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View Poll Results: Which would you rather have?
Devastating defensive line with Jared Allen 19 33.33%
Patchwork DL and three rookies 38 66.67%
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Old 04-27-2008, 11:12 PM  
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The hypothetical Jared Allen/rookies poll
Would you rather have

Jared Allen lining up next to Alfonso Boone, Glenn Dorsey and Tamba Hali

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Our current patchwork DL

And Branden Albert, Brad Cottam and DaJuan Morgan?


I guess I'll only be satisfied with the trade if Albert turns out to be a stud LT and Cottam is the long-term replacement for Gonzalez. Morgan would be gravy.
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Old 04-28-2008, 12:31 AM   #31
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Jeremy Zuttah out of Boston College
Cody Wallace out of Texas A&M
Anthony Collins out of Kansas
Tony Hills out of Texas
Ray Shuenning out of Orgon State
Carl Nicks out of Nebraska

Any of those would have been okay with me.
Considering that every one of those guys, save for Zuttah was available after we made our 4th round pick, we did a good job maximizing value and not drafting based upon a perceived need.

Nicks was banned from his own pro day by his coach.

I look at a guy like Anthony Collins or Tony Hills and compare him to Barry Richardson, and I don't really see a difference. In fact, Richardson is more naturally gifted and was had 3 round beyond where you wanted these guys to go.
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Old 04-28-2008, 12:34 AM   #32
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For what it's worth, this poll is completely ignorant because it's oblivious to the fact that this is a multi-year rebuild. This line is patchwork *this year*.
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For what it's worth, this poll is completely ignorant because it's oblivious to the fact that this is a multi-year rebuild. This line is patchwork *this year*.
Other players are irrelevant in my opinion.

If these three picks don't pan out we traded Allen for nothing.
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Old 04-28-2008, 06:19 AM   #34
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The answer depends upon how badly the defensive line degrades. Can Dorsey's presence improve Hali's numbers? Can our new 7th round DE be a presence on the right side?

Since the predicate of this team is that you have to have ball control on the offense, than I don't see how the line is any worse than last year. And I have a great deal of confidence that by year's end it will begin to find a personality. And since even with a better overall defense we weren't going to the SB, I go with the trade.
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Old 04-28-2008, 06:30 AM   #35
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Old 04-28-2008, 07:12 AM   #36
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I've heard many of the learned brethren say here that it takes a couple of years for d-line to develop with exceptions of course. We have a couple that got their feet wet last year and should be improved. Dorsey is an exception. I fully expect him to be a beast this year. We won't have 1 guy with 15 sacks but I can see Hali with 8-10 and the rest with 3-5 each. I just don't see a huge drop on the d-line. After seeing what we got with JA's draft picks I like the trade now. If the Chiefs had stunk it up draft day I might of felt differently but, as of the day after the draft, I think the prognosis has improved both this fall and long term.
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If we still had Jared Allen, I feel that we wouldn't have drafted Dorsey even if he fell to us. You would have seen a trade with the Saints because the FO wanted more picks.
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Other players are irrelevant in my opinion.

If these three picks don't pan out we traded Allen for nothing.
Which is exactly what we would have got when Allen left after this year. Do you honestly believe he was worth the money the Vikings gave him? There's no way we could have afforded that.
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Other players are irrelevant in my opinion.

If these three picks don't pan out we traded Allen for nothing.
you still don't understand what we're doing....

these picks are important beyond the players chosen, these picks gave us the confidence/luxury of drafting for value and not reaching...

the only goal is to build a complete team that can compete for a Superbowl...if we do that then the trade was a success regardless of what you think of any individual player....

this kind of score keeping is just latent True Fan anxiety...
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Old 04-28-2008, 08:35 AM   #40
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you still don't understand what we're doing....

these picks are important beyond the players chosen, these picks gave us the confidence/luxury of drafting for value and not reaching...

the only goal is to build a complete team that can compete for a Superbowl...if we do that then the trade was a success regardless of what you think of any individual player....

this kind of score keeping is just latent True Fan anxiety...
exactly, our draft outlook was completley effected by the ja trade. Us just drafting good players and not reaching for anybody is what made it a good draft. There was absolutely no reason to pay ja the kinda money minnesota did and we got 3 players for someone who was leaving next year anyway........win win
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exactly, our draft outlook was completley effected by the ja trade. Us just drafting good players and not reaching for anybody is what made it a good draft. There was absolutely no reason to pay ja the kinda money minnesota did and we got 3 players for someone who was leaving next year anyway........win win
and we have 30 mill in FA money to spend

people forget...whoever we sign counts in the trade, because that money would have been locked up in Jared Allen

the reality is we got 3 draft picks and 2-3 future FAs....

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Where's the option for having a sick line for one year, then watching JA walk for nothing because we don't want to spend that kind of guaranteed money on him?
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To some people, if the Chiefs had not traded Allen then Herm and Carl would have used a draft chart compiled by Matt Millen, but rejected at the last minute by Millen because it was too stupid. It makes them feel better about a DL that has Boone as a defensive end.
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Having Boone as a DE isn't ideal at all, but we can't fix everything all at once.
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