Chiefs Were our coordinators finally turned loose? - Page 3

**petegz28** · 09-28-2008, 03:52 PM

I cannot help but notice the complete and total change in the playcalling on both sides of the ball. We have all seen Gailey offenses and Gunther defenses of the past and I think we can say what we saw the last 3 weeks were not typical of either.

Today, particularly on defense we seemed to play more agressive, particularly with the LB's.

One has to wonder if Herm's thumb was a little to heavy and maybe after last week the coordinators told him to back off some?

Maybe?

ChiefsCountry · 09-29-2008, 12:38 AM

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Originally Posted by Claythan

We had a "pro" quarterback under center today. Shocking that we looked competent on offense. Shocking, I say.

No the running game kicked ass today. Quarterback had nothing to do with it today.

Hammock Parties · 09-29-2008, 12:40 AM

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Originally Posted by ChiefsCountry

Quarterback had nothing to do with it today.

Please.

Fish · 09-29-2008, 08:43 AM

Good thread.

I don't think our playcalling or game-planning was different in this game at all. We still tried to establish the run first, and not put too much pressure on the QB. Difference being, this game they executed well and it actually worked. Turnover ratio was in our favor. It's funny how much perceptions change because of a win.

Compare Fax's 1st down stats to last week's first down stats vs. Atlanta:

Pass -T.Thigpen sacked at KC 29 for -7 yards(55-J.Abraham).
Run -L.Johnson right tackle to KC 24 for 3 yards(50-C.Lofton).
Pass -T.Thigpen pass incomplete short left to 42-M.Cox.
Run -L.Johnson left tackle to KC 31 for 7 yards (36-L.Milloy).
Run -L.Johnson up the middle to KC 22 for no gain (90-G.Jackson).
Pass -T.Thigpen pass incomplete short right to 81-D.Darling.
Run -J.Charles left end to KC 33 for 11 yards (59-M.Boley).
Pass -T.Thigpen pass short right intended for 81-D.Darling INTERCEPTED
Pass -T.Thigpen pass incomplete short right to 81-D.Darling.
Pass -T.Thigpen pass incomplete short middle to 88-T.Gonzalez.
Pass -T.Thigpen pass incomplete short left to 88-T.Gonzalez [98-J.Anderson].
Pass -T.Thigpen pass incomplete deep left to 82-D.Bowe.
Pass -T.Thigpen pass incomplete deep middle to 85-W.Franklin (36-L.Milloy).
Run -L.Johnson right tackle to ATL 34 for 48 yards (26-E.Coleman). FUMBLES (26-E.Coleman), ball out of bounds at ATL 27.
Run -L.Johnson up the middle to ATL 33 for 1 yard (56-K.Brooking).
Run -L.Johnson left end to ATL 17 for 6 yards (26-E.Coleman).
Run -L.Johnson up the middle to ATL 1 for 5 yards (36-L.Milloy).
Run -L.Johnson up the middle to KC 44 for 2 yards (56-K.Brooking).
Run -L.Johnson right end to ATL 30 for 13 yards (26-E.Coleman, 36-L.Milloy).
Pass -T.Thigpen pass short right to 82-D.Bowe to ATL 21 for 9 yards (26-E.Coleman, 55-J.Abraham).
Run -L.Johnson left end to ATL 19 for -2 yards (26-E.Coleman).
Run -L.Johnson right end to KC 16 for 9 yards (20-B.Grimes). PENALTY
Run -L.Johnson up the middle to KC 3 for -1 yards (71-K.Biermann, 90-G.Jackson).
Pass -T.Thigpen pass incomplete short right to 82-D.Bowe.
Run -L.Johnson right end to ATL 20 for no gain (52-C.Wire).
Run -L.Johnson up the middle to ATL 4 for 4 yards (26-E.Coleman).
Pass -T.Thigpen pass short left intended for 82-D.Bowe INTERCEPTED
Run -J.Charles up the middle to KC 17 for 3 yards (59-M.Boley).

Pasta Little Brioni · 09-29-2008, 08:55 AM

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Originally Posted by ChiefsCountry

No the running game kicked ass today. Quarterback had nothing to do with it today.

I disagree completely. Thigpen couldn't hit the broad side of a barn and Huard wasn't spectacular, but he was very efficient and helped move the chains.

kaplin42 · 09-29-2008, 10:46 AM

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Originally Posted by Claythan

I don't think some of you realize that they aren't always calling a swing pass. Sometimes - GASP - the guy running in the flat is the only player open.

TYLER THIGPEN.

We had a "pro" quarterback under center today. Shocking that we looked competent on offense. Shocking, I say.

You're acting like Huard is the answer to our problems. I thought this was discovered last year, that he is most definately not a starting QB. Agreed that he is a step up from Thigpen, but that is not really saying a whole lot now is it.

**Lzen** · 09-29-2008, 10:49 AM

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Originally Posted by Misplaced_Chiefs_Fan

Uh, the final was 33 - 19. Not quite 20+ points.

Must be that Kstate math.

**Lzen** · 09-29-2008, 10:57 AM

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Originally Posted by ChiefsCountry

No the running game kicked ass today. Quarterback had nothing to do with it today.

QB had nothing to do with it? Are you serious? Look, I don't think Huard is all that great, either. But he is a whole lot better than Thigpen. Thigpen is horrible. Huard, for the most part, played pretty well against Denver.

HC_Chief · 09-29-2008, 11:04 AM

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Originally Posted by Lzen

QB had nothing to do with it? Are you serious? Look, I don't think Huard is all that great, either. But he is a whole lot better than Thigpen. Thigpen is horrible. Huard, for the most part, played pretty well against Denver.

ZERO INTS.

**ExtremeChief** · 09-29-2008, 11:09 AM

Huard always seems to be a little inaccurate in the first half, then finds his groove in the 2nd half. I think Huard may have been more of a difference than the playcalling. While not spectacular by any means, he did an efficient job and the offense seems to have more confidence with him under center.

Overall, the team seemed to play with more fire and intensity than the last two weeks. Not sure if it was because of the rivalry. Hopefully we see the same fire next week and these young guys continue to gain confidence.

blueballs · 09-29-2008, 11:10 AM

Denver's _efense sucks
Denver's receivers couldn't take 3 steps and keep their footing
the end

MOhillbilly · 09-29-2008, 11:15 AM

somewhere around the third quarter i found myself standing on the bed screaming at the tv.

been along time. days like yesterday, the crowd coming through the radio, the cool fall day, the dog running for cover cause im going nuts.

i even seen stevie on the tube about the 4th.
it was the uproar.
yesterday was a great day.

CoMoChief · 09-29-2008, 11:25 AM

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Originally Posted by Claythan

I don't think some of you realize that they aren't always calling a swing pass. Sometimes - GASP - the guy running in the flat is the only player open.

TYLER THIGPEN.

We had a "pro" quarterback under center today. Shocking that we looked competent on offense. Shocking, I say.

Funny, you were all for the Thigpen experiment.

Funny how things change.

Some people on here are ****ing idiots.

Zouk · 09-29-2008, 11:34 AM

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Originally Posted by KC Fish

Good thread.

I don't think our playcalling or game-planning was different in this game at all.

People who don't really know a lot of football always see losing as the result of two things and two things only: playcalling and effort. This is because they don't really understand all of the little things that must be executed properly to win the battle on each snap. And on virtually all plays at the professional level teams are not fooled or bowled over by superior effort - they are simply out-executed.

Bill Belichick explains this very well in the few times he speaks at length to the press.

**Buehler445** · 09-29-2008, 12:10 PM

I think this is a good point to discuss. Offensively, I was thoroughly NOT impressed with the play calling, particularly in the Red Zone. Most especially in the Red Zone after a turnover. After a turnover is when you can throw some garbage out there if you are ahead. Someone gives you a freebee, take a chance and try to stick the dagger. Shanarat has done this to us 10,000 times, but we just run the ball, run the ball, and.....run the ball. Most importantly, Herm's "safe" workhorse turned the ball over when he got upended, so running isn't all that safe either.

To their defense though, Huard did throw an aweful lot of bad balls. An aweful lot of them. But they had to be thrown to loosen up the D for LJ. And I have no freaking idea why they weren't trying to go downfield with Brodie. He throws much better balls than Huard does.

While there is improvement on offense, I'm not impressed by it.

Defensively though, this is the first time in years I've thought, "this is a well prepared group." I'm glad Herm let Gun throw some garbage at them. It was very very necessary. When Culter had as much time as he wanted, he was picking us to pieces. Hopefully we can continue to attack defensively.

Chiefshrink · 09-29-2008, 12:36 PM

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Originally Posted by L.A.Chieffan

We couldn't score 1st and goal within the 10 twice in 1st quarter. Let's not start sucking our dicks just yet.

Precisely! We went against a pretty poor Run D

09-28-2008, 03:52 PM
petegz28 Supporter Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: Olathe, Ks Casino cash: $-1105873	Were our coordinators finally turned loose? I cannot help but notice the complete and total change in the playcalling on both sides of the ball. We have all seen Gailey offenses and Gunther defenses of the past and I think we can say what we saw the last 3 weeks were not typical of either. Today, particularly on defense we seemed to play more agressive, particularly with the LB's. One has to wonder if Herm's thumb was a little to heavy and maybe after last week the coordinators told him to back off some? Maybe?
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09-29-2008, 08:43 AM	#33
Fish Ain't no relax! Join Date: Sep 2005 Casino cash: $-1441081	Good thread. I don't think our playcalling or game-planning was different in this game at all. We still tried to establish the run first, and not put too much pressure on the QB. Difference being, this game they executed well and it actually worked. Turnover ratio was in our favor. It's funny how much perceptions change because of a win. Compare Fax's 1st down stats to last week's first down stats vs. Atlanta: Pass -T.Thigpen sacked at KC 29 for -7 yards(55-J.Abraham). Run -L.Johnson right tackle to KC 24 for 3 yards(50-C.Lofton). Pass -T.Thigpen pass incomplete short left to 42-M.Cox. Run -L.Johnson left tackle to KC 31 for 7 yards (36-L.Milloy). Run -L.Johnson up the middle to KC 22 for no gain (90-G.Jackson). Pass -T.Thigpen pass incomplete short right to 81-D.Darling. Run -J.Charles left end to KC 33 for 11 yards (59-M.Boley). Pass -T.Thigpen pass short right intended for 81-D.Darling INTERCEPTED Pass -T.Thigpen pass incomplete short right to 81-D.Darling. Pass -T.Thigpen pass incomplete short middle to 88-T.Gonzalez. Pass -T.Thigpen pass incomplete short left to 88-T.Gonzalez [98-J.Anderson]. Pass -T.Thigpen pass incomplete deep left to 82-D.Bowe. Pass -T.Thigpen pass incomplete deep middle to 85-W.Franklin (36-L.Milloy). Run -L.Johnson right tackle to ATL 34 for 48 yards (26-E.Coleman). FUMBLES (26-E.Coleman), ball out of bounds at ATL 27. Run -L.Johnson up the middle to ATL 33 for 1 yard (56-K.Brooking). Run -L.Johnson left end to ATL 17 for 6 yards (26-E.Coleman). Run -L.Johnson up the middle to ATL 1 for 5 yards (36-L.Milloy). Run -L.Johnson up the middle to KC 44 for 2 yards (56-K.Brooking). Run -L.Johnson right end to ATL 30 for 13 yards (26-E.Coleman, 36-L.Milloy). Pass -T.Thigpen pass short right to 82-D.Bowe to ATL 21 for 9 yards (26-E.Coleman, 55-J.Abraham). Run -L.Johnson left end to ATL 19 for -2 yards (26-E.Coleman). Run -L.Johnson right end to KC 16 for 9 yards (20-B.Grimes). PENALTY Run -L.Johnson up the middle to KC 3 for -1 yards (71-K.Biermann, 90-G.Jackson). Pass -T.Thigpen pass incomplete short right to 82-D.Bowe. Run -L.Johnson right end to ATL 20 for no gain (52-C.Wire). Run -L.Johnson up the middle to ATL 4 for 4 yards (26-E.Coleman). Pass -T.Thigpen pass short left intended for 82-D.Bowe INTERCEPTED Run -J.Charles up the middle to KC 17 for 3 yards (59-M.Boley). __________________
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09-29-2008, 11:09 AM	#39
ExtremeChief Poser Join Date: Mar 2001 Location: BFE, MO Casino cash: $9991344	Huard always seems to be a little inaccurate in the first half, then finds his groove in the 2nd half. I think Huard may have been more of a difference than the playcalling. While not spectacular by any means, he did an efficient job and the offense seems to have more confidence with him under center. Overall, the team seemed to play with more fire and intensity than the last two weeks. Not sure if it was because of the rivalry. Hopefully we see the same fire next week and these young guys continue to gain confidence. __________________ When you wish upon a falling star, your dreams can come true. Unless it's really a meteorite hurtling to the Earth which will destroy all life. Then you're pretty much hosed no matter what you wish for. Unless it's death by meteor.
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09-29-2008, 11:10 AM	#40
blueballs Banned Join Date: Feb 2006 Casino cash: $10004900	Denver's _efense sucks Denver's receivers couldn't take 3 steps and keep their footing the end
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09-29-2008, 11:15 AM	#41
MOhillbilly Mama Tried Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Missouri Casino cash: $9949903	somewhere around the third quarter i found myself standing on the bed screaming at the tv. been along time. days like yesterday, the crowd coming through the radio, the cool fall day, the dog running for cover cause im going nuts. i even seen stevie on the tube about the 4th. it was the uproar. yesterday was a great day. __________________ True Son of Liberty
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09-29-2008, 12:10 PM	#44
Buehler445 Supporter Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Scott City KS Casino cash: $-1595266	I think this is a good point to discuss. Offensively, I was thoroughly NOT impressed with the play calling, particularly in the Red Zone. Most especially in the Red Zone after a turnover. After a turnover is when you can throw some garbage out there if you are ahead. Someone gives you a freebee, take a chance and try to stick the dagger. Shanarat has done this to us 10,000 times, but we just run the ball, run the ball, and.....run the ball. Most importantly, Herm's "safe" workhorse turned the ball over when he got upended, so running isn't all that safe either. To their defense though, Huard did throw an aweful lot of bad balls. An aweful lot of them. But they had to be thrown to loosen up the D for LJ. And I have no freaking idea why they weren't trying to go downfield with Brodie. He throws much better balls than Huard does. While there is improvement on offense, I'm not impressed by it. Defensively though, this is the first time in years I've thought, "this is a well prepared group." I'm glad Herm let Gun throw some garbage at them. It was very very necessary. When Culter had as much time as he wanted, he was picking us to pieces. Hopefully we can continue to attack defensively.
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