Wisniewski in the Seminary - Page 3

NaptownChief · 07-21-2001, 10:16 AM

Raiders | Wisniewski Note - posted at KFFL ([url]http://nfl.kffl.com[/url])
20:41 PT: The Associated Press reports the Oakland Raiders opened training camp on Friday missing OL Steve Wisniewski. He was at a "seminary function" in Southern California. Coach Jon Gruden, who said he has not heard that Wisniewski doesn't plan on playing this season, expected to talk to him in the next few days.

Further proof of the old saying "Religion, the last refuge of a scoundrel."

Mi_chief_fan · 07-21-2001, 07:32 PM

Actually Johnny,

I had a bad experience in church when I was 13, and i've never overcome it. I don't really want to talk about it on the board, but maybe i'll get in touch with you about it.

keg in kc · 07-21-2001, 07:40 PM

John, I'm a living, breathing example that lack of religion does not necessarily equal lack of morals.

There are also examples a-plenty that religion does not necessarily equal morals.

Exceptions to the rule? Perhaps, but when you're making sweeping generalizations you need to recognize the exceptions, as well.

I support our 6th President too (yes, I said 6th ;))

I was just interjecting briefly, I'm going to continue to stay away from religious debates....

Luzap · 07-21-2001, 07:59 PM

Mi_chief_fan,

I have found that, whether I agree or not, I usually respect most of what you say ~ this time I do not.

You (by association) are basically accusing me of being intolerant. [B][I]You[/B][/I] prove that this is true. Because I have the courage to say that someone is wrong in a public forum is not intolerant.

Nor is it disrespectful. It is simply stating my belief. I would suggest your belittlement of my actions here is an example of [B][I]YOUR[/B][/I] intolerance.

Luz
Remember, what we hate most in others is what we usually see in ourselves…

Luzap · 07-21-2001, 08:04 PM

BTW, I am not taking this conversation personally (and I hope you are not either).

You are standing on statements that I will state are wrong. You certainly have the right to do the same thing.

Luz
but it still won't make you right ;) ...

**ChiefGator** · 07-21-2001, 08:06 PM

I have no problem with Organized Religion as long as it is in power. But Religion and Power tend to corrupt more than any other two items. (see Inquisition, Crusades, etc...)

Nice quote though.. both in the Religion and Patriotism flavors..

Clint in Wichita · 07-21-2001, 08:21 PM

The only time I have any problem with organized religion is when they try and push their beliefs/morals onto others, as in the abortion issue.

Mi_chief_fan · 07-22-2001, 05:59 AM

Luzap,

If you thought I was calling you intolerant, I apologize,it was not my intention. I still don't know exactly where you're getting that idea from. The fact that we disagree is one thing; what I have trouble with is that you call the opinions of jl80 & myself wrong, even though you can't actually [i]prove[/i] it(I know, I can't prove it wrong either).

Who knows. Perhaps someday, i'll come around to your way of thinking. ;)

KCJohnny · 07-22-2001, 08:08 AM

Clint,
From my foxhole, I'd say it is the pro-abortion folks who are doing the pushing here.

KCJ
Manning his foxhole diligently

NaptownChief · 07-22-2001, 12:26 PM

[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by Luzap [/i]
[B]

You are standing on statements that I will state are wrong. You certainly have the right to do the same thing.

[/B][/QUOTE]

Since how you granted us permission....Luz, my beliefs are accurate and yours are wrong...:D

RaiderCorporate · 07-22-2001, 09:19 PM

Jl80:

According to a search I did, “Patriotism is the last refuge of the scoundrel” is attributed to a man named Samuel Johnson, who wrote it in his "Letter to Lord Chesterfield," 7 April 1775.

“Public office is the last refuge of a scoundrel” is attributed to someone named Boies Penrose, in 1931.

“Prayer is the last refuge of the scoundrel” is attributed to Lisa Simpson of "The Simpsons."

Couldn’t find one about “Religion is the last refuge of the scoundrel” though.

So, did you actually read that “old saying” somewhere or were you simply tweaking noses among your cheeves kindred?

NaptownChief · 07-23-2001, 11:04 AM

Corporate,

It is an old saying that a good friend of mine has always used...I believe his old man passed it down to him...Regardless of its origin, it is one that I appreciate...

Clint in Wichita · 07-23-2001, 11:05 AM

Wisnewski...semenary?

I would've bet money that he was straight!!;)

NaptownChief · 07-23-2001, 12:08 PM

Clint,

Do you think this will cause him to take a liking to little boys?

KCJohnny · 07-23-2001, 07:21 PM

That was below the belt, jl.
May God not reward you according to your desserts.

tommykat · 07-23-2001, 08:57 PM

Hey all........sorry not enough time to read all the posts, been having a lot of trouble getting on tonight.....but has anything been said about him playing or not?

07-21-2001, 10:16 AM
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07-21-2001, 07:32 PM	#31
Mi_chief_fan There was an idea..... Join Date: Aug 2000 Location: Murfreesboro,TN Casino cash: $9942966	Actually Johnny, I had a bad experience in church when I was 13, and i've never overcome it. I don't really want to talk about it on the board, but maybe i'll get in touch with you about it. __________________ Bandwagon Predators Fan!
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07-21-2001, 07:40 PM	#32
keg in kc oxymoron Join Date: Feb 2001 Location: OP/KC/Whatever Casino cash: $9556299	John, I'm a living, breathing example that lack of religion does not necessarily equal lack of morals. There are also examples a-plenty that religion does not necessarily equal morals. Exceptions to the rule? Perhaps, but when you're making sweeping generalizations you need to recognize the exceptions, as well. I support our 6th President too (yes, I said 6th ;)) I was just interjecting briefly, I'm going to continue to stay away from religious debates....
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07-21-2001, 07:59 PM	#33
Luzap 9.89 Join Date: Aug 2000 Location: Dallas, TX Casino cash: $10004900	Mi_chief_fan, I have found that, whether I agree or not, I usually respect most of what you say ~ this time I do not. You (by association) are basically accusing me of being intolerant. [B][I]You[/B][/I] prove that this is true. Because I have the courage to say that someone is wrong in a public forum is not intolerant. Nor is it disrespectful. It is simply stating my belief. I would suggest your belittlement of my actions here is an example of [B][I]YOUR[/B][/I] intolerance. Luz Remember, what we hate most in others is what we usually see in ourselves…
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07-21-2001, 08:04 PM	#34
Luzap 9.89 Join Date: Aug 2000 Location: Dallas, TX Casino cash: $10004900	BTW, I am not taking this conversation personally (and I hope you are not either). You are standing on statements that I will state are wrong. You certainly have the right to do the same thing. Luz but it still won't make you right ;) ...
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07-21-2001, 08:06 PM	#35
ChiefGator Can these boys not play? Join Date: Apr 2001 Location: Northcentral Florida Casino cash: $6452956	I have no problem with Organized Religion as long as it is in power. But Religion and Power tend to corrupt more than any other two items. (see Inquisition, Crusades, etc...) Nice quote though.. both in the Religion and Patriotism flavors..
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07-21-2001, 08:21 PM	#36
Clint in Wichita Veteran Join Date: Aug 2000 Casino cash: $10004900	The only time I have any problem with organized religion is when they try and push their beliefs/morals onto others, as in the abortion issue.
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07-22-2001, 05:59 AM	#37
Mi_chief_fan There was an idea..... Join Date: Aug 2000 Location: Murfreesboro,TN Casino cash: $9942966	Luzap, If you thought I was calling you intolerant, I apologize,it was not my intention. I still don't know exactly where you're getting that idea from. The fact that we disagree is one thing; what I have trouble with is that you call the opinions of jl80 & myself wrong, even though you can't actually [i]prove[/i] it(I know, I can't prove it wrong either). Who knows. Perhaps someday, i'll come around to your way of thinking. ;) __________________ Bandwagon Predators Fan!
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07-22-2001, 08:08 AM	#38
KCJohnny Blind, deceived homer Join Date: Sep 2000 Location: Maryland, USA Casino cash: $10004900	Clint, From my foxhole, I'd say it is the pro-abortion folks who are doing the pushing here. KCJ Manning his foxhole diligently __________________
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07-22-2001, 12:26 PM	#39
NaptownChief Football Pimp Join Date: Sep 2000 Location: Indianapolis,IN Casino cash: $9974900	[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by Luzap [/i] [B] You are standing on statements that I will state are wrong. You certainly have the right to do the same thing. [/B][/QUOTE] Since how you granted us permission....Luz, my beliefs are accurate and yours are wrong...:D __________________ "We weren't worth a damn," the Kansas City Chiefs head coach said, shaking his head. "I'm not worth a damn. No one's worth a damn..." Former President of the Eric Downing Fan Club and Current President of the Kris"Secret Weapon"Wilson Fan Club
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07-22-2001, 09:19 PM	#40
RaiderCorporate RAIDERS - silver & black 4ever Join Date: Sep 2000 Casino cash: $9994900	Jl80: According to a search I did, “Patriotism is the last refuge of the scoundrel” is attributed to a man named Samuel Johnson, who wrote it in his "Letter to Lord Chesterfield," 7 April 1775. “Public office is the last refuge of a scoundrel” is attributed to someone named Boies Penrose, in 1931. “Prayer is the last refuge of the scoundrel” is attributed to Lisa Simpson of "The Simpsons." Couldn’t find one about “Religion is the last refuge of the scoundrel” though. So, did you actually read that “old saying” somewhere or were you simply tweaking noses among your cheeves kindred?
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07-23-2001, 11:04 AM	#41
NaptownChief Football Pimp Join Date: Sep 2000 Location: Indianapolis,IN Casino cash: $9974900	Corporate, It is an old saying that a good friend of mine has always used...I believe his old man passed it down to him...Regardless of its origin, it is one that I appreciate... __________________ "We weren't worth a damn," the Kansas City Chiefs head coach said, shaking his head. "I'm not worth a damn. No one's worth a damn..." Former President of the Eric Downing Fan Club and Current President of the Kris"Secret Weapon"Wilson Fan Club
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07-23-2001, 11:05 AM	#42
Clint in Wichita Veteran Join Date: Aug 2000 Casino cash: $10004900	Wisnewski...semenary? I would've bet money that he was straight!!;)
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07-23-2001, 12:08 PM	#43
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07-23-2001, 07:21 PM	#44
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07-23-2001, 08:57 PM	#45
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