Chiefs Whose fault is Tamba Hali? - Page 3

**the Talking Can** · 01-17-2009, 08:58 PM

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Originally Posted by booger

Gun just tries to recreate past D's that were sucessfull. I get a kick out of people that act like it's because Herm forces the cover two on him. With weak corners in the past that's about all we could do. We played much, much more man with Flowers and Carr, at least until Flowers was hurt. Gun fools around and plays DJ at WLB while that makes sense, if they were going to do that they shouldn't have signed Demo Williams to play SLB. DJ played pretty well at SLB and was at his best as a pass rusher from a 2 point stance rushing RT's.

He played Boone at DE because when he was with the Titans Kevin Carter played DE at 317 lbs and was effective. Too bad they aren't the same player. Like he tried to turn Bell into another Anthony Davis.

He had Williams rushing the passer the first couple of weaks of the season from a stand up spot of the left side while he had a cast covering his whole hand. Later the cast comes off and he doesn't see the field until injuries put him back in and then he never rushed the passer like he did earlier in the season and like he did at Nebraska.

You can't falt him for losing Allen but he really deserves criticism for not playing to the strengths of what he had to work with.

Pretty obvious things were blowing up in his face like coaching LB's as well when they bring in Bunting as a D consultant after only 6 weaks of the season.

great post

and his last abortion of an idea: DJ as MLB

booger · 01-17-2009, 09:07 PM

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Originally Posted by the Talking Can

great post

and his last abortion of an idea: DJ as MLB

DJ has been moved around so damned much, had 3 LB coaches. He needs to step it up himself but all the other crap doesn't help him out either.

I'd like to see us play a ravens style hybrid D. DJ might fit a type of Suggs type role, rushing and coverage. Might be better for dorsey as well if Pioli gets the right HC and or DC and players.

I admire how they could take a guy like Adalius Thomas 6'2 270 and make him such a big part of it. The pats took notice and signed him.

Not from an athletic standpoint but a size and agility comparrason, McBride sizes up about the same way. 6'2 278 and lanky.

They find the tweener guys in the draft that may not fit and plug them in just like the true 34 teams like the steelers do. That's why i'd love Rex Ryan.

blueballs · 01-17-2009, 09:06 PM

his strength was in his dreads

chiefsfan4life1978 · 01-17-2009, 09:37 PM

I have been really surprised by Tamba Hali's lack of production. Even though he walks and runs with his feet pointed way inward which I've always thought might be a big hinderance to him on the field, he looked so good in college I really thought he'd be productive with or without Allen. McBride, on the other hand, I still remember when we drafted him in the second round and learning of his 6.5 career college sacks and thinking wtf? His lack of production has been no surprise at all.

Chiefaholic · 01-18-2009, 12:23 AM

I seem to recall reading an article a while back that he has problems with his feet. They're wider and faltter than normal, which lead to foot problems. You'de think with the cash these guys have to spend, they'de have shoes tailor made for the guy. That combined with leg problems, a dimwit coaching the D-Line, and a head coach that had no clue, the guy never had a chance.

Tamba's strength is on the left side of the line, and hopefully they'll move Dorsey next to Tamba, then either draft or pick up a bigger DT to take Dorsey's spot. This is where Pioli comes into play and has done quite well drafting stars on the D-Line. A healthy Hali, dominant DT's, and an intelligent D-Line coach could bring his sack total as good as or better than his rookie season.

Wilson8 · 01-18-2009, 08:31 AM

I agree with the group that has said moving Tamba to right defensive end and injury hurt him last year. I think if KC brings in a good defensive coordinator and signs or drafts a good right defense end, Tamba’s numbers will improve.
He will never be a star but he can contribute to the team. Tamba was the opposite mistake of drafting a player because of his combine numbers. His combine numbers should have been a warning. Carl fell in love with his story and his character. He is not fast enough to be a speed rusher and he is not strong enough to overpower the offensive tackle. The result is what you have with Tamba, a guy that works hard but does not have the physical tools to dominate at his position.

MikeMaslowski · 01-18-2009, 10:05 AM

swolb ilah abmat

StcChief · 01-18-2009, 10:26 AM

Leave him on LE draft another DT, DE. see where he goes 2009. then

Pioli will have to decide.

BigChiefFan · 01-18-2009, 10:29 AM

Gee, getting rid of our best pass-rusher just might have a little something to do with it, that and Hali is just going through the motions. I'd consider trading him in a heartbeat.

**the Talking Can** · 01-18-2009, 10:32 AM

he sucks against the run no matter where you line him up

he's a rotational LDE that should sub on passing downs...no what you hope for with a 1st round pick, but he can still contribute if we had a DC with a brain...

milkman · 01-18-2009, 10:35 AM

Hali is what he is.

He's a solid, unspectacular, LDE, who is better suited as a rotational type player.

The fact that Krumrie, ****her, and Herman ****ing Edwards decided that he had the kind of talent to play RDE just serves to illustrate how incompetent all these idiots are.

Some of us were saying that it wouldn't work as soon as we heard that Hali was being moved.

boogblaster · 01-18-2009, 10:34 AM

It's his fault.. If you watch him he dives in every time .. he gets blocked into the pile .. Pretty simple to block him, use his weight going inside and push him into the pile ...

**banyon** · 01-18-2009, 12:58 PM

In, retrospect, I'm a genious, right?

Right?

http://www.chiefsplanet.com/BB/showt...highlight=hali

MikeMaslowski · 01-18-2009, 01:04 PM

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Originally Posted by banyon

In, retrospect, I'm a genious, right?

Right?

http://www.chiefsplanet.com/BB/showt...highlight=hali

Um, geniuses typically spell genius correctly. However, I would say you are more of an idiot savant.

**banyon** · 01-18-2009, 01:11 PM

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Originally Posted by MikeMaslowski

Um, geniuses typically spell genius correctly. However, I would say you are more of an idiot savant.

see lexicon.

http://www.chiefsplanet.com/BB/showt...hlight=lexicon

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chiefsfan4life1978 Be Humble...Be Humble... Join Date: Dec 2008 Location: Lees Summit Casino cash: $10004904	I have been really surprised by Tamba Hali's lack of production. Even though he walks and runs with his feet pointed way inward which I've always thought might be a big hinderance to him on the field, he looked so good in college I really thought he'd be productive with or without Allen. McBride, on the other hand, I still remember when we drafted him in the second round and learning of his 6.5 career college sacks and thinking wtf? His lack of production has been no surprise at all.
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01-18-2009, 12:23 AM	#5
Chiefaholic Veteran Join Date: Aug 2000 Casino cash: $420027	I seem to recall reading an article a while back that he has problems with his feet. They're wider and faltter than normal, which lead to foot problems. You'de think with the cash these guys have to spend, they'de have shoes tailor made for the guy. That combined with leg problems, a dimwit coaching the D-Line, and a head coach that had no clue, the guy never had a chance. Tamba's strength is on the left side of the line, and hopefully they'll move Dorsey next to Tamba, then either draft or pick up a bigger DT to take Dorsey's spot. This is where Pioli comes into play and has done quite well drafting stars on the D-Line. A healthy Hali, dominant DT's, and an intelligent D-Line coach could bring his sack total as good as or better than his rookie season.
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01-18-2009, 08:31 AM	#6
Wilson8 Veteran Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Kansas City Casino cash: $2817557	I agree with the group that has said moving Tamba to right defensive end and injury hurt him last year. I think if KC brings in a good defensive coordinator and signs or drafts a good right defense end, Tamba’s numbers will improve. He will never be a star but he can contribute to the team. Tamba was the opposite mistake of drafting a player because of his combine numbers. His combine numbers should have been a warning. Carl fell in love with his story and his character. He is not fast enough to be a speed rusher and he is not strong enough to overpower the offensive tackle. The result is what you have with Tamba, a guy that works hard but does not have the physical tools to dominate at his position.
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the Talking Can Supporter Join Date: Aug 2001 Location: street Casino cash: $9112208	he sucks against the run no matter where you line him up he's a rotational LDE that should sub on passing downs...no what you hope for with a 1st round pick, but he can still contribute if we had a DC with a brain... __________________ Clark Hunt: "Thank god for the Dominican pool boy"
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01-18-2009, 10:35 AM	#11
milkman Dumbass! Join Date: Aug 2000 Location: Leading the Marty bashing Casino cash: $10029395	Hali is what he is. He's a solid, unspectacular, LDE, who is better suited as a rotational type player. The fact that Krumrie, **her, and Herman **ing Edwards decided that he had the kind of talent to play RDE just serves to illustrate how incompetent all these idiots are. Some of us were saying that it wouldn't work as soon as we heard that Hali was being moved. __________________
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boogblaster MVP Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: Verdigris Valley Campsite Casino cash: $10004900	It's his fault.. If you watch him he dives in every time .. he gets blocked into the pile .. Pretty simple to block him, use his weight going inside and push him into the pile ... __________________ WR or S please
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