I think women going to college should carry guns - Page 3

Chiefmanwillcatch · 03-11-2008, 12:32 AM

The girl who was abducted from her dorm. The hitchhiker who wasn't a college girl but was on a walk by herself.

Now these two coed hatecrime murders.

Radar Chief · 03-11-2008, 08:42 AM

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Originally Posted by DaKCMan AP

The problem with that logic is the psychos behind Columbine, Va Tech and many domestic killings are not prototypical "criminals". Often they're people who haven't been in and out of jail and who haven't committed crimes before. For whatever reason (outcast, mental instability, snapping) they go outside of normal behavior and become criminals.

What if everyone else was armed also? Would they have gotten away with killing nearly as many as they did?

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Originally Posted by DaKCMan AP

There isn't any way I'll buy that restricting access to firearms will increase, or increasing access to firearms will decrease, these types of tragedies.

Of course not. You’ve already made up your mind and will probably find some anecdotal evidence to justify your position. Problem with that is, all verifiable statistics point exactly too what you’re claiming is impossible.
Everywhere Concealed Carry has become law, violent crimes have dropped and everywhere guns are taken away from law abiding citizens violent crimes increase.
The article I link before this post has several interesting footnoted links to source data. One I found most interesting is a link to an article about the surge in violent gun crimes in the UK. Get that? A country that outlawed all guns is seeing a big increase in gun crimes.

Chiefnj2 · 03-11-2008, 08:50 AM

Guns in the hands of responsible adults is not the same as guns in the hands of binge drinking/drugging undergrads that are on their own for the first time in their lives.

Radar Chief · 03-11-2008, 08:56 AM

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Originally Posted by Chiefnj2

Guns in the hands of responsible adults is not the same as guns in the hands of binge drinking/drugging undergrads that are on their own for the first time in their lives.

I don’t necessarily disagree, and I’m not exactly advocating arming all students either.
I’m taking pot shots at the idea that guns cause crime. Because they don’t, they’re merely a tool:

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It is the hard heart that kills.

Sure-Oz · 03-11-2008, 08:57 AM

I say give them all tazers

Radar Chief · 03-11-2008, 09:03 AM

So, I’m left wondering: are we hearing more about violence on campus’ because sensationalism sells news or because criminals have found a soft target where they know no one is armed?

HonestChieffan · 03-11-2008, 09:05 AM

http://concealedcampus.org/

This group is growing rapidly

**DaKCMan AP** · 03-11-2008, 09:13 AM

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Originally Posted by Radar Chief

What if everyone else was armed also? Would they have gotten away with killing nearly as many as they did?

How many more might have been injured or killed if a bunch of guns started going off? It works both ways.

Radar Chief · 03-11-2008, 09:25 AM

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Originally Posted by DaKCMan AP

How many more might have been injured or killed if a bunch of guns started going off? It works both ways.

How exactly do “guns start going off” on their own?

**DaKCMan AP** · 03-11-2008, 09:28 AM

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Originally Posted by Radar Chief

How exactly do “guns start going off” on their own?

Who stated that they're going off on their own?

If a bunch of armed people under attack start pulling out guns and firing in a panicked situation I'm not confident everyone is going to have great aim and/or control.

Otter · 03-11-2008, 09:30 AM

A chicken in every pot and a cap for every ass!!!

Eleazar · 03-11-2008, 09:30 AM

I've been considering this too. It's not just colleges, it's workplaces too where it happens. In a way I feel like if you're a responsible member of society, maybe it's almost your duty to prepare yourself and help protect others?

I'm worried about the political situation this fall and beyond, too... It could become a 'get them while you can' situation.

Jilly · 03-11-2008, 09:32 AM

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Originally Posted by Radar Chief

So, I’m left wondering: are we hearing more about violence on campus’ because sensationalism sells news or because criminals have found a soft target where they know no one is armed?

good question....

HonestChieffan · 03-11-2008, 09:32 AM

If we are not careful we will have an all out assault on our Constitutional rights to have fireams over the next 4 years. Campus rules or not, the threat to all of us is very real.

Radar Chief · 03-11-2008, 09:32 AM

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Originally Posted by DaKCMan AP

Who stated that they're going off on their own?

You did. You didn’t mention a word about the people pulling the trigger, just that guns would start going off.

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Originally Posted by DaKCMan AP

If a bunch of armed people under attack start pulling out guns and firing in a panicked situation I'm not confident everyone is going to have great aim and/or control.

Why do you automatically assume everyone will pull their gat and start hosing down everything in front of them?

Eleazar · 03-11-2008, 09:32 AM

I'm reminded of the VT shootings... that nutjob kid chained all the doors shut and just walked around the building emptying like 20 magazines.... he shot, what 50 people, for want of one other person there who could stop him.

Hell someone engaging him would have at least given others time to escape.

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Eleazar Beyond the Rapids Join Date: May 2003 Location: Langley, VA Casino cash: $-370000	I've been considering this too. It's not just colleges, it's workplaces too where it happens. In a way I feel like if you're a responsible member of society, maybe it's almost your duty to prepare yourself and help protect others? I'm worried about the political situation this fall and beyond, too... It could become a 'get them while you can' situation.
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HonestChieffan Seeking the Truth daily Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: In the Country in MO Casino cash: $-1665691	If we are not careful we will have an all out assault on our Constitutional rights to have fireams over the next 4 years. Campus rules or not, the threat to all of us is very real. __________________ "We read books for knowledge; We read the Bible for wisdom!"
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