Football And the pussification keeps rolling on.... - Page 3

**Nzoner** · 09-16-2009, 08:06 PM

Too focking bad,then don't let your son play the game!!

Sorry if a repost

A parent of a player, however, was more than willing to share his thoughts.

Ray Foster, whose son plays for Pompano Beach, said it was embarrassing to see his son's team beat by such a wide margin.

"I am sure we take it harder than they do," Foster said. "But it is humiliating to read the box score; it just doesn't seem right."

Florida High School Team Defends 83-0 Rout

He can explain that three of the touchdowns came on returns. And that a blocked punt brought a fourth.

He can offer that his team threw just one pass in the second half. One that was played with backups and with a running clock throughout.

He can even reveal that his team lost to this very opponent just a year ago.

But in a high school landscape increasingly aware of sportsmanship issues - one where quick harsh judgments are made based solely on a score - Chaminade-Madonna football coach Tim Tyrrell knows he has a tough time explaining how his Hollywood, Fla., team rolled to victory over Pompano Beach last week.

83-0.

"We did not go into the game looking to score that many points,'' he said, "and a lot of them came in bunches and off big plays.

"We only had one real drive; the rest came on short fields."

The Lions scored on a blocked punt, and two interceptions directly set up short touchdowns. Then to open the second half, senior Demitri Beal took the kickoff back 99 yards.

The defense also forced four more turnovers on the night.

The question then becomes when is enough enough? Chaminade-Madonna tied the Broward County record for margin of victory, a mark first established in 1951.

Gary Pigott, the senior director of athletics for the Florida High School Athletics Association, said there have been rules changes to help reduce the scoring opportunities - and thus avoid games such as these.

"About four years ago we switched from an optional running clock to a mandatory running clock for the mercy rule," Pigott said.

"It used to be optional, and the team who was behind had to request the clock. Some coaches thought that signified that they had given up on their team. We wanted to take that ethical problem away as best we could."

Pompano Beach coach Greg McGirt, reached by phone this week, did not want to discuss the game.

"I don't really want to talk about it,'' he said. "You might want to talk to my athletic director."

Athletic director Vince Stevenson didn't return phone calls.

A parent of a player, however, was more than willing to share his thoughts.

Ray Foster, whose son plays for Pompano Beach, said it was embarrassing to see his son's team beat by such a wide margin.

"I am sure we take it harder than they do," Foster said. "But it is humiliating to read the box score; it just doesn't seem right."

And that may be for parents on both sides. Foster said parents of the Chaminade-Madonna team - sitting close by at a field that had just one set of stands - did not applaud their team's final scores, the last of which came in the fourth quarter.

"It was weird. We were all sitting on the same side of the field," Foster said. "Their fans were a little embarrassed by it, too. They stopped clapping by the fourth quarter."

Tyrrell, in his second year as coach at Chaminade-Madonna, said he has to do right by his team.

"I can not tell kids who do not get a chance to play to go in and not try,'' he said. "To not get better. To not work hard."

And Tyrell points out all his starters were out of the game at halftime, following a 42-point second quarter.

"If I pull my first team too early they will not be ready for the games that are coming up on our schedule,'' Tyrrell said. "It is my job to get this team ready."

That schedule includes perennial power Miami Monsignor Pace and 2008 Class 2A state runner-up Miami Gulliver Prep.

Last season Monsignor Pace bettered Chaminade-Madonna 41-0, and four other schools also broke the 40-point barrier against the Lions.

It was something Tyrrell said his team had to learn from.

"We had a lot of tough games, but we have to learn to win or lose with class," Tyrrell said.

"Whether we are up 60 or down 60 we have to work hard. We have to coach hard."

That may be easier said on the plus side of the 83-0 score.

And as Pigott points out, "What goes around comes around."

Reerun_KC · 09-16-2009, 11:04 PM

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Originally Posted by Raised On Riots

I didn't think it was possible for ass-backward to go ass-backward due to the restraints of physics, but apparently HS Football in Oklahoma has done just that.

I guess you never heard of Jenks or Union HS programs in Tulsa? They are a freaking College football factory... They send players everywhere.. OU and OSU fight over those guys every year...

Sweet Daddy Hate · 09-16-2009, 11:07 PM

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Originally Posted by Reerun_KC

I guess you never heard of Jenks or Union HS programs in Tulsa? They are a freaking College football factory... They send players everywhere.. OU and OSU fight over those guys every year...

Well, it was 86 when I stopped paying attention.

Reerun_KC · 09-16-2009, 11:09 PM

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Originally Posted by Raised On Riots

Well, it was 86 when I stopped paying attention.

Dont fail on me now...

**Buehler445** · 09-16-2009, 11:22 PM

Dude. Let the kids play. If you're getting hammered, it doesn't matter if it's by 40 or 80. Once the game is out of reach, it sucks and there really isn't any difference.

I've been blown out before and once it is out of reach, you kind of quit looking at the score and try to make plays. Once in a summer league basketball game, we were getting shithammered by a team from Milwaukee and I got up and blocked a dunk. At least I was able to take that away from it. And if you start kneeling or whatever, you take away the kids on defense ability to make plays, and ultimately GET BETTER which is the point.

Shit happens. Blowouts happen. FFS, in the Nebraska State tournament some ****ers were getting blown out like 47-3. And that's at STATE.

Let the kids play. It does nobody any good for a team to all out quit. They shouldn't try to run up the score, but kid's gotta play.

Sweet Daddy Hate · 09-16-2009, 11:25 PM

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Originally Posted by Reerun_KC

Dont fail on me now...

Victory is mine! The red dusts of Oklahoma have been shaken from my feet, and I continue my journey westward, one day to to feel the warm sands of the Pacific beach between my toes!

Reerun_KC · 09-16-2009, 11:30 PM

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Originally Posted by Raised On Riots

Victory is mine! The red dusts of Oklahoma have been shaken from my feet, and I continue my journey westward, one day to to feel the warm sands of the Pacific beach between my toes!

I hope you drown or get eaten by a shark...

Reerun_KC · 09-16-2009, 11:31 PM

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Originally Posted by Buehler445

Dude. Let the kids play. If you're getting hammered, it doesn't matter if it's by 40 or 80. Once the game is out of reach, it sucks and there really isn't any difference.

I've been blown out before and once it is out of reach, you kind of quit looking at the score and try to make plays. Once in a summer league basketball game, we were getting shithammered by a team from Milwaukee and I got up and blocked a dunk. At least I was able to take that away from it. And if you start kneeling or whatever, you take away the kids on defense ability to make plays, and ultimately GET BETTER which is the point.

Shit happens. Blowouts happen. FFS, in the Nebraska State tournament some ****ers were getting blown out like 47-3. And that's at STATE.

Let the kids play. It does nobody any good for a team to all out quit. They shouldn't try to run up the score, but kid's gotta play.

This...

Let everyone play and try to get better...

Reerun_KC · 09-16-2009, 11:32 PM

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Originally Posted by Reerun_KC

I hope you drown or get eaten by a shark...

Just kidding ROR, just a really bad sunburn.

**TinyEvel** · 09-16-2009, 11:33 PM

Herm wants to kill himself just so he can roll over in his grave.

Sweet Daddy Hate · 09-16-2009, 11:53 PM

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Originally Posted by Reerun_KC

Just kidding ROR, just a really bad sunburn.

That's okay, I shark-wrestle for beer money on the weekend.

**Kyle DeLexus** · 09-17-2009, 12:03 AM

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Originally Posted by Raised On Riots

That's okay, I shark-wrestle for beer money on the weekend.

Damn I need to start a "the pussification keeps rolling on" thread about myself then because I just donate plasma for beer money.

**jAZ** · 09-17-2009, 12:14 AM

Don't blame the stronger team. If it's that bad, the losing coach needs to meet with the team and suggest they consider resigning. Maybe switch it to a practice/scrimmage.

Sweet Daddy Hate · 09-17-2009, 12:21 AM

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Originally Posted by Kyle DeLexus

Damn I need to start a "the pussification keeps rolling on" thread about myself then because I just donate plasma for beer money.

Not really; that lack of plasma will test your beer drinking mettle!

Grrrrr....

JohninGpt · 09-17-2009, 06:19 AM

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Originally Posted by Reerun_KC

I guess you never heard of Jenks or Union HS programs in Tulsa? They are a freaking College football factory... They send players everywhere.. OU and OSU fight over those guys every year...

I don't know what division Guthrie is, but Tulsa Union won the 6A championship and started this season ranked at like 23 in the nation. They lost to Jenks last week, which is fine with me. I are a Broken Arrow gradiate.

Swanman · 09-17-2009, 07:27 AM

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Originally Posted by jAZ

Don't blame the stronger team. If it's that bad, the losing coach needs to meet with the team and suggest they consider resigning. Maybe switch it to a practice/scrimmage.

As Bob Stoops said a few years ago after catching shit for winning by a ton of points, "I am not the other teams defensive coordinator".

Seems the winning team was just running the ball and playing very vanilla after getting up big. And you can't tell your kids not to play hard. Playing football at half-speed can get you hurt. Whole thing is a non-story. If you don't like getting beat by 83, either quit or stop sucking.

09-16-2009, 08:06 PM
Nzoner a haw haw haw Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: MIZZOU Casino cash: $26365802	And the pussification keeps rolling on.... Too focking bad,then don't let your son play the game!! Sorry if a repost A parent of a player, however, was more than willing to share his thoughts. Ray Foster, whose son plays for Pompano Beach, said it was embarrassing to see his son's team beat by such a wide margin. "I am sure we take it harder than they do," Foster said. "But it is humiliating to read the box score; it just doesn't seem right." Florida High School Team Defends 83-0 Rout He can explain that three of the touchdowns came on returns. And that a blocked punt brought a fourth. He can offer that his team threw just one pass in the second half. One that was played with backups and with a running clock throughout. He can even reveal that his team lost to this very opponent just a year ago. But in a high school landscape increasingly aware of sportsmanship issues - one where quick harsh judgments are made based solely on a score - Chaminade-Madonna football coach Tim Tyrrell knows he has a tough time explaining how his Hollywood, Fla., team rolled to victory over Pompano Beach last week. 83-0. "We did not go into the game looking to score that many points,'' he said, "and a lot of them came in bunches and off big plays. "We only had one real drive; the rest came on short fields." The Lions scored on a blocked punt, and two interceptions directly set up short touchdowns. Then to open the second half, senior Demitri Beal took the kickoff back 99 yards. The defense also forced four more turnovers on the night. The question then becomes when is enough enough? Chaminade-Madonna tied the Broward County record for margin of victory, a mark first established in 1951. Gary Pigott, the senior director of athletics for the Florida High School Athletics Association, said there have been rules changes to help reduce the scoring opportunities - and thus avoid games such as these. "About four years ago we switched from an optional running clock to a mandatory running clock for the mercy rule," Pigott said. "It used to be optional, and the team who was behind had to request the clock. Some coaches thought that signified that they had given up on their team. We wanted to take that ethical problem away as best we could." Pompano Beach coach Greg McGirt, reached by phone this week, did not want to discuss the game. "I don't really want to talk about it,'' he said. "You might want to talk to my athletic director." Athletic director Vince Stevenson didn't return phone calls. A parent of a player, however, was more than willing to share his thoughts. Ray Foster, whose son plays for Pompano Beach, said it was embarrassing to see his son's team beat by such a wide margin. "I am sure we take it harder than they do," Foster said. "But it is humiliating to read the box score; it just doesn't seem right." And that may be for parents on both sides. Foster said parents of the Chaminade-Madonna team - sitting close by at a field that had just one set of stands - did not applaud their team's final scores, the last of which came in the fourth quarter. "It was weird. We were all sitting on the same side of the field," Foster said. "Their fans were a little embarrassed by it, too. They stopped clapping by the fourth quarter." Tyrrell, in his second year as coach at Chaminade-Madonna, said he has to do right by his team. "I can not tell kids who do not get a chance to play to go in and not try,'' he said. "To not get better. To not work hard." And Tyrell points out all his starters were out of the game at halftime, following a 42-point second quarter. "If I pull my first team too early they will not be ready for the games that are coming up on our schedule,'' Tyrrell said. "It is my job to get this team ready." That schedule includes perennial power Miami Monsignor Pace and 2008 Class 2A state runner-up Miami Gulliver Prep. Last season Monsignor Pace bettered Chaminade-Madonna 41-0, and four other schools also broke the 40-point barrier against the Lions. It was something Tyrrell said his team had to learn from. "We had a lot of tough games, but we have to learn to win or lose with class," Tyrrell said. "Whether we are up 60 or down 60 we have to work hard. We have to coach hard." That may be easier said on the plus side of the 83-0 score. And as Pigott points out, "What goes around comes around."
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Buehler445 Supporter Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Scott City KS Casino cash: $-1605266	Dude. Let the kids play. If you're getting hammered, it doesn't matter if it's by 40 or 80. Once the game is out of reach, it sucks and there really isn't any difference. I've been blown out before and once it is out of reach, you kind of quit looking at the score and try to make plays. Once in a summer league basketball game, we were getting shithammered by a team from Milwaukee and I got up and blocked a dunk. At least I was able to take that away from it. And if you start kneeling or whatever, you take away the kids on defense ability to make plays, and ultimately GET BETTER which is the point. Shit happens. Blowouts happen. FFS, in the Nebraska State tournament some ****ers were getting blown out like 47-3. And that's at STATE. Let the kids play. It does nobody any good for a team to all out quit. They shouldn't try to run up the score, but kid's gotta play.
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