Chiefs Haley reminds me of.... - Page 3

kcbubb · 01-24-2009, 02:34 PM

Brian Billick.

Billick was the offensive coordinator of the Vikings from 92-98 and had one the highest scoring offenses in league history in 1998. The Vikes had an older QB, Randall Cunningham, a super talented, young receiver, Randy Moss, and another very good receiver, Chris Carter.

Billick went on to win a superbowl, but his offenses were never very good.

The point of the comparison is to show that coaches are often given credit for success that may not be attributable to them. Haley maybe a great coach, but the success of the cardinals offense is not enough to determine that.

The Chiefs should hire Chan Gailey as head coach and wait for a more proven coach if Gailey is not successful instead of making a huge commitment to a unproven coach like Hailey.

Marcellus · 01-24-2009, 08:54 PM

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Originally Posted by KCChiefsfan88

So basically your strategy is for the Chiefs to essentially not compete until they can get a proven coach?

What if they hire Gailey and the Chiefs go 9-7 next year. Under your plan, you would favor the Chiefs firing Gailey and hiring Cowher or Shanahan?

Is your plan advocating essentially naming Gailing as an interim head coach until they can hire a head coach like Cowher?

Do you realize how brain-dead your idea looks?

Seriously

Not gonna happen but if Gailey could make this team 9-7 next year he would be coach of the year.

I don't care who takes over. A Miami Dolphins / Atlanta Falcons type turn around is very rare and not likely to happen next year in KC.

I do hope I am wrong though.

milkman · 01-24-2009, 09:02 PM

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Originally Posted by kcbubb

I think if you hire Gailey as head coach and hire a good defensive coordinator that the chances of success would be better than hiring Haley. Haley has only been calling plays for a year if Larry Fitzgerald wasn't catching everything thrown to him, Haley wouldn't have even been mentioned. The bonus is that if Gailey is not successful that you haven't invested as much in him and hopefully you could move to a more qualified head coach sooner, maybe even promote the d coordinator that you hired to complement Gailey to head coach.

The short bus called.

They're missing the kid from the back of the bus.

kcbubb · 01-24-2009, 09:06 PM

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Originally Posted by milkman

The short bus called.

They're missing the kid from the back of the bus.

so, you think Haley will be a good head coach???

theorangelion · 01-24-2009, 09:08 PM

Let's get one thing straight. Haley has never been a HC. So all speculation aside of his potential his record is zero. Now, that we have established that let's review. Shanahan, Parcells, Cowher hmmmmm..............all have Super Bowl Ring, Gee who do I want unkown or proven?????

Sully · 01-24-2009, 09:10 PM

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Originally Posted by kcbubb

so, you think Haley will be a good head coach???

I do.

milkman · 01-24-2009, 09:13 PM

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Originally Posted by kcbubb

so, you think Haley will be a good head coach???

Whether or not Haley will be a good coach has nothing to do with it.

Hiring a coach that you think of as an interim coach to start a new regime is about the stupiest ****ing idea ever.

chiefscafan · 01-24-2009, 09:18 PM

i'm starting to warm up to him

**The Bad Guy** · 01-24-2009, 09:30 PM

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Originally Posted by kcbubb

The point of this post was not that Gailey is the guy, but that Haley is weak coaching candidate from a historical perspective. I don't think Gailey is a great head coaching candidate, but I do think he did something with nothing. He made an offense that was one of the worst I have ever seen into something that was decent.

With Haley, no one on this board would think he is great if not for some great plays by Whisenhunt's players. Does Larry Fitz catching a ball over two defenders make him a better coach???? Did he pick Larry Fitz in the draft??? If not, then what makes Haley such a great coach that we should commit to him long term?? The cards would have been out of the playoffs without Larry F. making those plays and no one would know who Haley is.

Also another negative for Haley is that one of the teams weakest point is on the front seven defensively. What expertise does he bring to the team that can solve those problems?

What made this offense decent? The fact they could move the ball in the first half?

Please start making some ****ing sense. Haley would hire a defensive coach to handle the front seven deficiencies.

The Patriots wouldn't have won 3 Super Bowls without Tom Brady. What's your ****ing point? Haley's job was the put players in position to make plays. He did that. The Cardinals offense was pretty awesome most of the year.

You are going round and round in circles.

I knew who Todd Haley was before he was the Cardinals coordinator. I pay attention to the NFL - it's a shame you obviously don't.

kcbubb · 01-24-2009, 09:37 PM

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Originally Posted by milkman

Whether or not Haley will be a good coach has nothing to do with it.

Hiring a coach that you think of as an interim coach to start a new regime is about the stupiest ****ing idea ever.

I didn't say that I wanted to hire an interim head coach. I said that I believe that Gailey has a better chance of being successful with a good d coordinator than Haley does. I don't Haley has done enough to deserve a shot at being head coach yet. I do think that it is added bonus that if Gailey is not successful that the Chiefs will likely cut him loose and not stick with a bad coach because you are financially invested in him and his staff.

**The Bad Guy** · 01-24-2009, 09:40 PM

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Originally Posted by kcbubb

I didn't say that I wanted to hire an interim head coach. I said that I believe that Gailey has a better chance of being successful with a good d coordinator than Haley does. I don't Haley has done enough to deserve a shot at being head coach yet. I do think that it is added bonus that if Gailey is not successful that the Chiefs will likely cut him loose and not stick with a bad coach because you are financially invested in him and his staff.

Chan Gailey has PROVEN he's a shit NFL head coach.

Keep spinning.

kcbubb · 01-24-2009, 09:47 PM

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Originally Posted by The Bad Guy

What made this offense decent? The fact they could move the ball in the first half?

Please start making some ****ing sense. Haley would hire a defensive coach to handle the front seven deficiencies.

The Patriots wouldn't have won 3 Super Bowls without Tom Brady. What's your ****ing point? Haley's job was the put players in position to make plays. He did that. The Cardinals offense was pretty awesome most of the year.

You are going round and round in circles.

I knew who Todd Haley was before he was the Cardinals coordinator. I pay attention to the NFL - it's a shame you obviously don't.

yes you pay attention to the nfl.... oh...... that's right. you thought he had been calling the plays for two years.... you need to calm down buddy. Haley is getting too much credit for his players making big plays. He's only been calling plays for a year. and they went 9-7 in the regular season with a weak schedule..... so why do you think he will be a great coach? please convince me if i'm wrong. i would like to have more optimism than i do about him if he ends up coaching the chiefs.

**The Bad Guy** · 01-24-2009, 09:59 PM

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Originally Posted by kcbubb

yes you pay attention to the nfl.... oh...... that's right. you thought he had been calling the plays for two years.... you need to calm down buddy. Haley is getting too much credit for his players making big plays. He's only been calling plays for a year. and they went 9-7 in the regular season with a weak schedule..... so why do you think he will be a great coach? please convince me if i'm wrong. i would like to have more optimism than i do about him if he ends up coaching the chiefs.

Continuing this argument would be pointless.

You're a hypocrite. You keep saying how Gailey should be promoted, but then you knock Haley for ALL THE REASONS you want Gailey. You say that you're concerned because our front-seven is weak defensively, but wouldn't that criticism apply to Gailey as well?

I don't have to prove anything to you. You lost when you constantly backed Chan as the next HC.

LOCOChief · 01-24-2009, 10:15 PM

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Originally Posted by Bowser

Hell, YOU could have made the playoffs with the Cowboys' roster then. They won the Super Bowl with Barry freaking Switzer, fer crissakes.

switzer was always underated as a college or NFL coach imo

**Dylan** · 01-24-2009, 11:05 PM

i posted in the wrong thread...

Mecca · 01-25-2009, 01:07 AM

Chan Gailey proved without a doubt in the NFL and in college he is not a head coach...

And for the record I don't care how long he's called plays, you can be a great coordinator and a shitty head coach. Knowing how to call plays or having experience at it is not the end all be all of a head coach.

If you want to knock Haley for saying those aren't his guys, frankly most of them are Dennis Green's players. Todd Haley was a WR coach before he was an OC, there's a reason no one in this league has WR's like the Cardinals do...he made Fitzgerald better, he's turned Steve Breaston into a player, he deserves credit for this.

01-24-2009, 02:34 PM
kcbubb Veteran Join Date: Nov 2008 Casino cash: $4936719	Haley reminds me of.... Brian Billick. Billick was the offensive coordinator of the Vikings from 92-98 and had one the highest scoring offenses in league history in 1998. The Vikes had an older QB, Randall Cunningham, a super talented, young receiver, Randy Moss, and another very good receiver, Chris Carter. Billick went on to win a superbowl, but his offenses were never very good. The point of the comparison is to show that coaches are often given credit for success that may not be attributable to them. Haley maybe a great coach, but the success of the cardinals offense is not enough to determine that. The Chiefs should hire Chan Gailey as head coach and wait for a more proven coach if Gailey is not successful instead of making a huge commitment to a unproven coach like Hailey.
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theorangelion Starter Join Date: Jan 2009 Location: n00b, Texas Casino cash: $10004900	Let's get one thing straight. Haley has never been a HC. So all speculation aside of his potential his record is zero. Now, that we have established that let's review. Shanahan, Parcells, Cowher hmmmmm..............all have Super Bowl Ring, Gee who do I want unkown or proven?????
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Mecca Hockey Town Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Kansas City, Missouri Casino cash: $-792950	Chan Gailey proved without a doubt in the NFL and in college he is not a head coach... And for the record I don't care how long he's called plays, you can be a great coordinator and a shitty head coach. Knowing how to call plays or having experience at it is not the end all be all of a head coach. If you want to knock Haley for saying those aren't his guys, frankly most of them are Dennis Green's players. Todd Haley was a WR coach before he was an OC, there's a reason no one in this league has WR's like the Cardinals do...he made Fitzgerald better, he's turned Steve Breaston into a player, he deserves credit for this.
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