Chiefs Haley 12/30 presser

**OnTheWarpath15** · 12-31-2009, 04:17 PM

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Originally Posted by FAX

If you study the league, you'll find that many of the most historically successful franchises are the ones with continuity at HC and front office leadership. Being hired late isn't an excuse ... it's a fact. Besides, that isn't the point. The point is that this organization has drafted very poorly for the last 20 years ... since DT, actually.

The sad fact is that it will take time to build this team into a winner. Haley hasn't had the time and, as a rookie, it will be exponentially more difficult for him. I say we dial down the hate and give the guy some time. He's pretty well respected in the league and there's a reason for it. His goal has been publicly and repeatedly stated; he wants to build a team that competes for the playoffs and the Super Bowl year in and year out. Frankly, that should be pretty exciting for fans. Of course, to get there will entail pain and lots of it, but I'd much rather have a guy like Haley than any other coach we've had since Marty. We know what he wants to do ... let's sit back and see if he can actually do it.

We need a solid playmaker or two on both sides of the ball, either develop Cassel or find somebody else, and fill in with role players who can execute consistently. That's really about it and shouldn't be terribly difficult to accomplish ... but it can't be done in one season.

FAX

With all due respect, Mr. FAX, NO ONE was expecting this to be turned around in one season.

NO ONE.

But progress was expected, and we're not seeing it - even after Pioli/Haley brought in 45+ new players, over half of whom are starters.

I don't care if Haley had been hired in May, it's nearly impossible in the NFL to bring in this many players and have only one of them make any impact, or even be an upgrade over the player they replaced. (Chambers)

It took LJ mouthing off to have anything to look forward to in 2010.

That isn't rebuilding.

Just Passin' By · 12-31-2009, 04:28 PM

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Originally Posted by OnTheWarpath58

With all due respect, Mr. FAX, NO ONE was expecting this to be turned around in one season.

NO ONE.

But progress was expected, and we're not seeing it - even after Pioli/Haley brought in 45+ new players, over half of whom are starters.

I don't care if Haley had been hired in May, it's nearly impossible in the NFL to bring in this many players and have only one of them make any impact, or even be an upgrade over the player they replaced. (Chambers)

It took LJ mouthing off to have anything to look forward to in 2010.

That isn't rebuilding.

Progress has been obvious to anyone who's bothered to look.

**OnTheWarpath15** · 12-31-2009, 04:48 PM

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Originally Posted by Just Passin' By

Progress has been obvious to anyone who's bothered to look.

Please, Mr. Pioli ball-washer, tell us about progress.

First number is 2009.

Points per game: 16.7, 18.2

Points against per game: 26.7, 27.5

Total yards per game: 288, 308

Total yards against per game: 380, 393

Passing yards per game: 181, 195

Passing yards against per game: 219, 234

Rushing yards per game: 107, 113

Rushing yards against per game: 161, 158

Progress my ass.

**DeezNutz** · 12-31-2009, 04:50 PM

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Originally Posted by OnTheWarpath58

Please, Mr. Pioli ball-washer, tell us about progress.

First number is 2009.

Points per game: 16.7, 18.2

Points against per game: 26.7, 27.5

Total yards per game: 288, 308

Total yards against per game: 380, 393

Passing yards per game: 181, 195

Passing yards against per game: 219, 234

Rushing yards per game: 107, 113

Rushing yards against per game: 161, 158

Progress my ass.

It's a process.

**OnTheWarpath15** · 12-31-2009, 04:59 PM

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Originally Posted by DeezNutz

It's a process.

And FWIW, they played an easier schedule this year compared to last year.

.535 > .520

**DeezNutz** · 12-31-2009, 05:03 PM

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Originally Posted by OnTheWarpath58

And FWIW, they played an easier schedule this year compared to last year.

.535 > .520

The statistics are damning and paint a very depressing picture.

Amazing that finding the positives is arduous work.

**HemiEd** · 12-31-2009, 05:18 PM

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Originally Posted by DeezNutz

The statistics are damning and paint a very depressing picture.

Amazing that find the positives is arduous work.

I heard Haley do a Herm quote during the last press conference. How many games were lost by 7 points or less?

I hate hearing that from either one of them, but I clearly feel this team is headed in a better direction than it was a year ago.

Just Passin' By · 12-31-2009, 05:24 PM

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Originally Posted by OnTheWarpath58

Please, Mr. Pioli ball-washer, tell us about progress.

First number is 2009.

Points per game: 16.7, 18.2

Points against per game: 26.7, 27.5

Total yards per game: 288, 308

Total yards against per game: 380, 393

Passing yards per game: 181, 195

Passing yards against per game: 219, 234

Rushing yards per game: 107, 113

Rushing yards against per game: 161, 158

Progress my ass.

Sure, I'll be happy to.

Better play from the LT, and the RT
Better running game
Better work at wideout when they are all together
Better play from the DEs
Better play from some of the linebackers

That's progress. You people who think that having a car with 53 parts, 45+ of which are broken, and upgrading 5-10 of those broken parts while trying to tread water with the rest is going to suddenly make the car run first in NASCAR races are just being ridiculous. I noted early on that the progress might not show up in wins:

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Evaluating this team based upon wins and losses, or your perception of 'suck' is exactly what you don't do with a team this bad. This team will need to be evaluated based upon progress towards EVENTUAL consistently competitive teams, or the lack thereof....

...Pioli walked into a situation with a team that had only one core talent under the age of 30, and that player has only had one season. This team had a 30+ tight end and a 30- left tackle, and that's it. No other player on this team had cemented himself as the kind of high end talent that you want on Super Bowl contenders, especially at the core positions (middle of the field on defense, QB, LT, RB, #1 WR on offense). Even if you were to stretch and toss Bowe in that group (and I could easily be convinced to add him to the mix if he would just show improvement on his drop issue), that's still only two on the entire team.

http://www.chiefsplanet.com/BB/showt...ns#post5808969

The problem with you, and so many of the other complainers, is that you don't think about the overall scope of the problem, and you focus your bitching on things that are contingent upon improvements elsewhere. There was no way that the team was going to be able to fix every problem in 1 or 2 seasons, yet the bitching has been almost non-stop.

**OnTheWarpath15** · 12-31-2009, 05:56 PM

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Originally Posted by Just Passin' By

Sure, I'll be happy to.

Better play from the LT, and the RT
Better running game
Better work at wideout when they are all together
Better play from the DEs
Better play from some of the linebackers

With the exception of Dorsey, every single thing you posted is bullshit.

Albert has regressed, O'Callaghan is no better than McIntosh.

The running game is not better, as shown in the stats. We're averaging 6 fewer yards.

Bowe has regressed severely, and Wade is no upgrade. Chambers, as I've said, is.

Dorsey seems to be growing into his new role, but Jackson looks abysmal, and the yards allowed numbers show the weakness of this team is the front 7.

Which leads to the LB's, who have been ****ing pathetic. Hali has shown he can rush the passer standing upright, but is still a huge liability against the run, just like the other 3.

But please, keep sucking off the Executive of the Decade.

Just Passin' By · 12-31-2009, 06:04 PM

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Originally Posted by OnTheWarpath58

With the exception of Dorsey, every single thing you posted is bullshit.

Albert has regressed, O'Callaghan is no better than McIntosh.

The running game is not better, as shown in the stats. We're averaging 6 fewer yards.

Bowe has regressed severely, and Wade is no upgrade. Chambers, as I've said, is.

Dorsey seems to be growing into his new role, but Jackson looks abysmal, and the yards allowed numbers show the weakness of this team is the front 7.

Which leads to the LB's, who have been ****ing pathetic. Hali has shown he can rush the passer standing upright, but is still a huge liability against the run, just like the other 3.

But please, keep sucking off the Executive of the Decade.

Was Johnson running better than his replacement?
Are you claiming Albert is playing worse now that at the beginning of the year?
You're seriously claiming that McIntosh was playing as well as O'Callaghan?
Is the receiving corps as currently constituted a lesser group than what began the year?
You concede Dorsey and then make that idiotic statement about yards allowed as if it means something?
You think that Hali hasn't improved over the course of the season?

Thanks for showing just how much of an idiot you are.

**HemiEd** · 12-31-2009, 06:07 PM

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Originally Posted by OnTheWarpath58

With the exception of Dorsey, every single thing you posted is bullshit.

Albert has regressed, is no better than McIntosh.

The running game is not better, as shown in the stats. We're averaging 6 fewer yards.

Bowe has regressed severely, and Wade is no upgrade. Chambers, as I've said, is.

Dorsey seems to be growing into his new role, but Jackson looks abysmal, and the yards allowed numbers show the weakness of this team is the front 7.

Which leads to the LB's, who have been ****ing pathetic. Hali has shown he can rush the passer standing upright, but is still a huge liability against the run, just like the other 3.

But please, keep sucking off the Executive of the Decade.

Albert and O'Callaghan are improving, and on the upswing. You know Albert has had to change in order to improve, and he is doing it. The whole offensive line has improved dramatically.

The running game is dramatically on the upswing, surely you see that. I don't give a **** what any numbers may say for the whole year, **** that.

Bowe missed four games from breaking the rules, sorry, it is what it is. I am thinking he will be a TE hybrid slot guy next year. Too bad he doesn't have
Tony to take the heat off of him anymore.

**DeezNutz** · 12-31-2009, 06:29 PM

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Originally Posted by HemiEd

The running game is dramatically on the upswing, surely you see that. I don't give a **** what any numbers may say for the whole year, **** that.
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It's absolutely improving. So why did we waste so much time with Mr. 2.7 YPC?

Many on this board were saying that it was clear that LJ was NOT the best back in the pre-season. For example, milkman said this multiple times--so did OTW and myself, but, alas...

I don't want to hear about fumbles, since they're still a concern with Charles. What we're seeing is that what he brings to the game far outweighs his negatives.

Too bad Haley wasn't able to see this sooner.

milkman for HC.

FAX · 12-31-2009, 04:37 PM

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Originally Posted by OnTheWarpath58

With all due respect, Mr. FAX, NO ONE was expecting this to be turned around in one season.

NO ONE.

But progress was expected, and we're not seeing it - even after Pioli/Haley brought in 45+ new players, over half of whom are starters.

I don't care if Haley had been hired in May, it's nearly impossible in the NFL to bring in this many players and have only one of them make any impact, or even be an upgrade over the player they replaced. (Chambers)

It took LJ mouthing off to have anything to look forward to in 2010.

That isn't rebuilding.

I guess we'll just have to disagree on this, Mr. OnTheWarpath58, because I see it very differently.

Frankly, it was almost miraculous to get three wins out of this team, in my opinion. We barely won that many in the last two years combined. Plus, we fielded an entirely new defensive scheme this year and featured a quarterback who is about as accurate as a blind, one-legged monkey with Tourette's and a hangover.

As for Charles, it's no different than hundreds of other players throughout the league ... sometimes, when a guy gets his chance, he makes the most of it. I see his development as a positive ... not a negative.

People have the right to like or dislike Haley and I don't presume to try and change people's minds about him. But, as his self-appointed apologist and a homer of the first order, I do feel it's necessary to chime in with an alternate point of view on occasion.

FAX