Haley 12/30 presser

[DaneMcCloud]

Originally Posted by TheGuardian

Not really. He was hired late and the FA pool was shit to say the least. Again I have always believed every first year guy gets a mulligan. If shit starts repeating itself, then we have a problem.

I don't really buy the "hired late" excuse.

Do you really think that if he'd been hired a couple of weeks sooner, he'd have put together a more competent staff?

I don't. Those guys had all worked together in various places. They're his boys.

As for free agency, the Chiefs really didn't make an effort. And their draft proved that they either were willing to ignore their glaring needs or were unaware of their glaring needs.

We as fans don't have a choice as to whether or not Haley deserves a mulligan but I for one hope that if he's given a chance to return, it's not Frank Gansz circa 1988 all over again.

[TheGuardian]

Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud

I don't really buy the "hired late" excuse.

Do you really think that if he'd been hired a couple of weeks sooner, he'd have put together a more competent staff? I don't.

As for free agency, the Chiefs really didn't make an effort. And their draft proved that they either were willing to ignore their glaring needs or were unaware of their glaring needs.

We as fans don't have a choice as to whether or not Haley deserves a mulligan but I for one hope that if he's given a chance to return, it's not Frank Gansz circa 1988 all over again.

I think you'll see a big turnover in coaching staff and a OC hired. I think that alone will help a lot. Add in some WR's in FA and linebackers/safety and this team could easily go .500 next season or better.

[DeezNutz]

Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud

I don't really buy the "hired late" excuse.

He's the most expensive GM in the league, assuming the reports are true.

Thus, why shouldn't he live up to his contract, just as some have expressed regarding Cassel?

Why should the Executive of the Century need a mulligan?

[stevieray]

waaaaaaaaaaambulance

[DeezNutz]

Originally Posted by stevieray

waaaaaaaaaaambulance

Would you like to contribute to the discussion in a substantive way? Offer a counter-argument and support it with evidence?

[kcxiv]

Originally Posted by DeezNutz

Would you like to contribute to the discussion in a substantive way? Offer a counter-argument and support it with evidence?

he used to, he gave that up a long time ago. He would get so upset he would delete his account and leave for a bit. lol

Now he just throws in 1 worders. lol There are some threads i want to post in, but then i think about what i am going to say and go, its not worth it. People are going to be bitchy because thats who they are. You will not change it, so why even argue with it.

Just like a political or religious debate. No one wins, sometimes its good to read, but still no one wins.

[stevieray]

Originally Posted by DeezNutz

Would you like to contribute to the discussion in a substantive way? Offer a counter-argument and support it with evidence?

substantive discussion? like golf smack?

what a load of crap...realistic people didn't expect much this season..realistic people know that they gotta hit big this draft and next season to have a hope of retaining the already dwindling fanbase.

counter argument?...what you want the Chiefs to do and what the Chiefs will do will ALWAYS be two different things. the fact that you guys come here almost every single day repeating the same negative crap doesn't prove shit, other than you appear to not handle adversity very well.

I wonder if this the only area where you spend so much energy on something you absolutley have no control over.

[DeezNutz]

Originally Posted by stevieray

substantive discussion? like golf smack?

what a load of crap...realistic people didn't expect much this season..realistic people know that they gotta hit big this draft and next season to have a hope of retaining the already dwindling fanbase.

counter argument?...what you want the Chiefs to do and what the Chiefs will do will ALWAYS be two different things. the fact that you guys come here almost every single day repeating the same negative crap doesn't prove shit, other than you appear to not handle adversity very well.

I wonder if this the only area where you spend so much energy on something you absolutley have no control over.

What's a load of crap? Asking someone to contribute in a substantive manner? Ok.

Golf smack? I assume you're alluding to Dane, but I'd say he's offered a bit more in this very thread.

Yes, a counter-argument. It makes no difference whether or not the talk here ends up being rather meaningless in the big scheme of things. It's a venue to talk sports and think critically. Stress on the latter.

The negativity seems to be the big issue here. Sorry, but this has been, arguably, the single worst organization in the NFL for several years now. The "big get" from last year has been woeful. So there's not too much to smile about.

Regarding things I have no-limited control over: I'm pretty interested in politics, history, and the weather.

[stevieray]

Originally Posted by DeezNutz

What's a load of crap? Asking someone to contribute in a substantive manner? Ok.

Golf smack? I assume you're alluding to Dane, but I'd say he's offered a bit more in this very thread.

Yes, a counter-argument. It makes no difference whether or not the talk here ends up being rather meaningless in the big scheme of things. It's a venue to talk sports and think critically. Stress on the latter.

The negativity seems to be the big issue here. Sorry, but this has been, arguably, the single worst organization in the NFL for several years now. The "big get" from last year has been woeful. So there's not too much to smile about.

uhuh...the same arguments go round and round...most of the time anyone tries to find a positive, it gets assaulted... look no further than braincase's thread.

...critical thinking doesn't involve cutting down the HC, the GM and owner on a personal level.

if you don't think they are worth a shit and continue to hang around, that's on you.

[kcxiv]

lol, its like saying, ok, so NBC fired Ben Silverman and the next guy is going to turn it around fast. ya, thats not happening. Though NBC does hold my favorite TV show. lol

[kcxiv]

Everything that needs to be said has been said thousands of times over. WE all know we suck. People want this guy gone, and if you dont agree, your blind, or if your Dane, you just curse at everyone under the sun and tell them they are idiots.

Chiefs suck, we have a losing culture around here for a few years now. Previous regime killed this franchise. He built it back up and killed it before he left. Now a first year coach and a first year GM are trying to rebuild Rome in less then a year. Not happening.

Even if they arent successful as a duo, whoever it was that was going to be brought in here was going to struggle and struggle bad. Its not like they were going to adapt their scheme to the players. There was no reason for that this year. We ****ing have little to no talent in alot of area's. I am ok with them wanting and forcing their way here right now. Let me see what they can do when they can get most of their guys that have some talent in the right spots.

It looks like complete ass right now. No one is saying its not, but everyone pretty much expected a shitty team from the beginning of the year. We have improved in some area's. Offensive line has improved running game has improved. Their hands may have been forced a little bit, but so what. I hope there is a few more things they are forced into and work out better for the team.

[FAX]

If you study the league, you'll find that many of the most historically successful franchises are the ones with continuity at HC and front office leadership. Being hired late isn't an excuse ... it's a fact. Besides, that isn't the point. The point is that this organization has drafted very poorly for the last 20 years ... since DT, actually.

The sad fact is that it will take time to build this team into a winner. Haley hasn't had the time and, as a rookie, it will be exponentially more difficult for him. I say we dial down the hate and give the guy some time. He's pretty well respected in the league and there's a reason for it. His goal has been publicly and repeatedly stated; he wants to build a team that competes for the playoffs and the Super Bowl year in and year out. Frankly, that should be pretty exciting for fans. Of course, to get there will entail pain and lots of it, but I'd much rather have a guy like Haley than any other coach we've had since Marty. We know what he wants to do ... let's sit back and see if he can actually do it.

We need a solid playmaker or two on both sides of the ball, either develop Cassel or find somebody else, and fill in with role players who can execute consistently. That's really about it and shouldn't be terribly difficult to accomplish ... but it can't be done in one season.

FAX

[OnTheWarpath15]

Originally Posted by FAX

If you study the league, you'll find that many of the most historically successful franchises are the ones with continuity at HC and front office leadership. Being hired late isn't an excuse ... it's a fact. Besides, that isn't the point. The point is that this organization has drafted very poorly for the last 20 years ... since DT, actually.

The sad fact is that it will take time to build this team into a winner. Haley hasn't had the time and, as a rookie, it will be exponentially more difficult for him. I say we dial down the hate and give the guy some time. He's pretty well respected in the league and there's a reason for it. His goal has been publicly and repeatedly stated; he wants to build a team that competes for the playoffs and the Super Bowl year in and year out. Frankly, that should be pretty exciting for fans. Of course, to get there will entail pain and lots of it, but I'd much rather have a guy like Haley than any other coach we've had since Marty. We know what he wants to do ... let's sit back and see if he can actually do it.

We need a solid playmaker or two on both sides of the ball, either develop Cassel or find somebody else, and fill in with role players who can execute consistently. That's really about it and shouldn't be terribly difficult to accomplish ... but it can't be done in one season.

FAX

With all due respect, Mr. FAX, NO ONE was expecting this to be turned around in one season.

NO ONE.

But progress was expected, and we're not seeing it - even after Pioli/Haley brought in 45+ new players, over half of whom are starters.

I don't care if Haley had been hired in May, it's nearly impossible in the NFL to bring in this many players and have only one of them make any impact, or even be an upgrade over the player they replaced. (Chambers)

It took LJ mouthing off to have anything to look forward to in 2010.

That isn't rebuilding.

[Just Passin' By]

Originally Posted by OnTheWarpath58

With all due respect, Mr. FAX, NO ONE was expecting this to be turned around in one season.

NO ONE.

But progress was expected, and we're not seeing it - even after Pioli/Haley brought in 45+ new players, over half of whom are starters.

I don't care if Haley had been hired in May, it's nearly impossible in the NFL to bring in this many players and have only one of them make any impact, or even be an upgrade over the player they replaced. (Chambers)

It took LJ mouthing off to have anything to look forward to in 2010.

That isn't rebuilding.

Progress has been obvious to anyone who's bothered to look.

[OnTheWarpath15]

Originally Posted by Just Passin' By

Progress has been obvious to anyone who's bothered to look.

Please, Mr. Pioli ball-washer, tell us about progress.

First number is 2009.


Points per game: 16.7, 18.2

Points against per game: 26.7, 27.5

Total yards per game: 288, 308

Total yards against per game: 380, 393

Passing yards per game: 181, 195

Passing yards against per game: 219, 234

Rushing yards per game: 107, 113

Rushing yards against per game: 161, 158


Progress my ass.