you run the ball on 1st and 2nd downs the opposing defense is going to bring it on 3rd down because they know you have to throw. Play action more on 1st down, trick plays, hell do something that isn't so predictable. Don't keep trying to do the same thing over and over and expect a different result.

FloridaMan88 · 12-20-2006, 10:50 AM

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Originally Posted by Tuckdaddy

Herm has not ruined our offense. We don't have a dominate line anymore which has led to less yardage in the air and on the ground. Couple that with mediocre WR's and a suspect FB and this is what you get.

Trent is looking old as well. His arm no longer has the power to go down field. How many throws have hit the ground. How many times against Balt did they run up and knock the ball away from our WR's. We've seen Trnet under throw our guys more than once this year on deep patterns. This is related to arm strength.

Herm deserves a chance to build his team. Get the O-line he wants and get larger more physical WR's that can get the ball without having to be wide open.

At least we know damn well he will get some more beef for the D-line.

Well if are so-called "genius" of a GM that too many people on this board STILL feel the urge to defend wouldn't have neglected the offense these past few offseasons and would have been proactive in ensuring that it maintained its spot as one of the best offenses in the league... the Chiefs wouldn't be in the current dire situation they are now in on offense.

But typical Carl Peterson, he let the problem blow up in his face before taking action.

Silock · 12-20-2006, 10:56 AM

What, exactly, has Black done wrong this year at LT? When opponents get pressure, it was mainly coming from a collapsed right side of the line. No, Black isn't Roaf, but who is? He wasn't very good at RT, but RT and LT are two different positions. They're not mirror images of each other just because they're on opposite sides of the line. His problem have been because he was moved around so much, in my opinion. He's settling in to his natural position and it's working right now.

HermIsKing · 12-20-2006, 11:59 AM

Thats right, Herm had difficult problems . to go against . No coach woulda gone to playoffs with this roster Herm needs better players and new cordinators,

HermIsKing · 12-20-2006, 12:09 PM

yeah bill, Herm is'nt predictable he is just too smart not to gamble away games with silly plays like vermeal.

Silock · 12-20-2006, 12:25 PM

Misdirection plays only work when you get the stretch play working. We ran a few screens, or tried to, but they usually got blown up.

**2112** · 12-20-2006, 12:27 PM

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Originally Posted by Silock

Misdirection plays only work when you get the stretch play working. We ran a few screens, or tried to, but they usually got blown up.

You're right....I have to agree with that..

HermIsKing · 12-20-2006, 12:26 PM

herm doesnt like all that misdirection because he knows the best way is to take it directly into the teef of the defense. screens and misdirection are to's.

Oh Snap · 12-20-2006, 01:10 PM

The offense seemed to be just fine under huard at QB. The o line played some of there best football all year when huard was under center. Its herms fault that our offense is where it is because of the decision he made to start green over huard who was playing fantastic. Dont say well what about the fins game. We had bober playing LG in place of the best guard in the NFL. Of course its not going to be the same! So your blowing smoke out your ass if you think herms not at fault for the shitty state our offense is currently in. Maybe Green hurts our offense more then he helps it, including the OL.

Oh Snap · 12-20-2006, 01:38 PM

good point bill. Herm said our offense is going to build up a lead and then sit on it by running the clock out. The giving the defense the opporutnity by closing games out for us, while the offense does its best to keep our D off the field by literally running out the clock. Basically by playing the 'conservative' offense which ironically we start each and every game out with by playing. Herm is backpeddleing. This wasnt the type of offense he said he was wanting to play with to get the lead. You wont get a lead by run run pass. That is what we call a conservative offense. Herm brought it with him from NY and now its here brought back from the depths and is alive and kicking in KC once again!!! Solari doesnt help with his 'clever' playing calling either.

**MahiMike** · 12-20-2006, 03:19 PM

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Originally Posted by Tuckdaddy

Herm has not ruined our offense....

I couldn't get past this sentence....

12-20-2006, 10:16 AM	#1
FD Veteran Join Date: Dec 2006 Location: Indiana Casino cash: $9372813	I agree completely. While all the emphasis in the media are on the stars and "skill" positions, football games are won and lost on the line of scrimmage, and thats where we need to focus.
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12-20-2006, 10:31 AM	#2
StcChief Playing for #1 Draft Pick Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: Just West of Lambs land Casino cash: $10004900	Herm is working with an aging OLine. He will get some good replacements at OG, LT, WR, DT I have confidence. __________________ sig test for this screwy schema
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12-20-2006, 10:32 AM	#3
Silock MVP Join Date: Dec 2006 Location: Overland Park Casino cash: $10020882	We don't need a new LT. We need a new RT.
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12-20-2006, 10:47 AM	#5
acasas4 Starter Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: Independence Casino cash: $9935265	Granted the line isn't what it has been in the past but the play calling is not working. When you're constantly getting into third and long because you run the ball on 1st and 2nd downs the opposing defense is going to bring it on 3rd down because they know you have to throw. Play action more on 1st down, trick plays, hell do something that isn't so predictable. Don't keep trying to do the same thing over and over and expect a different result. __________________ Now I'm ready for some football!
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12-20-2006, 10:56 AM	#7
Silock MVP Join Date: Dec 2006 Location: Overland Park Casino cash: $10020882	What, exactly, has Black done wrong this year at LT? When opponents get pressure, it was mainly coming from a collapsed right side of the line. No, Black isn't Roaf, but who is? He wasn't very good at RT, but RT and LT are two different positions. They're not mirror images of each other just because they're on opposite sides of the line. His problem have been because he was moved around so much, in my opinion. He's settling in to his natural position and it's working right now.
Posts: 19,908

12-20-2006, 11:59 AM	#8
HermIsKing Starter Join Date: Dec 2006 Location: 1 Arrowhead Drive Casino cash: $10004900	Thats right, Herm had difficult problems . to go against . No coach woulda gone to playoffs with this roster Herm needs better players and new cordinators,
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12-20-2006, 12:09 PM	#9
HermIsKing Starter Join Date: Dec 2006 Location: 1 Arrowhead Drive Casino cash: $10004900	yeah bill, Herm is'nt predictable he is just too smart not to gamble away games with silly plays like vermeal.
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12-20-2006, 12:25 PM	#10
Silock MVP Join Date: Dec 2006 Location: Overland Park Casino cash: $10020882	Misdirection plays only work when you get the stretch play working. We ran a few screens, or tried to, but they usually got blown up.
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12-20-2006, 12:26 PM	#12
HermIsKing Starter Join Date: Dec 2006 Location: 1 Arrowhead Drive Casino cash: $10004900	herm doesnt like all that misdirection because he knows the best way is to take it directly into the teef of the defense. screens and misdirection are to's.
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12-20-2006, 01:10 PM	#13
Oh Snap Veteran Join Date: Nov 2005 Casino cash: $8934925	The offense seemed to be just fine under huard at QB. The o line played some of there best football all year when huard was under center. Its herms fault that our offense is where it is because of the decision he made to start green over huard who was playing fantastic. Dont say well what about the fins game. We had bober playing LG in place of the best guard in the NFL. Of course its not going to be the same! So your blowing smoke out your ass if you think herms not at fault for the shitty state our offense is currently in. Maybe Green hurts our offense more then he helps it, including the OL.
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12-20-2006, 01:38 PM	#14
Oh Snap Veteran Join Date: Nov 2005 Casino cash: $8934925	good point bill. Herm said our offense is going to build up a lead and then sit on it by running the clock out. The giving the defense the opporutnity by closing games out for us, while the offense does its best to keep our D off the field by literally running out the clock. Basically by playing the 'conservative' offense which ironically we start each and every game out with by playing. Herm is backpeddleing. This wasnt the type of offense he said he was wanting to play with to get the lead. You wont get a lead by run run pass. That is what we call a conservative offense. Herm brought it with him from NY and now its here brought back from the depths and is alive and kicking in KC once again!!! Solari doesnt help with his 'clever' playing calling either.
Posts: 2,025