Chiefs A few thoughts on individual performances in tonights game.... - Page 3

shammus · 10:22 PM

Don't really have any stats to back all this up but here's what I noticed as I was watching tonights game. Defense shows some promise but offense appeared to be really sputtering. Succup and Colquitt were solid on special teams while our return game was pretty bad. Anyways, I'm sure there's stuff I missed, but here's what I saw specifically -

The Good

Offense
Dwayne Bowe - the offense didn't really pick up until he got into the game. Had several nice plays, including a diving catch and didn't drop any passes. He might have been our biggest impact player in that game. Bradley had a couple nice grabs too.
First team Oline - didn't get to watch this unit too close. Looked like Albert was doing well though.
Dantrell Savage had several nice runs and a good catch out of the backfield.
Backup quarterbacks - looked like Croyle did a decent job moving the ball down the field and Thigpen had some success when he was in as well (mostly running though)

Defense
Dorsey and Jackson appeared to be getting good penetration. I thought I saw Jackson even get a sack or did they give that to Studebaker?
Derrick Johnson was all over the field...several tackles
Tamba Hali - same thing...a couple of his stops were in the backfield
Corey Mays - also racked up quite a few tackles. On the whole, the first team unit of linebackers did really well. Demorrio Williams played well when he was in too. Didn't hear them call Vrabel's name though....
Flowers was very effective. Forced a fumble, nearly had a pick six and played solid defense. I thought Leggett looked really good too - had a sack in the first quarter and was still making plays in the 4th
Alex Magee had a few nice stops at the line against the run that I noticed

Special Teams
Succop was very impressive. All kickoffs were into the endzone or close to it. That 48 yard field goal was absolutely nailed. Very impressive in the rain.

The Bad

Offense
The one sack we gave up looked like Brandon Albert's fault. It appeared it was Albert who totally whiffed on Connor Barwin but the announcers said it was Herb Taylor. Offensive line play dropped off when the backups came in.
The success we had running the ball appeared to be because of Jackie Battle and Dantrell Savage, two guys fighting for a spot with the team. LJ and Javarris Williams were "meh" at best and I don't even recall Jamaal Charles getting in the game.
I noticed Thigpen running for his life and Croyle throwing on the run quite a bit.
The offense really sputtered when Cassel was running it. He had Copper and Darling as his starting wideouts though. When Bradley and Bowe came in, things picked up. Cassel had a couple nice completions and it looked like a couple of the others were dropped.
Did Toomer or Engram even play??

Defense
Didn't seem as though our 2nd team defense put any pressure on the QB and they were able to move the ball down the field easier
Didn't hear Tank Tyler's name called more than once (for a tackle) and didn't hear Edwards called at all. How was our play at NT??

Ugh.....for Chrissakes....
Not pretty for our return game. Never saw anyone get past the 23 yard line on a KR or PR and nobody (Savage, Lawrence, Wright) really stood out and distinguished themselves. I noticed a couple drops too which I suppose happens in the rain.
Letting Matt Turk rumble for a first down was abysmal. He even fumbled the snap first. Someone clearly missed an assignment on that one...
Both Cassel and Croyle fumbled a snap apiece from under center. This led to two turnovers on our side of the field. Oddly enough, Houston didn't appear to have any issues hanging on to the ball though...hmmmm....

TRR · 08-15-2009, 11:35 PM

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Originally Posted by shammus

Great question...I wondered about this too. I didn't see either on the field, ever. I saw Engram give Thigpen a pat on the back after his TD pass so it was clear to me that he at least suited up. I never saw Toomer at all.

I wonder if tonight's game will push Haley into a decision, one way or another on whether or not to sign Ashley Lelie....

Engram played with the first team on a couple of occasions, running underneath routes. The #1 O just didn't throw the ball very much.

Toomer #13 was suited up on the sideline, but I never actually saw him enter the game.
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**Buehler445** · 08-15-2009, 11:40 PM

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Originally Posted by Town'NCountryChief

It does, thanks. What confuses me is that Gutierrez was cut by the Pats for that scrub Andrew Walter. How good could he possibly be? (Gutierrez, I mean)

Andrew Walter isn't horrid. He's got some talent. He was just infested with the Oakland suck.

**Slainte** · 08-15-2009, 11:44 PM

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Originally Posted by Buehler445

Andrew Walter isn't horrid.

I don't know, dude. I saw him in several Raider pre-season games and he blew dead bear chunks...not impressive.

Tiger's Fan · 08-15-2009, 11:44 PM

A few observations:

Niswanger looks overmatched at center on every play. The other center, cuharic (sp), isn't worth learning how to spell his name, and should be on the street.

Pollard continues to be a major liability in coverage, and the LBers aren't getting enough of a drop in coverage.

It's silly to think that Bowe won't be starting game one. Message sent and received.

Croyle should be solidly #2. Yes, he's an injury waiting to happen, but in the meantime, he has a rocket arm with good accuracy.

We need a lot more consistency with ST coverage and returns. Garbage.

On the whole, the D looked decent, but I'm concerned with the play of all our safties.

These are the things to pay attention to in a preseason game, ladies, not the final score.

chiefbowe82 · 08-15-2009, 11:54 PM

Our oline as a whole looked like shit LJ was fighting to get back past the line of scrimmage, not sure why copper/darling started. Cassell was in quite a few series but never really got an opportunity to show himself, he made a couple nice throws. Succop looked impressive strong leg, I have a gut feeling he's going to be special for us. Bowe, toomer, engram, bradley should all be above copper/darling. colquitt had a nice punt. lbers weren't dropping enough in coverage. I seen the chiefs of last year getting gashed run after run for 8 yards while not getting out of the backfield on offense. shaub was 7/7 against us. we showed a couple flashes defensively. flowers did good against their second string struggled against the first. thigpen is a better runner than passer.

Ultra Peanut · 08-16-2009, 07:51 AM

Time to buy a Succop jersey.

Pioli Zombie · 08-16-2009, 08:02 AM

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Originally Posted by LaChapelle

If you can fuse Thigpen and Croyle together.

You would have two Gay backup quarterbacks.
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beach tribe · 08-16-2009, 08:14 AM

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Originally Posted by GoChiefs

Let's get crazy - does Croyle have any trade value if he keeps playing well?

This is going to sound completely crazy, but i see Croyle having some sort of career in this league. I think someone is going to give him a chance, or he's gonna win a job in camp, or something one day, and I truly see him having a few moments where he rips it up.

**the Talking Can** · 08-16-2009, 08:14 AM

imo, the OL looked like last year: good to stong on the left side, below average to bad on the right...lj looked fine but it still seems like he's in a hurry and misses holes...

DL...ups and downs, weak in the middle...did dorsey do anything?

Hali was better than anyone expected...doesn't mean he'll be good, but he's exceeded very low expectations so far....

LBs made some plays but don't appear to be able to cover yet, will be a problem all year i imagine...Mays certainly stood out, need to see it continue...

I think Jackson looked strong but couldn't really tell with the pixelated feed

Flowers = Total Bad Ass...we need one of him at every level of the defense

Cassel was fine despite everyone's concern trolling...his passes were on target and if our back up WRs could catch we'd have gone some where...his scramble and pass to Ryan was nice, composed play...

Croyle looked solid, but can never quite seal the deal...very surprised to see him bounce back from the knee injury so fast

thigpen's talent is best displayed in the 4th quarters of preseason games...

our fg kicker has a leg stronger than the octomom's vag...

Bowe looked good and focused and no bs....he'll be first team soon if he isn't as we speak....point received...the concern trolling on this has been hilarious (see mecca, gamethread or whitlock)

Charles is the one really getting sent a message, i think (unless he's injured), but no notices or concern trolls about it...he had a couple of carries? clearly behind Battle at this point

pretty much what we we thought was a problem coming in was a problem: WR, NT, right side OL...

vanilla stuff, from which I learned - according to chiefs fans - that a) Thigpen should start b) Haley doesn't know Bowe is a good WR c) our offense is just like Herm's d) and that you can grade play calling in a preseason game....all in all a fine table setting for the season..

**Buehler445** · 08-16-2009, 08:24 AM

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Originally Posted by the Talking Can

DL...ups and downs, weak in the middle...did dorsey do anything?

Hali was better than anyone expected...doesn't mean he'll be good, but he's exceeded very low expectations so far....

Charles is the one really getting sent a message, i think (unless he's injured), but no notices or concern trolls about it...he had a couple of carries? clearly behind Battle at this point

Watching this for the first time this morning.

Dorsey just forced the OL to hold on him, that really helped out the play, FWIW.

WTF is with the D? They're stopping the run and can't stop the pass...Twilight zone.

Charles has been in to block on both 3rd downs. Don't really know what to think of that.

riskrevival · 08-16-2009, 08:25 AM

if this was a season game and Schaub would have played the whole game we would have lost by 30. Our safeties and LB pass coverage is awful.

milkman · 08-16-2009, 08:26 AM

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Originally Posted by Buehler445

Watching this for the first time this morning.

Dorsey just forced the OL to hold on him, that really helped out the play, FWIW.

WTF is with the D? They're stopping the run and can't stop the pass...Twilight zone.

Charles has been in to block on both 3rd downs. Don't really know what to think of that.

Dorsey is getting penetration pretty consistently, even though he's getting double teams quite a bit.

Ron Edwards is absolute horseshit.

**the Talking Can** · 08-16-2009, 08:28 AM

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Originally Posted by Buehler445

Watching this for the first time this morning.

Dorsey just forced the OL to hold on him, that really helped out the play, FWIW.

WTF is with the D? They're stopping the run and can't stop the pass...Twilight zone.

Charles has been in to block on both 3rd downs. Don't really know what to think of that.

thanks, couldn't make out a lot of details on the feed....seemed like dorsey gets moved around on later series, but i could be mistaken

i think, in general, besides just running basic plays in order to have film on these guys, and i mean basic plays...the coaches were much more interested in exposing our second string players, probably to see how agressive we need to be on the waiver wire....

**the Talking Can** · 08-16-2009, 08:28 AM

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Originally Posted by milkman

Dorsey is getting penetration pretty consistently, even though he's getting double teams quite a bit.
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good to hear

milkman · 08-16-2009, 08:28 AM

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Originally Posted by Buehler445

Watching this for the first time this morning.

Dorsey just forced the OL to hold on him, that really helped out the play, FWIW.

WTF is with the D? They're stopping the run and can't stop the pass...Twilight zone.

Charles has been in to block on both 3rd downs. Don't really know what to think of that.

They are getting gashed up the middle on runs, and Ron Edwards is being pushed around rather easily.

08-15-2009, 10:04 PM
shammus Starter Join Date: Sep 2006 Casino cash: $7674957	A few thoughts on individual performances in tonights game.... Don't really have any stats to back all this up but here's what I noticed as I was watching tonights game. Defense shows some promise but offense appeared to be really sputtering. Succup and Colquitt were solid on special teams while our return game was pretty bad. Anyways, I'm sure there's stuff I missed, but here's what I saw specifically - The Good Offense Dwayne Bowe - the offense didn't really pick up until he got into the game. Had several nice plays, including a diving catch and didn't drop any passes. He might have been our biggest impact player in that game. Bradley had a couple nice grabs too. First team Oline - didn't get to watch this unit too close. Looked like Albert was doing well though. Dantrell Savage had several nice runs and a good catch out of the backfield. Backup quarterbacks - looked like Croyle did a decent job moving the ball down the field and Thigpen had some success when he was in as well (mostly running though) Defense Dorsey and Jackson appeared to be getting good penetration. I thought I saw Jackson even get a sack or did they give that to Studebaker? Derrick Johnson was all over the field...several tackles Tamba Hali - same thing...a couple of his stops were in the backfield Corey Mays - also racked up quite a few tackles. On the whole, the first team unit of linebackers did really well. Demorrio Williams played well when he was in too. Didn't hear them call Vrabel's name though.... Flowers was very effective. Forced a fumble, nearly had a pick six and played solid defense. I thought Leggett looked really good too - had a sack in the first quarter and was still making plays in the 4th Alex Magee had a few nice stops at the line against the run that I noticed Special Teams Succop was very impressive. All kickoffs were into the endzone or close to it. That 48 yard field goal was absolutely nailed. Very impressive in the rain. The Bad Offense The one sack we gave up looked like Brandon Albert's fault. It appeared it was Albert who totally whiffed on Connor Barwin but the announcers said it was Herb Taylor. Offensive line play dropped off when the backups came in. The success we had running the ball appeared to be because of Jackie Battle and Dantrell Savage, two guys fighting for a spot with the team. LJ and Javarris Williams were "meh" at best and I don't even recall Jamaal Charles getting in the game. I noticed Thigpen running for his life and Croyle throwing on the run quite a bit. The offense really sputtered when Cassel was running it. He had Copper and Darling as his starting wideouts though. When Bradley and Bowe came in, things picked up. Cassel had a couple nice completions and it looked like a couple of the others were dropped. Did Toomer or Engram even play?? Defense Didn't seem as though our 2nd team defense put any pressure on the QB and they were able to move the ball down the field easier Didn't hear Tank Tyler's name called more than once (for a tackle) and didn't hear Edwards called at all. How was our play at NT?? Ugh.....for Chrissakes.... Not pretty for our return game. Never saw anyone get past the 23 yard line on a KR or PR and nobody (Savage, Lawrence, Wright) really stood out and distinguished themselves. I noticed a couple drops too which I suppose happens in the rain. Letting Matt Turk rumble for a first down was abysmal. He even fumbled the snap first. Someone clearly missed an assignment on that one... Both Cassel and Croyle fumbled a snap apiece from under center. This led to two turnovers on our side of the field. Oddly enough, Houston didn't appear to have any issues hanging on to the ball though...hmmmm.... Last edited by shammus; 08-15-2009 at 10:22 PM..
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08-15-2009, 11:44 PM	#34
Tiger's Fan Veteran Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Ks Casino cash: $10004900	A few observations: Niswanger looks overmatched at center on every play. The other center, cuharic (sp), isn't worth learning how to spell his name, and should be on the street. Pollard continues to be a major liability in coverage, and the LBers aren't getting enough of a drop in coverage. It's silly to think that Bowe won't be starting game one. Message sent and received. Croyle should be solidly #2. Yes, he's an injury waiting to happen, but in the meantime, he has a rocket arm with good accuracy. We need a lot more consistency with ST coverage and returns. Garbage. On the whole, the D looked decent, but I'm concerned with the play of all our safties. These are the things to pay attention to in a preseason game, ladies, not the final score. __________________ Rock Chalk! The San Diego SuperChokers! DaneMcCloud: where cowardice meets dishonesty
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08-15-2009, 11:54 PM	#35
chiefbowe82 Banned Join Date: Aug 2006 Casino cash: $10004900	Our oline as a whole looked like shit LJ was fighting to get back past the line of scrimmage, not sure why copper/darling started. Cassell was in quite a few series but never really got an opportunity to show himself, he made a couple nice throws. Succop looked impressive strong leg, I have a gut feeling he's going to be special for us. Bowe, toomer, engram, bradley should all be above copper/darling. colquitt had a nice punt. lbers weren't dropping enough in coverage. I seen the chiefs of last year getting gashed run after run for 8 yards while not getting out of the backfield on offense. shaub was 7/7 against us. we showed a couple flashes defensively. flowers did good against their second string struggled against the first. thigpen is a better runner than passer.
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08-16-2009, 07:51 AM	#36
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08-16-2009, 08:14 AM	#39
the Talking Can Supporter Join Date: Aug 2001 Location: street Casino cash: $9132208	imo, the OL looked like last year: good to stong on the left side, below average to bad on the right...lj looked fine but it still seems like he's in a hurry and misses holes... DL...ups and downs, weak in the middle...did dorsey do anything? Hali was better than anyone expected...doesn't mean he'll be good, but he's exceeded very low expectations so far.... LBs made some plays but don't appear to be able to cover yet, will be a problem all year i imagine...Mays certainly stood out, need to see it continue... I think Jackson looked strong but couldn't really tell with the pixelated feed Flowers = Total Bad Ass...we need one of him at every level of the defense Cassel was fine despite everyone's concern trolling...his passes were on target and if our back up WRs could catch we'd have gone some where...his scramble and pass to Ryan was nice, composed play... Croyle looked solid, but can never quite seal the deal...very surprised to see him bounce back from the knee injury so fast thigpen's talent is best displayed in the 4th quarters of preseason games... our fg kicker has a leg stronger than the octomom's vag... Bowe looked good and focused and no bs....he'll be first team soon if he isn't as we speak....point received...the concern trolling on this has been hilarious (see mecca, gamethread or whitlock) Charles is the one really getting sent a message, i think (unless he's injured), but no notices or concern trolls about it...he had a couple of carries? clearly behind Battle at this point pretty much what we we thought was a problem coming in was a problem: WR, NT, right side OL... vanilla stuff, from which I learned - according to chiefs fans - that a) Thigpen should start b) Haley doesn't know Bowe is a good WR c) our offense is just like Herm's d) and that you can grade play calling in a preseason game....all in all a fine table setting for the season.. __________________ Clark Hunt: "Thank god for the Dominican pool boy"
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08-16-2009, 08:25 AM	#41
riskrevival Registered User Join Date: Jan 2009 Location: Pennsylvania Casino cash: $10004900	if this was a season game and Schaub would have played the whole game we would have lost by 30. Our safeties and LB pass coverage is awful.
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