Chiefs Hard not to like the improvement in WRs... - Page 3

Direckshun · 09-17-2009, 02:11 AM

What was our depth chart at this time last year? Can we go back that far?

Now we've got a legit stud (Bowe), two players with good-to-great ability (Bradley & Wade), an uber-experienced vet (Engram), and a young athlete who needs a ton of refining (Lawrence).

This corps goes from good to brilliant if we find someway to add another stud -- not even a stud, just a really reliably good, game-in-game-out compliment to Bowe.

RippedmyFlesh · 09-17-2009, 08:51 AM

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Originally Posted by FAX

When you stop and think about it, Haley and Pioli may have an interesting offensive personnel strategy playing out here.

Surely, we can assume that both Pioli and Haley realize that our o-line is sub-par and unable to consistently provide sufficient run-blocking to establish a significant rushing threat or (God forbid) pass protection. I have to believe they recognize this problem and would, in an ideal world, prefer to build the offense inside-out.

However, they've been unfortunately unable to either identify, recruit, or acquire (for whatever reason) meaningful upgrades to the line - at least, up to now.

So, instead, they're attempting to dramatically improve the receiver corp. This might make sense. If the line can't be depended upon to allow the QB to consistently take 7 step drops and/or go through all his possible reads, sure-handed receivers who can run quick 5 to 15 yard routes might be a back-handed solution to the problem.

We might be looking at an offense that features more 3 to 5 step drops, rollouts, and boots combined with quick outs, slants, as well as short curls and hooks. Reminiscent of the West Coast offense. To do that, you need guys who aren't afraid to catch the ball in traffic, have sure hands, and can take a hit. You also need guys who will block for the other guys, if you want YAC, that is. That may be why we're going through so many receivers ... trying to find players who can dependably fill that role. Possible?

FAX

Makes perfect sense.
I think a team will hold onto solid backup olineman at the expense of a serviceable backup wideout. In a nutshell easier to find wideouts than olineman. A wideout from a small school can do well but usually the ideal size lineman tend to go to name schools. Bigger pool to pick from.

RustShack · 09-17-2009, 08:53 AM

Its an improvement, but not a big one. It could get us by if we had an Oline and running game though.

Skyy God · 09-17-2009, 09:07 AM

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Originally Posted by KnowMo2724

Denver, Arizona, NE, Pittsburgh, Cincinatti, Bills, Indy, SD, Green Bay, Saints.

Coles and Gonzalez? Child please.

**Dave Lane** · 09-17-2009, 09:10 AM

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Originally Posted by RippedmyFlesh

With a fixed oline to be able to actually run down field patterns and the right counterpart at wr he could be a solid 1. The dropoff after bowe here is so great it's almost hard to picture what he would look like in that scenario.

The problem is there is NO fix for the OL you can pick up off the street. Just no upgrade out there. Apparently Runyan was no help but we looked. We traded to Miami to get a RT so they are trying just no help thats an upgrade out there.

Chief Faithful · 09-17-2009, 09:14 AM

I don't remember a coach in the history of the organization that has so much knowledge of and puts so much emphasis on the WR position. Pioli and Haley are making this team one that will be fun to support.

PunkinDrublic · 09-17-2009, 09:15 AM

I'm just happy Haley has set a higher level of expectations for our recievers. Bradley really made a couple of poor attempts to get a first down and now he has Wade breathing down his neck for playing time. So while the talent level isn't there yet the expectations to run better routes and get the first down are.

**cdcox** · 09-17-2009, 09:25 AM

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Originally Posted by FAX

When you stop and think about it, Haley and Pioli may have an interesting offensive personnel strategy playing out here.

Surely, we can assume that both Pioli and Haley realize that our o-line is sub-par and unable to consistently provide sufficient run-blocking to establish a significant rushing threat or (God forbid) pass protection. I have to believe they recognize this problem and would, in an ideal world, prefer to build the offense inside-out.

However, they've been unfortunately unable to either identify, recruit, or acquire (for whatever reason) meaningful upgrades to the line - at least, up to now.

So, instead, they're attempting to dramatically improve the receiver corp. This might make sense. If the line can't be depended upon to allow the QB to consistently take 7 step drops and/or go through all his possible reads, sure-handed receivers who can run quick 5 to 15 yard routes might be a back-handed solution to the problem.

We might be looking at an offense that features more 3 to 5 step drops, rollouts, and boots combined with quick outs, slants, as well as short curls and hooks. Reminiscent of the West Coast offense. To do that, you need guys who aren't afraid to catch the ball in traffic, have sure hands, and can take a hit. You also need guys who will block for the other guys, if you want YAC, that is. That may be why we're going through so many receivers ... trying to find players who can dependably fill that role. Possible?

FAX

I think the right analogy is that the Chiefs offense is house with a leaky roof and a broken HVAc system. We're going to throw some tar paper up on the roof and buy a couple of window fans and make the best of it, while we wait for the repairman to arrive. If the HVAC man shows up before the roofer, we'll at least be cool, but the house won't be in acceptable shape until both problems are fixed.

Chiefs=Champions · 09-17-2009, 09:27 AM

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Originally Posted by KnowMo2724

Denver, Arizona, NE, Pittsburgh, Cincinatti, Bills, Indy, SD, Green Bay, Saints.

SD have two Vincent Jacksons..? Im going to call

on that one... Oh and Pittsburgh? Holmes is great, but Ward is almost done, hes not really talented per say either more so an over achiever if you ask me...

EDIT:

Wait and NO to??? Colston id fantasic but they dont have anyone else greater or equal to Bowe on that roster... Potentially they do, but not yet...

PunkinDrublic · 09-17-2009, 09:31 AM

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Originally Posted by cdcox

I think the right analogy is that the Chiefs offense is house with a leaky roof and a broken HVAc system. We're going to throw some tar paper up on the roof and buy a couple of window fans and make the best of it, while we wait for the repairman to arrive. If the HVAC man shows up before the roofer, we'll at least be cool, but the house won't be in acceptable shape until both problems are fixed.

It's like when your cougar girlfriend gets implants and some surgery. Sure she looks good enough to keep banging for the near future but at some point you're going to want to upgrade.

I like analogies.

RippedmyFlesh · 09-17-2009, 09:41 AM

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Originally Posted by Dave Lane

The problem is there is NO fix for the OL you can pick up off the street. Just no upgrade out there. Apparently Runyan was no help but we looked. We traded to Miami to get a RT so they are trying just no help thats an upgrade out there.

I agree I am looking long term. People think you can just snap your fingers and a good olineman will appear. At this point it's a little late for this year. A $$ free agent in the off season and a draft pick next year is the soonest I see it being fixed.

CoMoChief · 09-17-2009, 09:46 AM

WR's: suck
Oline: Uber suckage
LB: suck
KR/PR Uber suckage

Micjones · 09-17-2009, 10:06 AM

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Originally Posted by I=SUCK

Seriously though, how many teams actually have 2 WRs at Bowes level or better..?

Not many, but shhh... Don't say that too loudly.
People think it's normal to have Fitzgerald AND Boldin AND Breaston.

**Buehler445** · 09-17-2009, 10:08 AM

Mecca, I think you're being overly critical.

There are some teams that have a lot worse WR corps out there now.

Look at the Giants. They're starting two rooks. They may end up better, but right now, I don't think you can say they are better.

The Cowboys have Roy Williams who has been reasonably on par with Bowe, then what? Crayton? I don't remember.

Who the hell does San Fran even have?

Jacksonville doesn't have anyone to get excited about, either does Tennessee.

The Raiders are in pretty much the same boat as NY.

Chicago's leading threat is Dante Hall pt 2.

I think we're on par with Miami, Jets, Seachickens, and there are several other teams, like St Loser, Cleveland, and Redskins (though I imagine that the redskins have a solid lineup) that I have no clue what they're fielding.

I think it is fair to say that our squad is average. How the **** long have we waited for an average group.

But the point is the progress we've made without dropping huge money and high draft picks (yes I know Bowe was a #1, but the OP makes the comparison to last year) is pretty ****ing solid. These guys aren't going to set records, but they are a significant improvement from last year.
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Micjones · 09-17-2009, 10:09 AM

The Chiefs WR corps is drastically improved over 1 year ago.
If Bradley can stay healthy... You've got your #2. A very productive #2.

**Buehler445** · 09-17-2009, 10:16 AM

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Originally Posted by Micjones

The Chiefs WR corps is drastically improved over 1 year ago.
If Bradley can stay healthy... You've got your #2. A very productive #2.

Did he miss any games last year after we picked him up?
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09-17-2009, 02:11 AM
Direckshun __ Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: Springpatch Casino cash: $2033447	Hard not to like the improvement in WRs... What was our depth chart at this time last year? Can we go back that far? Now we've got a legit stud (Bowe), two players with good-to-great ability (Bradley & Wade), an uber-experienced vet (Engram), and a young athlete who needs a ton of refining (Lawrence). This corps goes from good to brilliant if we find someway to add another stud -- not even a stud, just a really reliably good, game-in-game-out compliment to Bowe.
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09-17-2009, 08:53 AM	#32
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09-17-2009, 09:14 AM	#35
Chief Faithful Predicting Chiefs Victory Join Date: Sep 2001 Casino cash: $9966500	I don't remember a coach in the history of the organization that has so much knowledge of and puts so much emphasis on the WR position. Pioli and Haley are making this team one that will be fun to support.
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09-17-2009, 09:15 AM	#36
PunkinDrublic Stay down bitch! Join Date: Jun 2001 Location: Plano, TX Casino cash: $4350670	I'm just happy Haley has set a higher level of expectations for our recievers. Bradley really made a couple of poor attempts to get a first down and now he has Wade breathing down his neck for playing time. So while the talent level isn't there yet the expectations to run better routes and get the first down are. __________________ Disappointing my parents since 1976
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09-17-2009, 09:46 AM	#41
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09-17-2009, 10:08 AM	#43
Buehler445 Supporter Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Scott City KS Casino cash: $-1555266	Mecca, I think you're being overly critical. There are some teams that have a lot worse WR corps out there now. Look at the Giants. They're starting two rooks. They may end up better, but right now, I don't think you can say they are better. The Cowboys have Roy Williams who has been reasonably on par with Bowe, then what? Crayton? I don't remember. Who the hell does San Fran even have? Jacksonville doesn't have anyone to get excited about, either does Tennessee. The Raiders are in pretty much the same boat as NY. Chicago's leading threat is Dante Hall pt 2. I think we're on par with Miami, Jets, Seachickens, and there are several other teams, like St Loser, Cleveland, and Redskins (though I imagine that the redskins have a solid lineup) that I have no clue what they're fielding. I think it is fair to say that our squad is average. How the ** long have we waited for an average group. But the point is the progress we've made without dropping huge money and high draft picks (yes I know Bowe was a #1, but the OP makes the comparison to last year) is pretty *ing solid. These guys aren't going to set records, but they are a significant improvement from last year. Posted via Mobile Device*
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09-17-2009, 10:09 AM	#44
Micjones Whose house? Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: KCMO Casino cash: $10005180	The Chiefs WR corps is drastically improved over 1 year ago. If Bradley can stay healthy... You've got your #2. A very productive #2. __________________ It's like when I'm right I'm right, when I'm wrong I could been right, so I'm still right cause I coulda been wrong.
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